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Capt. Eric said:
by the time it goes on sale, they would have known exactly what they are selling
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Yes, but when a product description gets written, the item being described may not be ready for sale yet.

And yes, Estes should update their website when the final product specs are known. However, many companies don't update their websites as often as they should. Not saying Estes deserves a pass, but I am saying Estes' fault here is shared by many other companies, too.
 
Capt. Eric said:
Yet another example of poor marketing and/or website management. Estes has had a lot of mistakes with their website lately (new items sold at $0 on several occasions for example). Whoever is running their site is definitely an amateur, or working for minimum wage and just doesn't care.
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I believe their website is hosted/controlled/updated by a third-party provider.

WHOIS shows that they are registered through Network Solutions, their technical contact is
email
@estesrockets.com; but I cannot see where they are hosted from -- and I'm too cut off from the real world here at work to do a traceroute to see if their hosting is even in this country. Might be able to do a little more detective work when I get home.

It's also likely that they are using a cookie-cutter piece of software to control the content of the site, and the "admin" just doesn't know how to work it.

See ya next Sunday at CENJARS (forecast right now is rain (waaaah!), but that might change by the weekend)....
 
techrat said:
I believe their website is hosted/controlled/updated by a third-party provider.
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Yup. (Sorry for all the extra text)

~ $ dig estesrockets.com

; <<>> DiG 9.16.41 <<>> estesrockets.com
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 52254
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;estesrockets.com. IN A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
estesrockets.com. 7200 IN A 23.227.38.65

;; Query time: 270 msec
;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
;; WHEN: Mon Feb 26 09:38:15 PST 2024
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 61

~ $ whois 23.227.38.65

#
# ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use
# available at: https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/whois/tou/
#
# If you see inaccuracies in the results, please report at
# https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/whois/inaccuracy_reporting/
#
# Copyright 1997-2024, American Registry for Internet Numbers, Ltd.
#


NetRange: 23.227.32.0 - 23.227.63.255
CIDR: 23.227.32.0/19
NetName: SHOPIFY-NET
NetHandle: NET-23-227-32-0-1
Parent: NET23 (NET-23-0-0-0-0)
NetType: Direct Allocation
OriginAS: AS62679
Organization: Shopify, Inc. (SHOPI-1)
RegDate: 2013-09-19
Updated: 2021-12-14
Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/ip/23.227.32.0


OrgName: Shopify, Inc.
OrgId: SHOPI-1
Address: 151 O'Connor Street, Ground floor
City: Ottawa
StateProv: ON
PostalCode: K2P 2L8
Country: CA
RegDate: 2013-07-09
Updated: 2022-10-03
Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SHOPI-1


OrgTechHandle: SHOPI-ARIN
OrgTechName: Shopify Operations
OrgTechPhone: +1-888-746-7439
OrgTechEmail: [email protected]
OrgTechRef: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SHOPI-ARIN

OrgNOCHandle: SHOPI-ARIN
OrgNOCName: Shopify Operations
OrgNOCPhone: +1-888-746-7439
OrgNOCEmail: [email protected]
OrgNOCRef: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SHOPI-ARIN

OrgAbuseHandle: SHOPI2-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Shopify Abuse
OrgAbusePhone: +1-888-746-7439
OrgAbuseEmail: [email protected]
OrgAbuseRef: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SHOPI2-ARIN


#
# ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use
# available at: https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/whois/tou/
#
# If you see inaccuracies in the results, please report at
# https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/whois/inaccuracy_reporting/
#
# Copyright 1997-2024, American Registry for Internet Numbers, Ltd.
#

