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I don't think Loki is certified in California... sorry.


Californians fly Loki at Black Rock all the time. We have a couple Nevada friends we get Scott to ship to, then pick up en route.

We need to do this for N motors as well, not that those are within my budget.

Hehe. Gonna hang a couple feet out the back?

Holy smokes! I thought it would at least be within a foot a a 54mm6XL. Never mind.
 
Woohoo!! Thanks Scott for helping a USLI team out!

Team captain calls me last Sunday, "Hey Dave, we're looking at the schedule and we want to fly twice on 2/20."

I go to order their "preferred" motor from a different manufacture/vendor and guess what...they can't do it. I call up Red Arrow Hobbies and a few phone calls later I get word that "Scott says he'll have it here by Friday."

I got the second L930 sitting in my house ready to go for tomorrow's launch. Thanks Scott and Red Arrow!
 
Red M by BALLS 2016.... barring some unforeseen event, they will be flying at Airfest this September. If I'm really lucky, maybe a Red N. I have to see how the liner holds up to that much propellant first. I get to experiment with a thicker propellant web at a lower chamber pressure using a negligibly thicker liner to see if the damage is any worse to the liner than the 54mm M.

Dave, I'm just glad they got on the ball rolling in time. If they had waited 24 hours later, it may not have happened. I'll be waiting patiently Sunday morning for the launch photos and flight statistics to show up here. ;-) Tell the team I said thanks for flying Loki Research.
 
Red M by BALLS 2016.... barring some unforeseen event, they will be flying at Airfest this September. If I'm really lucky, maybe a Red N. I have to see how the liner holds up to that much propellant first. I get to experiment with a thicker propellant web at a lower chamber pressure using a negligibly thicker liner to see if the damage is any worse to the liner than the 54mm M.

Dave, I'm just glad they got on the ball rolling in time. If they had waited 24 hours later, it may not have happened. I'll be waiting patiently Sunday morning for the launch photos and flight statistics to show up here. ;-) Tell the team I said thanks for flying Loki Research.

A 54mm N? Now I know your crazy... I also know I'm going to be designing all of my future projects with enough room for that case.
 
LOL, yeah I figured, but the post made it sound like a 54mm and I couldn't help myself... Though my current project may get extended eventually to allow for the 75mm N.
 
Yeah, sorry...I thought about that later but I never made it back to clarify, My brain was thinking "76mm" N but my fingers didn't get the memo. :)
(Edit) "Brian", not Tim,..... if you've got room for the 76/8000 than you'll be good to go. It's just a baby. ;-) (too tired, forgot who was saying what last night)

Another 40kg of Loki Red is in the books. Thank goodness it's Friday. 12pm last night.... 11:20pm tonight.... I hope I don't wake up until 10am. I know that won't happen though. There's a Mallard duck in the cove that thinks he's Foghorn Leghorn and doesn't know when to shut up. I might have to get a duck stamp if he keeps it up.

(Edit) It occurred to me this morning that I am getting older than I realize, and that there are likely several "youngsters" here who have no idea who Foghorn Leghorn is. Boy I miss the good ol days!

PS. the duck lives another day. I slept well. :)
 
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Yeah, sorry...I thought about that later but I never made it back to clarify, My brain was thinking "76mm" N but my fingers didn't get the memo. :)
Tim, if you've got room for the 76/8000 than you'll be good to go. It's just a baby. ;-)

Another 40kg of Loki Red is in the books. Thank goodness it's Friday. 12pm last night.... 11:20pm tonight.... I hope I don't wake up until 10am. I know that won't happen though. There's a Mallard duck in the cove that thinks he's Foghorn Leghorn and doesn't know when to shut up. I might have to get a duck stamp if he keeps it up.

:point::point:
 
Dave, I'm just glad they got on the ball rolling in time. If they had waited 24 hours later, it may not have happened. I'll be waiting patiently Sunday morning for the launch photos and flight statistics to show up here. ;-) Tell the team I said thanks for flying Loki Research.

Well...we only got one flight today and I unfortunately didn't get any photos lol.

Up part was fantastic. Drogue part was good...Main part was good right up until the kiddos found the booster section. Apparently, the fin can came disconnected (long story) when the main inflated and dropped 600' and became ballistic so that royally screwed up the can - no second flight. They'll be rebuilding this week and might try to fly with WOOSH at Bong.
 
