That's just plain bonkers! I wonder if any other vehicles suffer from this idiocy?
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That's just plain bonkers! I wonder if any other vehicles suffer from this idiocy?
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DeLorean had similar issues. The story I heard was that the door locks were electronic. Battery dead, can't unlock the door and then cannot release the hood to get to the battery.
Also for safety the door locks would unlock if a collision was detected. Burglars would rap the front bumper with a rubber mallet and the doors would unlock.
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That particular one is a concept, so sure. I don't know what you're telling me here. Maybe you care to explain, but I'm fine either way.
I watched the video half asleep and all I remember is something about something that basically never happens is difficult to repair or something. I guess it's a big deal for James May and whoever enjoys the dramatic background music, but I'll be ok.
Incidentally, after 100 years of the entire car industry using 12V batteries, Tesla is setting up to introduce 48V systems instead (maybe still a few years away). One reason for this is that a 48V system needs 1/4 of the copper. Less copper means more savings for Tesla and/or customers, and a simpler supply chain.
Electric Mack:
https://www.macktrucks.com/trucks/md-electric/
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Running a diesel generator to charge a battery power hummer on a battle field is silly. Jut put the JP fuel directly in an ICE hummer.
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While there are some weirdnesses with charging systems, there's also a lot of advantages to having a vehicle that can be near silent at low speeds, until tire noise starts showing up. The engine noise can happen back at base rather than out in the field. On top of that, one genset can charge a few vehicles, reducing the total number of engines to maintain.
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Good arguments for a diesel-battery series hybrid.
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I expect that will be one of the thoughts in mind as the Army is conducting whatever reviews it's doing.
Also, reading over the original article linked in here, it's not clear whether the Army actually asked for this vehicle or not. It might just be a concept vehicle that they use to generate traffic at defense trade shows. That said, the current conflict in Ukraine has shown that there's a lot of demand for a relatively cheap vehicle that carries outsized-power weapons. Stuff like TOW missiles on glorified dune buggies, for example. The Hummer is a lot more expensive than a dune buggy, but it could also carry heavier weapons too. It's at least theoretically possible that the extra weight of batteries on an electric version might be beneficial in terms of overall vehicle stability.
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and this popped up in my news feed today..
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ev-regulations-inflation-reduction-act-analysis-1.6894282
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ev-regulations-inflation-reduction-act-analysis-1.6894282
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Specs for the GM defence vehicle (from the article):
- seating for upwards of six passengers
- Silent Watch mode with low acoustic and thermal signatures
- Silent Drive mode with low acoustic and thermal signatures
- high dash speeds thanks to instant torque
- substantial exportable power for mission critical equipment
- 200+ kWh battery pack
- three-motor propulsion
- 1,000 horsepower
- over 300 miles range
- optional on-board 12 kW diesel-powered generator to recharge
- can be DC quick-charged source with 100 miles of range in just 12 minutes
I don’t know any other vehicle with those specs so I don’t see a problem with having new options like this.
- seating for upwards of six passengers
- Silent Watch mode with low acoustic and thermal signatures
- Silent Drive mode with low acoustic and thermal signatures
- high dash speeds thanks to instant torque
- substantial exportable power for mission critical equipment
- 200+ kWh battery pack
- three-motor propulsion
- 1,000 horsepower
- over 300 miles range
- optional on-board 12 kW diesel-powered generator to recharge
- can be DC quick-charged source with 100 miles of range in just 12 minutes
I don’t know any other vehicle with those specs so I don’t see a problem with having new options like this.
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I want to buy an EV. I have test driver them. I have researched them. I am going with a hybrid or gas vehicle.
I have researched them a lot. Charging is one issue. You can charge most with a level 3 charger in 40-45 minutes. That is a stop for a meal, but the problem is that chargers can be hard to find in my neck of the woods. I would have to buy a second vehicle for for longer trips. That defeats the purpose.
