That little rocket scientist has his own jet airplane, that liitle rocket scientist is a millionaire...
Banging on the launch board like a Chimpanzee! That ain't workin' That's the way you do it.
We did this before, Xyla's at it again
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Banging on the launch board like a Chimpanzee! That ain't workin' That's the way you do it.
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Yeah.... I have to ask... Why is that there seem to be so many "real engineers" who don't have actual day jobs and just blow stuff up on youtube?
This old dude is hip! I am lying flat and letting it rot! I want my MTV...I mean YouTube vids and plenty of Tik Tok shorts. Everything you need to know is right there. Inspiration for instant gratification with eye candy and a few rocket crashes mixed in!
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"Skelonaught" wins the internet today. For me, anyway.
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Surprised I haven’t seen mention of MDRA’s yearly tree launches. Sure they aren’t technically part of TRA or NAR, but they’ve been flying unstable, unrecoverable projectiles long before Xyla and Joe. IMO any club turning a blind eye to unsafe launches only hurts the hobby’s reputation.
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Maybe the skeleton would have flown better if they'd used the right kind of glue...
If she wanted to do a money making and inspirational video she should properly build and document a high power mannequin rocket, dress it as Taylor Swift, dress everyone, including the beefcake, up in Swifty outfits and push the button. A successful Swifty rocket would surely bring in the clicks. A drag race with a Kelce rocket ... OUTTASIGHT! Swifties rock!
I can only speak from my experience. Not all engineers are created equal, not all engineering degrees are equal. I got a degree in engineering from a college that taught me a lot about what I needed to know for my job. My job was difficult, in my field engineering is a sweatshop type job with a lot of work and a lot of responsibility. Not everybody is cut out for that type of job, lots of people come in but can't hack it so they leave for something else.
One of our state colleges wanted to grow their engineering program, they wanted to have 25,000 engineering students. I suppose a college gets bragging rights by having more students and gets more funding and donations. In my state there have been about 150k licensed engineers since the beginning of time, with about 67k current licenses. If one college has 25k students at one time my guess is they will graduate a lot of people who aren't suited to be engineers and who won't be able to find engineering jobs.
And youtube is seen as "money for nothing and ... " if you are cute enough, crazy enough, funny enough, or blow up enough stuff.
Especially when they end up on YouTube. And it's not that hard to put in the effort to make it stable. Gobs of nose weight or tractor motors. The good flights they have are awesome.
No Daddy! Instant gratification and belly laughs for old dudes watching them crash!
No Daddy! Insant gratification and clicks for Joe and Xlya! Have some hipster HIPO fun!
Typical oddroc scum. Spending too much time at the Party City clearance. Youglings with no idea what they are doing, where they are at! Crash TV. Ban the idiots!
Joe and Xlya aren't even engineers and they are Kicking it on YouTube!
Watching her and that BPS guy cake a pound of grease on that CTI liner and then proceed to beat the hell out of the casing with hammers and wood for 2 hours to get it on the liner assembly was a special kind of special.
Like.....really special kind of special special special.
I sat there just watching.....mouth open....shaking my head.
Her going fake crazy as she unpacked the grains from the box from Chris, as she repeatedly kept calling them explosives; yes, they are, but she was implying something far different as a means of sensationalizing. Then reading the comments from people who don't know any better, clamoring about them hammering on explosives. Really does amazing things for the visibility of our hobby and setting a wonderful and candid example.
/sarcasm
Like.....really special kind of special special special.
I sat there just watching.....mouth open....shaking my head.
Her going fake crazy as she unpacked the grains from the box from Chris, as she repeatedly kept calling them explosives; yes, they are, but she was implying something far different as a means of sensationalizing. Then reading the comments from people who don't know any better, clamoring about them hammering on explosives. Really does amazing things for the visibility of our hobby and setting a wonderful and candid example.
/sarcasm
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Only about 25% of engineers have a PE, and most of those are civil engineers. Especially in aerospace it's not particularly helpful, as aerospace its often across state lines, and there isn't great agreeance with defense and the NSPE. So while there may be issues with having 25,000 engineering students, I don't think the number of PEs in your state is the determiner of if they're going to be good engineers.
I don't care to watch the show, so would you answer me this: What that targeting during thrust or coast? If it's targeting that under 'chute then it's not different from the sanctioned spot landing events.
So, I guess the distinction is 1) in how the phrase "all launches" is understood, and 2) the understanding of the scope of rules in general.
1. Does "all launches" mean any time a rocket goes up, period? Or does it mean any time a rocket goes up in situations connected with the organization? Most of us understand "all launches" to mean the latter, and to me, the former seems bizzar.
2. Is the safety code a governing document for all launches (see #1) or is it code governing members' behavior in all rocket activity? If the latter, it would seem that anyone working professionally in space launches, large sounding launches, or missile launches must renounce TRA membership.
Just a tip for you, Nebula is where it's at for educational content, and the new streaming service that The Armchair Historian is starting may be following it shortly. Doing educational content on YouTube really sucks because you can get demonetized for saying the words "Hitler" or "Nazi" or talking about things like the Afghanistan or Nagorno-Karabakh wars, even in their historical, educational context, so a number of educational creators are at least partially giving up on it.
Yeah, sorry, you are. You're only required to follow all applicable local, state, and federal regulations. Following the safety code is a good idea, but not a requirement. It's a good idea for at least three reasons:
1. Following the safety code ensures that you are probably complying with those government regulations, and stand a chance of being forgiven minor violations due to having made a good faith effort (but that's not guaranteed and only works once in any case).
