rharshberger
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Well, why not South Korea had a surface to surface version of the Nike Hercules the NHK-1.They must be running out of the good surface-to-surface missiles.
Well, why not South Korea had a surface to surface version of the Nike Hercules the NHK-1.They must be running out of the good surface-to-surface missiles.
Well, why not South Korea had a surface to surface version of the Nike Hercules the NHK-1.
Yes it is interesting on all the posts that jumped to the conclusion that it was a Russian missile. Lessons learned here.It seems the final word is that the missiles that landed in Poland were most likely air defense missiles fired by Ukraine that missed their targets.
Speaking as a leaper to conclusions, it does point to needing to take initial media reports with a much larger grain of salt. In defense of the leapers, the initial media reports did heavily imply if not outright state that the missile was Russian. The direction of the initial media reports were accompanied by enough "confirming information" (various local leaders saying it was a Russian attack, Russian ambassador summoned to the Polish Foreign Ministry, etc.) that it might seem reasonable to assume that the missile was from Russia. Again, lesson learned about grains of salt, at least until 12-24 hours has passed.Yes it is interesting on all the posts that jumped to the conclusion that it was a Russian missile. Lessons learned here.
I am probably the biggest offender, I sometimes leap to conclusion before the event happened.Speaking as a leaper to conclusions, it does point to needing to take initial media reports with a much larger grain of salt. In defense of the leapers, the initial media reports did heavily imply if not outright state that the missile was Russian. The direction of the initial media reports were accompanied by enough "confirming information" (various local leaders saying it was a Russian attack, Russian ambassador summoned to the Polish Foreign Ministry, etc.) that it might seem reasonable to assume that the missile was from Russia. Again, lesson learned about grains of salt, at least until 12-24 hours has passed.
It was also interesting (and frustrating) to see a dozen different "experts" conclusively identifying the parts/debris as being from half a dozen different missiles.
Odds are there was a airborne Rivet Joint aircraft and AWACS aircraft and just about anything flying was recorded, by doing a "playback" of the information it is highly likely that the origin/launch position and therefore the respondsible party is known to the powers that be.I am probably the biggest offender, I sometimes leap to conclusion before the event happened.
Edit: Of the four parties, Duda and Zelinsky leaped first, Russia may have been telling the truth this time, and the Biden administration was the most correctly cautious, perhaps they knew.
Thats exactly what happened. See my post about five posts up.Odds are there was a airborne Rivet Joint aircraft and AWACS aircraft and just about anything flying was recorded, by doing a "playback" of the information it is highly likely that the origin/launch position and therefore the respondsible party is known to the powers that be.
True 'dat.Yes it is interesting on all the posts that jumped to the conclusion that it was a Russian missile. Lessons learned here.
True 'dat.
Initial reports suggested two missile impacts, which turned out to be inaccurate.
When some civilian target goes "boom" in and around Ukraine, the two usual suspects come to mind:
I don't believe #1 was at sea the other night, so we defaulted to #2.
- Liechtenstein navy
- Russian military
Admittedly, we underestimated the probability of it being #3 - Ukraine firing AA missiles to defend against #1 or #2.
It looks like it was #3 in the end.
Next time around, I will very likely be biased to blame #1 or #2, again.
Easy to tell them apart. One has two sailors on a dinghy, the other has only one.I think you mean the Luxembourg Navy. Although I believe they'd appreciate being mistaken for the Liechtenstein Navy. The more confusion the less likely they are to be found out.
I joined Wrong Planet, a long time ago. I wasn’t really in a good spot at the time and felt really isolated, but I got some badly needed help/encouragement on there and moved on. Didn’t linger.One of the moderators on an autism forum named Wrong Planet lives in Poland.
And I think not overly far from the border.
I'm going with what she says here,
and going no further.
https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&p=9175376#p9175376
I would guess that the official public response will be that it was a terrible accident and it's all Russia's fault for firing the missiles near the border anyway. I've been wrong a fair amount in the last 24 hours on this topic, but I don't think I'm very far out on a limb here. There may be an additional private message to Zelenskyy to get his facts in order before blaming Russia to spare everyone the embarrassment of having to walk it back. I would be very surprised if anyone tries to get compensation out of Russia for the incident. A) Russia will just blow it off and b) it's a challenge to prove that these particular people died because of Russia's action. If Ukraine had not fired SAMs in self-defense, nobody would have been killed.Well now that the missile was confirmed both accidental and Ukrainian, I wonder what the ultimate response will be. Currently I’m betting that it’ll be a friendly request to please be more careful and maybe pay a nominal sum for cleanup after the war. Or maybe punitive actions will be directed towards Russia instead.
Well now that the missile was confirmed both accidental and Ukrainian, I wonder what the ultimate response will be.
An observation making the rounds is that the coordinates of the Przewodów, Poland site happen to be the latitude of Kyiv ( 50.45 N) and the longitude of Lviv (20.031 E). The implication being that a Russian missile was somehow programmed with transposed target coordinates. This kind of speculation that happens when there is no exculpatory evidence coming from the official sources. I get why, but it is vexing nonetheless.
True that.This kind of speculation happens when there is no exculpatory evidence coming from the official sources. I get why, but it is vexing nonetheless.
The video mentioned the possibility of a Russian false flag operation.An update on the Nord Stream pipeline.
Man, those two conniving axes-of-L's countries got the best of me.I think you mean the Luxembourg Navy. Although I believe they'd appreciate being mistaken for the Liechtenstein Navy. The more confusion the less likely they are to be found out.When some civilian target goes "boom" in and around Ukraine, the two usual suspects come to mind:
- Liechtenstein navy
- Russian military
No. You'll note Poland discussed Article 4, which you will further recall was already invoked in February when Бункерный дед invaded.Has Zelensky seriously offended NATO and the US by falsely claiming Russia attacked Poland and calling for an Article 5 escalation to full-on WW3 with Russia? Who is really in charge of this war, him, the US, or someone else like General Cluster and Major Disaster?
I don’t believe that is the current claim. The most notable, relevant quote from him that I found related to the spillover was:Has Zelensky seriously offended NATO and the US by falsely claiming Russia attacked Poland
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