~ $ curl https://api.ipgeolocation.io/ipgeo?ip=23.227.38.65
{
"ip": "23.227.38.65",
"hostname": myshopify.com
"continent_code": "NA",
"continent_name": "North America",
"country_code2": "CA",
"country_code3": "CAN",
"country_name": "Canada",
"country_capital": "Ottawa",
"state_prov": "Ontario",
"district": "",
"city": "Ottawa",
"zipcode": "K2P 2L8",
"latitude": 45.41898,
"longitude": -75.69651,
"is_eu": "false",
"calling_code": "+1",
"country_tld": ".ca",
"languages": "en-CA,fr-CA,iu",
"country_flag": "https://ipgeolocation.io/static/flags/ca_64.png",
"isp": "Shopify, Inc.",
"connection_type": "",
"organization": "Google LLC",
"asn": "AS396982",
"geoname_id": 8581623,
"currency": {
"name": "Canadian Dollar",
"code": "CAD",
"symbol": "C$",
},
"time_zone": {
"name":"America/Toronto",
"offset": -5,
"current_time": "2024-02-26 12:40:43.417-0500",
"current_time_unix": "1.708969243417E9",
"is_dst": "false",
"dst_savings": 0,
}
}
 
cls said:
Yup. (Sorry for all the extra text)

~ $ dig estesrockets.com

; <<>> DiG 9.16.41 <<>> estesrockets.com
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 52254
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;estesrockets.com. IN A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
estesrockets.com. 7200 IN A 23.227.38.65

;; Query time: 270 msec
;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
;; WHEN: Mon Feb 26 09:38:15 PST 2024
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 61

~ $ whois 23.227.38.65

#
# ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use
# available at: https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/whois/tou/
#
# If you see inaccuracies in the results, please report at
# https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/whois/inaccuracy_reporting/
#
# Copyright 1997-2024, American Registry for Internet Numbers, Ltd.
#


NetRange: 23.227.32.0 - 23.227.63.255
CIDR: 23.227.32.0/19
NetName: SHOPIFY-NET
NetHandle: NET-23-227-32-0-1
Parent: NET23 (NET-23-0-0-0-0)
NetType: Direct Allocation
OriginAS: AS62679
Organization: Shopify, Inc. (SHOPI-1)
RegDate: 2013-09-19
Updated: 2021-12-14
Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/ip/23.227.32.0


OrgName: Shopify, Inc.
OrgId: SHOPI-1
Address: 151 O'Connor Street, Ground floor
City: Ottawa
StateProv: ON
PostalCode: K2P 2L8
Country: CA
RegDate: 2013-07-09
Updated: 2022-10-03
Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SHOPI-1


OrgTechHandle: SHOPI-ARIN
OrgTechName: Shopify Operations
OrgTechPhone: +1-888-746-7439
OrgTechEmail: [email protected]
OrgTechRef: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SHOPI-ARIN

OrgNOCHandle: SHOPI-ARIN
OrgNOCName: Shopify Operations
OrgNOCPhone: +1-888-746-7439
OrgNOCEmail: [email protected]
OrgNOCRef: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SHOPI-ARIN

OrgAbuseHandle: SHOPI2-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Shopify Abuse
OrgAbusePhone: +1-888-746-7439
OrgAbuseEmail: [email protected]
OrgAbuseRef: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SHOPI2-ARIN


#
# ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use
# available at: https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/whois/tou/
#
# If you see inaccuracies in the results, please report at
# https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/whois/inaccuracy_reporting/
#
# Copyright 1997-2024, American Registry for Internet Numbers, Ltd.
#

~ $ curl https://api.ipgeolocation.io/ipgeo?ip=23.227.38.65
{
"ip": "23.227.38.65",
"hostname": myshopify.com
"continent_code": "NA",
"continent_name": "North America",
"country_code2": "CA",
"country_code3": "CAN",
"country_name": "Canada",
"country_capital": "Ottawa",
"state_prov": "Ontario",
"district": "",
"city": "Ottawa",
"zipcode": "K2P 2L8",
"latitude": 45.41898,
"longitude": -75.69651,
"is_eu": "false",
"calling_code": "+1",
"country_tld": ".ca",
"languages": "en-CA,fr-CA,iu",
"country_flag": "https://ipgeolocation.io/static/flags/ca_64.png",
"isp": "Shopify, Inc.",
"connection_type": "",
"organization": "Google LLC",
"asn": "AS396982",
"geoname_id": 8581623,
"currency": {
"name": "Canadian Dollar",
"code": "CAD",
"symbol": "C$",
},
"time_zone": {
"name":"America/Toronto",
"offset": -5,
"current_time": "2024-02-26 12:40:43.417-0500",
"current_time_unix": "1.708969243417E9",
"is_dst": "false",
"dst_savings": 0,
}
}
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TL;DR: Hosted by Shopify on a server in Canada?
 
re:

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Are there any other commercially available rail launch systems out there to compare this to ?