The second issue is cost. A Ford Lightning or Mach-E costs 75-100K. I can buy a Ford F-150 or Ford Escape for about 40-50k. You can buy a lot of gas for 25-60K. For me, that will pay for my gas for 10-20 years.
They need to bring the price down and increase the range before the average user buys one.
I have researched them a lot. Charging is one issue. You can charge most with a level 3 charger in 40-45 minutes. That is a stop for a meal, but the problem is that chargers can be hard to find in my neck of the woods. I would have to buy a second vehicle for for longer trips. That defeats the purpose.
The second issue is cost. A Ford Lightning or Mach-E costs 75-100K. I can buy a Ford F-150 or Ford Escape for about 40-50k. You can buy a lot of gas for 25-60K. For me, that will pay for my gas for 10-20 years.
They need to bring the price down and increase the range before the average user buys one.
Where I go you aren't going to find any chargers. Occasionally you might find a convenience store with an extension cord.
I seem to watch a lot of youtube- one of the channels I was watching was testing an EV. They had trouble finding chargers, and of the ones they found most of them were not working, and they one they found that they thought was working they couldn't get the app to make it work for their car. This was in Denver.
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An EV isn't going to be the right choice for everyone. I don't think anyone is suggesting otherwise.
But, in my case, I never have any problem finding a charger. It is right there in my driveway.
I didn't even think about it when deciding to buy the car, but the best thing about it turned out to be not having to stop at a gas station. It is really nice to have the equivalent of a full tank every time you get in the car.
My EV cost $14,000 and was, back when I was driving to work every weekday, saving me about $100 a month in fuel costs So, the price wasn't really much of an issue.
But, in my case, I never have any problem finding a charger. It is right there in my driveway.
I didn't even think about it when deciding to buy the car, but the best thing about it turned out to be not having to stop at a gas station. It is really nice to have the equivalent of a full tank every time you get in the car.
My EV cost $14,000 and was, back when I was driving to work every weekday, saving me about $100 a month in fuel costs So, the price wasn't really much of an issue.
What ev cast $14K?
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So, chargers are first installed where they will be used the most of course. I don't have the numbers they use to determine this, but I can say installation is by no means close to being finished.
As for cost, I'd much prefer myself to spend $15k+ or more on a battery than on gasoline, because the battery is an asset with a resale value, while gasoline is an unrecoverable expense. The cold way to put this, and what convinces me, is that spending on gasoline is literally burning money away. But even if a battery's degradation isn't perfectly known, it's at least worth it's weight in minerals. Recyclers are eagerly expecting and waiting for a wave of dead batteries, but it hasn't come yet. 2012 Teslas are still running at 80-85% original battery capacity.
I never understood why they couldn't maintain their chargers but the biggest news in EV land lately is that just about every future car will be compatible with Tesla's network shortly. Tesla has a near perfect reliability score, so I'll be glad to see the neglected networks disspear into oblivion.
I would suggest that no one needs their energy to be from a specific source, that electric powerdrives can be designed for all cases, and whatever is not yet on the market can be built in a few years. So I'll be the one to suggest there is an EV for everyone. I like finding out about specific cases that aren't addressed yet, and to think about ways to solve it.
Yeah, that changes your whole outlook on how many public chargers are actually needed, and how much range a car needs.
About what I paid for my second hand PHEV. Now saving up to buy 100% EV when comes time to change again.
Good news from Rivian. Landrover league, but a trendsetter for the future.
https://www.reuters.com/business/au...ers-12640-vehicles-second-quarter-2023-07-03/
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I’ve looked into an EV but at this point in time there are way too many compromises for me. I don’t like going backwards.
My wife and I take a lot of trips and charging stations are few and far between here and where we like to go. The notion of having to spend time routing the trip around charging stations is simply too regressive for me.
While the concept of charging at home has an appeal, the reality is that I live in a condominium community and the prospects of home charging is virtually nil. Our association looked into the cost of installing sufficient charging but the cost was ridiculous.
On top of that we historically have some of lowest gasoline/diesel costs in the country making any savings in fuel negligible when compared to the hassle.
