You don't.In this case, I'd love to see a video of how the sausage is made!!!
Trust me.
You don't.In this case, I'd love to see a video of how the sausage is made!!!
Well I heard rumors that early TMT was famous for "losing" sample motors and filing the certification regardless, so the flyers were doing literally all of the testingIn my opinion the most testing of a new motor is us flyers. Over my 30 years of HPR flying there has been a number of times after a new motor has been released and out at launches failures show up and we are told to stop flying the motor. My own L3 cert flight was held up for 7 months before motor problem was solved. Back than there was very few choices for a L3 motor so we just waited.
I only know three of the TMT chairs (past and present) but I’m very skeptical of that. I’ve not even heard that as a rumor.Well I heard rumors that early TMT was famous for "losing" sample motors and filing the certification regardless, so the flyers were doing literally all of the testing
Saying “I’ve heard rumors” — is a particularly nasty way to spread baseless anonymous accusations.Well I heard rumors that early TMT was famous for "losing" sample motors and filing the certification regardless, so the flyers were doing literally all of the testing
Well I heard rumors that early TMT was famous for "losing" sample motors and filing the certification regardless, so the flyers were doing literally all of the testing
Not if you have the money to order a bunch at once and/or the patience to wait for pre-orders.*groan* It's getting to the point where getting 38mm reloads with no hazmat is not much of an advantage.
Several of us were dog pile excoriated by a few of the (apparently independently wealthy elitist) rocketeers here a few weeks ago for voicing a similar conclusion in one of the other motor threads.Motors are expensive. This is definitely becoming a rich man's hobby.
Yes I am afraid also this is getting to high priced of a hobby for many.Motors are expensive. This is definitely becoming a rich man's hobby.
On a side note, if I was to certify a 38/480 blue (or anything else) that is USPS shipable but did not have an adjustable delay, only a long delay or a plugged closure, would you be willing to buy it if it was at a lower cost and fly it with electronics, since they are so widely available and inexpensive now, and safer? Using a plugged bulkhead, I might even offer this with a money back guarantee that it would not fail. I have that much confidence in it.
This would save me a great deal of time in testing just to get delay times on new loads and time down the road in testing. I'd also only need 1/3rd of the motors required to certify them. It is far easier to make motors out without adjustable delays, and if there is any failure mode weakness in Loki motors of any size, it is only in 38mm with XS and S delay times. That is about 100% of our total motor failures each year, XS and S delay blow by, but I can still count them all on one hand, every year.
David, my point being, that in my position, I'm worried about the cost of my food that has tripled, not the cost of a hobby. I haven't been able to participate in it but once a year (if that) for years now. Making rocket motors for the hobby doesn't afford me that time or money, but I will always have to buy food. I'd rather I was in a position to trade eating out expenses or something else for hobby motor flying expenses. Still, I thank the Lord every day for what I do have, because I realize there is always someone else much less fortunate than I am.Not to say anything, but we all buy eggs at $7.00 a dozen.
Sounds like you have some good ideas.On a side note, if I was to certify a 38/480 blue (or anything else) that is USPS shipable but did not have an adjustable delay, only a long delay or a plugged closure, would you be willing to buy it if it was at a lower cost and fly it with electronics, since they are so widely available and inexpensive now, and safer? Using a plugged bulkhead, I might even offer this with a money back guarantee that it would not fail. I have that much confidence in it.
This would save me a great deal of time in testing just to get delay times on new loads and time down the road in testing. I'd also only need 1/3rd of the motors required to certify them. It is far easier to make motors out without adjustable delays, and if there is any failure mode weakness in Loki motors of any size, it is only in 38mm with XS and S delay times. That is about 100% of our total motor failures each year, XS and S delay blow by, but I can still count them all on one hand, every year.
Sure, I'd be interested. I rarely fly motors bigger than H with motor eject anyway.On a side note, if I was to certify a 38/480 blue (or anything else) that is USPS shipable but did not have an adjustable delay, only a long delay or a plugged closure, would you be willing to buy it if it was at a lower cost and fly it with electronics, since they are so widely available and inexpensive now, and safer? Using a plugged bulkhead, I might even offer this with a money back guarantee that it would not fail. I have that much confidence in it.
This would save me a great deal of time in testing just to get delay times on new loads and time down the road in testing. I'd also only need 1/3rd of the motors required to certify them. It is far easier to make motors out without adjustable delays, and if there is any failure mode weakness in Loki motors of any size, it is only in 38mm with XS and S delay times. That is about 100% of our total motor failures each year, XS and S delay blow by, but I can still count them all on one hand, every year.
It's a bit of a trade-off... How would the reduced development costs translate to the commercial motor price?On a side note, if I was to certify a 38/480 blue (or anything else) that is USPS shipable but did not have an adjustable delay, only a long delay or a plugged closure, would you be willing to buy it if it was at a lower cost and fly it with electronics, since they are so widely available and inexpensive now, and safer? Using a plugged bulkhead, I might even offer this with a money back guarantee that it would not fail. I have that much confidence in it.