[edit] I think the deflecto-spatula is way cool ! :)
 
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mh9162013 said:
This?
https://aerotech-rocketry.com/products/product_2139b9f0-b2a4-0dbe-752b-d05cfafda381

EDIT: Nevermind, that doesn't come stock with a rail.
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Yeah and I wouldn't think you could easily fit a rail on a Mantis. The drawback of that design is about 8 inches or so of rod below the deflector. Models sit high enough relative to the base to sometimes result in the Mantis hop or the Mantis dance upon ignition. Gotta secure those feet on the ground. It's a design from the past.
Based on the picture I'd be a little concerned about the wingspan of the base of this new Estes pad as well. That said I think this will fill a need. I hope great success for them.
 
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Capt. Eric said:
And I think the ARC (still known as Tarc? 😁) strongly encourages rails, as do other clubs, which seem to be phasing out 1/4" rods. So if Estes is selling Arc and Tarc kits, they "should" also sell the means to launch them. And perhaps they will also transition to buttons instead of 1/4" lugs for their larger offerings. Not a bad thing, so good for them.
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The American Rocketry Challenge (I tend to write it as “tARC” these days) has required a rail at the finals for several years. So there’s no reason really to build a model for the challenge that uses a 1/4 inch rod for qualifying flights. The rail yields so much more consistent results anyway….
Capt. Eric said:
Edit: it does say the rod is a 2-piece, 6ft, aluminum rail, but not what the "usable length" is. (it does look like you'd get almost all of that)
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Yeah, there is a dearth of useful information in that description. Whoever is doing the web pages these days is clearly not all that familiar with the hobby. I’ve given up sending them notes on things since they don’t even respond any more, unfortunately.

SolarYellow said:
I think the launch pad is aimed at ARC participants. It pairs nicely with the parts assortment. Estes can sell them two SKUs (plus maybe a launch controller) and they're off and running. Junior high and high school students (and likely many of their advisors) probably aren't in a position to knock out the light and easy metal fab that may be required to buy a rail and a speaker stand or other tripod and put it all together. This makes Estes the "Easy Button" for a lot of teams to get started, knowing that Estes is unlikely to sell them any motors.

I seriously doubt Estes expects any significant number of individual adult MPR/HPR enthusiast/hobbyists or clubs to buy the rail system.
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Agreed. Three SKUs: the parts assortment, this new pad, and the PSII launch controller. I’ve been recommending the latter to tARC teams for years and have never regretted it. I have one that’s at least 10 years old that’s my regular controller when I go flying on my own.

For single-egg-based challenges actually Estes motors could be used, at least if the model is kept light.

mh9162013 said:
What reason would a company like Estes have for not including an MSRP in their catalog? Isn't it fair to assume most consumers understand that the prices from a manufacturer's website or catalog are often going to be higher or at least the same as most retailers?
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If you go back through the years, prices have been in and out and in and out. If you look, most recently, at, say 2016 or so, you’ll find the color pages with no prices and a price list bound into the center of the physical catalog. Now idea why it sometimes goes one way or the other.
 
samb said:
Yeah and I wouldn't think you could easily fit a rail on a Mantis. The drawback of that design is about 8 inches or so of rod below the deflector. Models sit high enough relative to the base to sometimes result in the Mantis hop or the Mantis dance upon ignition. Gotta secure those feet on the ground. It's a design from the past.
Based on the picture I'd be a little concerned about the wingspan of the base of this new Estes pad as well. That said I think this will fill a need. I hope great success for them.
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The Mantis is too tall and too flimsy to mount a regular six-foot 1010 rail or hold it steady if you manage to mount it. I’ve seen it tried and it usually doesn’t end well.