And by the way...after removing the liner I found that a standard toilet bowl brush (that hasn't been used in toilets) is an excellent brush for scrubbing out the inside of a 76mm casing with warm water and dish soap. :)
 
And by the way...after removing the liner I found that a standard toilet bowl brush (that hasn't been used in toilets) is an excellent brush for scrubbing out the inside of a 76mm casing with warm water and dish soap. :)

I have some brushes coming in this week that work for this. I'll have them from 29mm to 6"
 
Ooohhhh ooh oh ohohoh someone got a shot of the Notre Dame rocket!

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Woohoo! Ain't it purdy!
 
Thanks for posting the photo Dave. Tell us, what is the airframe OD and length?

Watermelonman said:
Holy smokes! I thought it would at least be within a foot a a 54mm6XL. Never mind.

Hey now, if the 54/4000 is too long for your rocket, don't forget about the Loki 54/2800 case. The biggest reload for that case, L-1040 Loki Red packs 3,707.77Ns with a 3.6 second burn time. It's currently the 2nd largest 54mm motor on the market. 562Ns more than the L-935 with a touch longer burn time. ;-)
 
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As near as I can figure, that would be:

~.025 = 1 Loki Second
~.031 = 1 AT Second (1/32")
~.038 = 1 CTI Second

I'd have to find a notebook to double check that, but it's real close for the slow delays.

I finally got around to prepping motors for launch next weekend, and I actually READ the instructions that came with my motor.

To be clear, this is for the Loki 38/240 hardware, all loads.

Referencing the drawing on the bottom of the instructions, it points to the delay and says

"Drill to reduce the delay time. Delay is
reduced by 2 seconds for every 1/16" of
depth. Do not drill deeper than 3/8". Use
the Loki-DAT to ensure accurate and
reproducible results."

1/16 = .0625
.0625/2 = .03125

or

.031 = 1 second = same as the AT second

Which generally jives with the delay selection chart on the same instructions.

SO, at least for the 38/240 loads, I'm set.


Now back to your regularly scheduled Loki awesomeness.

Another order inbound sometime next week.
 
"Drill to reduce the delay time. Delay is
reduced by 2 seconds for every 1/16" of
depth. Do not drill deeper than 3/8". Use
the Loki-DAT to ensure accurate and
reproducible results."

.031 = 1 second = same as the AT second

They burn a hair slower than that, but it's very close. Kind of confusing if it said delay is reduced by ~1.9 seconds for every 7/128th of depth. ;-)

It's not a perfect science. I hope you enjoy them this weekend.
 
From the thread that got locked yesterday...
....
...Loki is still certifying new motors, some of which are of incredibly high performance.

So tell your friends and everyone you know,.... "Did you know Loki Research makes some of the most butt kicking reloadable motors out there today!? In a months time (or less) there will be 14 Loki Research motors from "G"s to "I"s that are USPS shippable without ANY Haz-Mat!"
SPREARD THE WORD EVERYONE!
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Because apparently not everyone has heard the good news....


I keep hearing it, but sure would be nice to get Loki in Australia.
Apparently Blake has tried but there's some obstacle, a real shame. :(
 
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From the thread that got locked yesterday...


I keep hearing it, but sure would be nice to get Loki in Australia.
Apparently Blake has tried but there's some obstacle, a real shame. :(

Think Blake said each state of Australia is basically like California. Loki don't sell in Cal because of their laws, don't hold your breath for Aus.
 
Think Blake said each state of Australia is basically like California. Loki don't sell in Cal because of their laws, don't hold your breath for Aus.
Hmm ok. I'm not familiar with the laws in the other states, but as far as WA goes I'm pretty sure as long as it is a commercial motor and certified by a recognised authority (NAR/TRA/CAR/AMRS) all is good.
The other guys can do it (AT, CTI, Gorilla)
Oh well, I'll keep dreaming then.
 
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Hmm ok. I'm not familiar with the laws in the other states, but as far as WA goes I'm pretty sure as long as it is a commercial motor and certified by a recognised authority (NAR/TRA/CAR/AMRS) all is good.
The other guys can do it (AT, CTI, Gorilla)
Oh well, I'll keep dreaming then.

WA= Western Australia? here in the US WA=Washington state, it could get confusing thats the only reason I point it out.
 
Hmm ok. I'm not familiar with the laws in the other states, but as far as WA goes I'm pretty sure as long as it is a commercial motor and certified by a recognised authority (NAR/TRA/CAR/AMRS) all is good.
The other guys can do it (AT, CTI, Gorilla)
Oh well, I'll keep dreaming then.