This would save me a great deal of time in testing just to get delay times on new loads and time down the road in testing. I'd also only need 1/3rd of the motors required to certify them. It is far easier to make motors out without adjustable delays, and if there is any failure mode weakness in Loki motors of any size, it is only in 38mm with XS and S delay times. That is about 100% of our total motor failures each year, XS and S delay blow by, but I can still count them all on one hand, every year.
I fly almost exclusively with electronics, down to 38mm motors. If the motor I'm flying has ejection, I check that it should be after apogee, and if so include it as backup.On a side note, if I was to certify a 38/480 blue (or anything else) that is USPS shipable but did not have an adjustable delay, only a long delay or a plugged closure, would you be willing to buy it if it was at a lower cost and fly it with electronics, since they are so widely available and inexpensive now, and safer? Using a plugged bulkhead, I might even offer this with a money back guarantee that it would not fail. I have that much confidence in it.
This would save me a great deal of time in testing just to get delay times on new loads and time down the road in testing. I'd also only need 1/3rd of the motors required to certify them. It is far easier to make motors out without adjustable delays, and if there is any failure mode weakness in Loki motors of any size, it is only in 38mm with XS and S delay times. That is about 100% of our total motor failures each year, XS and S delay blow by, but I can still count them all on one hand, every year.
Would definitely buy as many as I could afford.On a side note, if I was to certify a 38/480 blue (or anything else) that is USPS shipable but did not have an adjustable delay, only a long delay or a plugged closure, would you be willing to buy it if it was at a lower cost and fly it with electronics, since they are so widely available and inexpensive now, and safer? Using a plugged bulkhead, I might even offer this with a money back guarantee that it would not fail. I have that much confidence in it.
This would save me a great deal of time in testing just to get delay times on new loads and time down the road in testing. I'd also only need 1/3rd of the motors required to certify them. It is far easier to make motors out without adjustable delays, and if there is any failure mode weakness in Loki motors of any size, it is only in 38mm with XS and S delay times. That is about 100% of our total motor failures each year, XS and S delay blow by, but I can still count them all on one hand, every year.
Purely speaking for myself, I strongly prefer have motor eject in my rockets as a backup for the electronics. I have never had electronics fail, and maybe I am being irrational, but I like having a separate ejection system which is based purely on pyrotechnics. In other words, having both an electronics AND pyro system is a solid way to make sure the drogue comes out. Electronics require having a solid switch, launch detection, wiring and battering, of which if any fail, the system fails. If anything, I wish the bigger motors had a motor ejection with a long delay for backup.On a side note, if I was to certify a 38/480 blue (or anything else) that is USPS shipable but did not have an adjustable delay, only a long delay or a plugged closure, would you be willing to buy it if it was at a lower cost and fly it with electronics, since they are so widely available and inexpensive now, and safer? Using a plugged bulkhead, I might even offer this with a money back guarantee that it would not fail. I have that much confidence in it.
This would save me a great deal of time in testing just to get delay times on new loads and time down the road in testing. I'd also only need 1/3rd of the motors required to certify them. It is far easier to make motors out without adjustable delays, and if there is any failure mode weakness in Loki motors of any size, it is only in 38mm with XS and S delay times. That is about 100% of our total motor failures each year, XS and S delay blow by, but I can still count them all on one hand, every year.
Why? You are far more likely to have blow by or early eject than electronics failure. If you really want a back up, then use a second altimeter.Purely speaking for myself, I strongly prefer have motor eject in my rockets as a backup for the electronics. I have never had electronics fail, and maybe I am being irrational, but I like having a separate ejection system which is based purely on pyrotechnics. In other words, having both an electronics AND pyro system is a solid way to make sure the drogue comes out. Electronics require having a solid switch, launch detection, wiring and battering, of which if any fail, the system fails. If anything, I wish the bigger motors had a motor ejection with a long delay for backup.
Purely speaking for myself, I strongly prefer have motor eject in my rockets as a backup for the electronics. I have never had electronics fail, and maybe I am being irrational, but I like having a separate ejection system which is based purely on pyrotechnics. In other words, having both an electronics AND pyro system is a solid way to make sure the drogue comes out. Electronics require having a solid switch, launch detection, wiring and battering, of which if any fail, the system fails. If anything, I wish the bigger motors had a motor ejection with a long delay for backup.
Why? You are far more likely to have blow by or early eject than electronics failure. If you really want a back up, then use a second altimeter.
Unless your income is directly affected by cost of materials than you are not in the same position as Scott is. Most people work jobs that are a set hourly or salary pay through contract. The price of food may go up for everyone but most peoples wages aren't going down at the same time. If the cost of material is going up for Scott, he has to offset that to the consumer or accept a loss of income while living necessities are going up.Scott, we all have to buy food and are in the same position as you are. I wish you nothing but the best. But I am sure lots of folks have had the price increases, as you and I have, and their wages have not gone up. Again, good luck.
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