One interesting feature of this Estes pad is that it is NOT using a chunk of 1010 rail (six feet weighs nearly three pounds) but some much lighter-looking extrusion, coupled with a metal folding mechanism leads me to think that for MPR and low HPR this pad might make an easy “ready to use” solution.
 
CalebJ said:
Has anyone received a printed copy to confirm that the prices haven't been added? I wondered if they just released the PDF before that was finalized.
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I looked at a couple of pages and didn’t see prices. But I didn’t go through every page of the physical one because I’d already done that with the soft copy. If you want to suggest a particular page I’ll look at it in detail.
 
ENTERPRISE NCC-1701 said:
Yes the Pershing is a big kit, but in these days of high power if Estes did bring this kit back it would be a sellout, no question about it. 😀👍
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Uh, no.

John Boren (Estes R&D) made a 'high-power' version of the classic Maxi-Brute Pershing 1A.
It needed a pound of noseweight.
Estes would want the kit to fly on it's own motors.
I would recommend the Boyce Aerospace Hobbies version of the Pershing 1A if you would like such a model.
 
Alan15578 said:
I am disappointed in the new catalog. With their new MSRP policy, they should have put the prices along side the items.
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This is common.

By not listing pricing in the catalog, Estes can make one printing of the catalog and just include updated pricing sheets throughout the year.

Hmmm...I expect this means we will see at least one more price increase before the end of the year. :(
 
That was certainly the approach during the early 1970s when prices were going up like crazy. Here's hoping that's not necessary this time.
 
Received the new Estes catalog today and I'm very disappointed, NO PRICING! Are we suppose to contact support for pricing ? Fantastic Estes ! Time to move on
 
SolarYellow said:
I choose none. All the die-cut cards are so curved the fins would be better propeller blades than fins. I bought a bulk pack when they were cheap on Amazon, but I look at it as just a bunch of parts for cheap, not a bunch of Viking kits.
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Card fins !?! 🤔 Mind you, you could always stiffen them with glue or watered epoxy.
 
Delta1 said:
Received the new Estes catalog today and I'm very disappointed, NO PRICING! Are we suppose to contact support for pricing ? Fantastic Estes ! Time to move on
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Well, with all the QR codes in the catalog it seems they do want us to look on the website a lot.
I will likely give my copy to my grandson so he can dream and imagine the fun as he grows. Pops has the big rockets and when I grow up I will too.
 
mh9162013 said:
This?
https://aerotech-rocketry.com/products/product_2139b9f0-b2a4-0dbe-752b-d05cfafda381

EDIT: Nevermind, that doesn't come stock with a rail.
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I am an AT fanboy. I love their motors, in both AT and Quest liveries. I love their cases, that I find easier to use than the cases of their competitors. I love that they offer reloads down to 18mm and up to I'm afraid of that. I love their rocket kits, which are made of quality tubing with good nosecones and cleverly designed fin cans and motor mounts. Their kits can fly on a variety of motors and can survive multiple crashes without being super heavy. They always look great if I do my part with the rattlecans and decals.

I own lots of AT stuff, and I have been very happy with all of it except my mantis pad, which was the older all white one so maybe the new ones are different. The pad is cool looking, and the blast deflector design is unique. On the other hand, the design of the base concentrates force on a small area of the four rectangular plastic tubes into which the legs insert, and mine did not last long at all before before one of those corners broke. It is the only item I have ever purchased from them in which I was disappointed, and I have purchased many. The oft-maligned and seldom celebrated copperhead igniters worked as advertised when I stored, handled, installed, and hooked them up with care, and I like the mantis pad less than I liked copperhead igniters.

Others love their mantis pads, and perhaps you will hear from them below, but I don't think those pads represent the brand well. My example, at least, simply did not deliver an ownership experience consistent with that of any other AT product I have owned.
 
mh9162013 said:
I would expect that, as all you'd need is decals (which would be easily handled with a simple photocopier). You wouldn't even have to cut out the balsa fins; just include a fin template and a blank sheet of balsa (like they used to do with the Yankee).
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Ollie-oop rocketry has nice downscales of Goblin and Red Max, both for Micro-Max motors. Both use a BT-5 and could easily be converted to 13mm motors. Both have nice waterslide decal sets.
 

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