It may be worth looking into more....but AT and CTI have very deep pockets, both having government and commercial contracts that pay the bills, and the hobby division is just gravy riding off already paid for things like DOT numbers and such. Loki is running purely on hobby sales.
 
From the thread that got locked yesterday...


I keep hearing it, but sure would be nice to get Loki in Australia.
Apparently Blake has tried but there's some obstacle, a real shame. :(

Yes, Blake spoke to me about bringing Loki Research products to Australia early on when I had first took over the reins of Loki. I had a lot on my plate to figure out, and in many ways, I still do. The last I heard from him was in December of 2012. There was proprietary information that he said was needed and leery of sending it to anyone, I was requesting to send it directly to the AHJ myself. Not knowing who the AHJ was and never getting that information from Blake, it never got sent. That is where the communication ended. I honestly couldn't tell you who dropped the ball here or if it was a little of us both. I last emailed him in July of 2014 asking if we could pick up where we left off but I never got a response back. I wouldn't mind it if you put a bug back in his ear though.

Just remember, it's just me here, no one else. I have a lot to do already as it is, and when something else comes along that requires a lot of time, research and effort, it often takes a long time to get finished. A lot longer than what most people would consider a reasonable amount of time. One guy can only get so much work done in a week so that time is very valuable to me. I've been trying to get more things outsourced lately in order to free up more time for myself to get more propellant made. Growing pains are just that, a pain until you get over them. Anyone who can ease the pain and help make growing Loki Research an easier task is more than welcome to help out, whatever the task may be. The easiest task is burning more Loki propellant. That alone is the biggest help anyone can provide. Next to that, it's word of mouth.

Speaking of word of mouth, I often try to point out how reliable Loki Research reloads are. Lately, it seems there's not a week that goes by in which I hear about a motor catoing, but fortunately it's not one of mine. It's someone else. I recently gained another USLI team after they had two sequential catos on another brands 76mm motors. If there is one thing my dealers are happy about, it's that they don't have to worry about warrantying Loki products. Now I'm not saying that it never happens because it does, but it is extremely rare that you will see a properly assembled Loki Research commercial motor cato or burn through. This is the kind of word of mouth that is important to pass along, and when you hear the opposite spoken, it is important that you challenge the person speaking it to sight their information. Make sure they are not simply trying to throw the Loki brand under the bus. It does happen unfortunately.

I've got some great word of mouth now for several years on the quality of Loki hardware as well. Eric Foster has done a very good job making most (not all but most) of my hardware. He has done great work and the feedback I have received from customers proves this to me. It all starts with using the best materials available.

Anodizing- The latest run of 54mm hardware was done at a new plater and is now back in stock. It is hardcoat anodized and dyed in a two slightly different but beautiful shades of blue. (longer story) Even after carefully detailing the use of the aluminum tubes with o-ring seals to the plater, and the great need for care in racking the tubes for plating, there are some cases that came out a fair amount under the mark that I was aiming for with regard to racking the tubes. Keep in mind that I will not send out a case unless I am confident it will operate as intended, but that doesn't mean you won't see a few marks on the inside or ends of the case hear or there. To the average flier, they could probably care less and won't notice most of it after the first firing anyway. To the anal retentive among us who must have all matching red Dr.Rockets hardware in their Aerotech 29 & 38mm line-up, you may not be happy. I am sorry, but that's just the way it is. I promise the plater will do better next time. Well, I promise that he promised me. ;-)

I bring up word of mouth, because of the closed post that Viking referred to. I still hear from people that someone they knew thought that Loki Research had closed up shop 5 years ago and my jaw always drops. Apparently they are not hearing the right word of mouth, so I'll ask this of all Loki Research fliers. Help your friends to learn more about who and what Loki Research is. Ask them if they have Loki motors loaded in their simulation programs. I often hear of those who don't, though I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't load every motor available. Ask them to watch your flights when flying your Loki motors. And above all else tell them about all the motors they can purchase and have shipped to them through the USPS WITHOUT paying any haz-mat fees.

Currently there are 9 Loki motors from G to I which can be shipped without haz-mat fees. Very shortly, that number should increase to 14 motors from G to I. (3 more G's, 1 more H and 1 more I) I believe that is far more than any other manufacturer in this impulse range, which leaves me wondering why every L1 flier you know doesn't own the 38/240 and 38/480 Loki hardware. The hardware may be a bit more expensive but the reloads are less expensive and you'll buy a lot more reloads than you do hardware. After burning 4-5 reloads you'll be saving money with every launch.