Perhaps time will change the equation for me . . . perhaps not.
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The government will change the equation for you.
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So buy now and avoid it.
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I bought a 2015 BMW i3 a few years ago. I really love it. It is quite unique and perfectly designed for driving around town.
I had been considering getting a late model Honda Fit. But for just a little bit more, I was able to buy the BMW.
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That's used car pricing, then?
BTW, $14K for an i3 is a steal. Is that with REX or without?
Yours has the original 60 Ah or 22 kWh battery, with 86 mile range when new?
How many miles on it? How is the battery capacity / range degradation?
I know what you mean - I leased one when it was knew back when. It was the first and likely only mass-market car with CF chassis. Absolutely insane engineering, and BMW was rumored to be loosing ~$20K on each car they sold (partially recouped with EV credits).
It was an awesome town car, but went through rear (super-skinny) tires faster than a Tesla, and my kids grew out of the rear seat space in no time. The mileage was severely limited as well, but manageable.
I briefly considered getting it as a first car for my teenager, if not for the severe range handicap.
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On the other hand, it keeps the kids closer to home...
On a similar note, my college friend declared that a Triumph Spitfire was an ideal car for a teenager. It doesn't go over 55, it's broken half the time (limiting total risk), you can't fit two people in one front seat, and there's no back seat. It all sounds very logical, but I'm sure there's a flaw in there somewhere.
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I love the i3, but in real life, it would have attracted too much attention for me.
https://www.bmw.com/en/magazine/innovation/goodbye-bmw-i3.html
World EV sales at 16%:
https://cleantechnica.com/2023/07/05/world-ev-sales-now-16-of-world-auto-sales/
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Really ? What about all of the states that are mandating EV's ?
https://dec.vermont.gov/air-quality/mobile-sources/zev
QUOTE :
"To date, 13 states have adopted the ZEV Program (California, Colorado, Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington)."
END QUOTE :
https://www.bls.gov/opub/btn/volume-12/charging-into-the-future-the-transition-to-electric-vehicles.htm
https://www.mesapress.com/opinion/2022/10/17/california-residents-cant-turn-their-air-conditioning-on-but-will-be-forced-to-drive-electric-vehicles
https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisc...alifornias-electric-car-mandate-clmate-change
https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2022/12...ectric-vehicles-phasing-out-combustion-engine
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some will use this as an excuse, some will agree these are 'teething pains'...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thunder-bay/ev-charger-outtages-northern-ontario-1.6895863
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thunder-bay/ev-charger-outtages-northern-ontario-1.6895863
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Hey waitaminnit! What about "You'll replace tires every year?"
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Do you think mandates make EV's fiscally viable?
Having had my 2nd ev burn to the ground, ill stick with gas from now on. Only new ev's will be sold in some states, but ice vehicles will be around for decades. The government might try to regulate gas, but that won't go over very well and the politicians know that.
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No, I think that they will, eventually, "force" everyone into an EV, regardless of the problems and shortcomings associated with them.
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I suspect that the government will resort to the following to "coerce" people to move over to EV's.
( 1 ) Reduced quantities of available fuel will generate much higher prices per gallon.
( 2 ) They will offer "tax credits" to EV owners, while taxing ICE's with "Carbon Impact Fee's" and any other taxes / fees they can dream up.
( 3 ) The government may try to "leverage" auto parts stores out of existence, in order to limit "self-repair" or eliminate access to replacement parts for ICE vehicles. ( No Belts, No Brake Parts, No Fuel Pumps, No Starters, No Water Pumps, No Alternators, etc, etc, etc. )
( 4 ) The government may create some form of "Federal vehicles inspections" with the ability to "pass", being virtually impossible, for ICE vehicles.
( 5 ) Probably a lot more things I didn't mention.
As for the Politicians, we never got our Incandescent lightbulbs back, did we ? Once they're gone ( and the manufacturers are "in on it"), they aren't coming back. Once the supply dries up, it's "game over".
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So, how about actually answering those concerns with information from cited, verifiable sources ?
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