These USPS shippable Loki motors are also regressive burn profiles which have a huge amount of thrust at ignition when compared to the competition in the same case/propellant size. If you've got a heavy fiberglass rocket and a windy launch field, there is no safer way to put your rocket up strait in the air than using a motor that gives you a high thrust to weight ratio. These "half grain" or "lifesaver" grain USPS shippable Loki motors will give you this high thrust. Check them out here. https://www.thrustcurve.org/browser.jsp?1manufacturer=10 Mark Kolesh, if you are reading this, a highly visible notation of some sort indicating which motors don't require haz-mat on ThrustCurve.org would be a great addition for fliers to see. I see that topic come up once or twice each year.
Word of mouth here folks, tell this information to your friends. Don't assume that they know all this already. If you love Loki research and never want to see it go away, then tell people why and spread the word.

Thank you so much!

PS. There's another "K" and "M" motor being tested by TMT as well.
 
Very shortly, that number should increase to 14 motors from G to I. (3 more G's, 1 more H and 1 more I) ....
PS. There's another "K" and "M" motor being tested by TMT as well.

Now this is fun and exciting news :) time to go watch the youtube videos over and over :)
 
I promise the plater will do better next time. Well, I promise that he promised me. ;-)

Lol I will have to remember that one.

The hardware may be a bit more expensive but the reloads are less expensive and you'll buy a lot more reloads than you do hardware. After burning 4-5 reloads you'll be saving money with every launch.

As someone who owns almost all of CTI and AT's 54, 38, 29 and 24mm hardware, I have to agree that Loki hardware is higher quality. Don't get me wrong I love my CTI and AT motors, but if you hold Loki hardware in your hand it is clearly much better quality, starting with the materials and finally Eric's high workmanship. The design is subjective. Before I decided to buy Loki, my perception was that I didn't like the snap rings and snap ring pliers, but that was because I had never used them before. Once I decided to try Loki I also purchased the specific pliers Scott recommends and after I watched his how-to video I had it down after two or three tries.

Now I like the snap ring design...a tailcone option would be cool :)
 
As someone who owns almost all of CTI and AT's 54, 38, 29 and 24mm hardware, I have to agree that Loki hardware is higher quality. Don't get me wrong I love my CTI and AT motors, but if you hold Loki hardware in your hand it is clearly much better quality, starting with the materials and finally Eric's high workmanship.

Heh, Rousetech told me this was "perfectly normal" on my 54/1706.
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My Loki stuff is much sexier.
 
Heh, Rousetech told me this was "perfectly normal" on my 54/1706.
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My Loki stuff is much sexier.

+100 Dave,,,
What you're showing has depth and is no big deal at all...
A tiny bit of discoloration is certainly nothing at all,, ( and is on the inside )...

Teddy
 
Heh, Rousetech told me this was "perfectly normal" on my 54/1706.
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My Loki stuff is much sexier.

I picked up a NEW AT 75/3840 from someone on here... And I had the same lip.

I also just picked up one of the brand new 75RAS from AT.... The adapter pieces are ~5" long... Anyone with a decent lathe can turn the ID in a single shot... I'm not understanding why they were double chucked. That's more operations, more money..

But I digress. I really want to try the 75mm 6800 or 8000 in the WAC Corporal... Man. Maybe I'll have to pull the trigger for NARAM! My 54/2800 is a pretty sweet motor. I need to pick up another LW load for it as I don't think Spitfires will be allowed at NARAM.

-Mike
 
I picked up a NEW AT 75/3840 from someone on here... And I had the same lip.

I also just picked up one of the brand new 75RAS from AT.... The adapter pieces are ~5" long... Anyone with a decent lathe can turn the ID in a single shot... I'm not understanding why they were double chucked. That's more operations, more money..

But I digress. I really want to try the 75mm 6800 or 8000 in the WAC Corporal... Man. Maybe I'll have to pull the trigger for NARAM! My 54/2800 is a pretty sweet motor. I need to pick up another LW load for it as I don't think Spitfires will be allowed at NARAM.

-Mike

Which load do you want? I would love to send it to you :)
 
That's weird,,
I don't see Dave's post ???

Wow Dave,,
And that case got out like that ??
Somebody should be watching...
I've never had one that bad,, ( I don't think anyways )...
There were 2 separate factors that drew me to Loki Research...
Both were independent of each other,, unrelated...
One was the severe coolness of the loads,, just look at two comparable thrust curves...
And the other was the hardware,, I just love something that's absolutely top quality...
All you have to do is hold a case complete in your hand....
The difference is evident in an instant...

Teddy
 
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