2. Your NAR or TRA group insurance doesn't cover you should something go wrong unless you're following the safety code.
3. Saving the best for last, it contains very good safety advice.
You most definitely can get into serious **** for not following those rules. Some of those "safety codes" are Federal laws. I'm out im not gonna argue about this.
Do you have to follow any rules/codes?...No, you don't. Have fun.
Whatever you think of this project (and I don't like it either, even as I defend it against cries of safety code violations) it's completely inaccurate to characterize Xyla as a "ding bat girl". She has demonstrated far more than "a tiny bit of basic rocketry knowledge" on multiple occasions. Yes, I agree that it would have been a much better idea to apply that knowledge in making a skeleton oddroc, but don't dismiss her over this bad idea.
I agree, 99%. The only mark she missed with me was doing bad rocketry this one time. And I'm calling it bad because that's what I call sticking a big honking motor into a thing that's not designed or intended to go straight up or to come down safely. Doing it at FAR, under FAR rules, means there's no legal problem, no issue with the NAR or TRA safety codes, but that doesn't make it a good idea. This one time.I think she is doing great. Her target demographic is not the over 50 out-of-touch aging rocketeer white men (myself included), so if she missed the mark with you it's because she IS trying to change that image of model rocketry and inspire a new generation that is turned off and shut out by all of us old "set in our ways" men. Most of her cohort is trying to break the stereotype that you can't be smart and pretty/fun at the same time - a real barrier for girls entering engineering. The "beefcakes" she hangs with come from MIT, SpaceX, Blue O, and other amazing backgrounds. They don't need to inspire us, but we shouldn't hate on them or discourage them from inspiring the next generation.
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Ok...sorry for causing an issue. I'm not the one that will be fined.
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And, here we return to a subtopic of the last time we had a long discussion about a Xyla Foxlin rocket video. Why the frequent mentions of her appearance? It seems like you (an others) are re saying that doing dumb stuff (and this was dumb stuff) is somehow even worse when it's a good looking woman doing dumb stuff. And maybe that's not what you were thinking, but I detect a bias, conscious or not, against good looking women?
Yes, I see myself turning more and more into Red Foreman, but I do try to fight it (sometimes).
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So ..... is this Wiki post wrong?
Or are you attempting to sweep this under the rug?
Here's what Wiki says:
In the United States, APCP for hobby use is regulated indirectly by two non-government agencies: the National Association of Rocketry (NAR), and the Tripoli Rocketry Association (TRA). Both agencies set forth rules regarding the impulse classification of rocket motors and the level of certification required by rocketeers in order to purchase certain impulse (size) motors. The NAR and TRA require motor manufacturers to certify their motors for distribution to vendors and ultimately hobbyists. The vendor is charged with the responsibility (by the NAR and TRA) to check hobbyists for high-power rocket certification before a sale can be made. The amount of APCP that can be purchased (in the form of a rocket motor reload) correlates to the impulse classification, and therefore the quantity of APCP purchasable by a hobbyist (in any single reload kit) is regulated by the NAR and TRA.
Shes gone from Rockteer to "I want more likes" and paying subscribers. I've watched many of her videos and she's really good but this last one wasn't impressive. It went up 20 feet and a high power motor spun in circles... But social media has demanded more. BPS is also great, why above is he being slammed too now I'm not sure.
My concern saying you should follow the safety codes as some of them ARE the local/Federal laws and regulations.
Look, I know someone that has gotten into serious trouble and could have killed someone with what he did and is in Federal Prison. I'm not trying to argue codes or start any issues. Just be careful what and when you send them up with please. For your safety and others(this is a general statement). The problem is unfortunately idiots do get into this hobby....
My concern saying you should follow the safety codes as some of them ARE the local/Federal laws and regulations.
Look, I know someone that has gotten into serious trouble and could have killed someone with what he did and is in Federal Prison. I'm not trying to argue codes or start any issues. Just be careful what and when you send them up with please. For your safety and others(this is a general statement). The problem is unfortunately idiots do get into this hobby....
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Yes. In fact double yes. Because guys expect good looking women to do dumb stuff.
And when a good looking woman that knows better feeds into the stereotype of doing dumb stuff, it feels offensive.
There's an old saying that if you do 1000 good things and 1 bad thing, it will be the 1 bad thing you're remembered for.
Now she may have had her motives for doing this, and good for her for inspiring girls to get into STEM, ..... BUT, this one feels like it simply done for clicks.
And it feeds into the stereotype, and it will be the one bad thing thing she'll be remembered for.
But hey she got what she wanted, we're all talking about her. I hope she makes $40,000 from this video. Good luck with that.
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If you don't like this stuff, don't watch it. YouTube is all about the "Hold my beer" moments, and staged "Watch what happens when we..." videos. It's all about the clicks... for money. Decrying that somebody did something unsafe for clicks is a bit sanctimonious IMHO. And as I have noted before, the good people at FAR are not about to let anybody get hurt in any way on their property.
Now, I wonder how many cars I could jump over with an electric bicycle...
Now, I wonder how many cars I could jump over with an electric bicycle...
Yes, I think it is. I could be wrong, but I think it is.
One would need to define "regulate". Neither of those organizations have any legal power to create or enforce legal regulations, unless in some particular jurisdiction wherein a state, county, or local ordinance has made it so, and I seriously doubt that any state would do so. (Counties and municipalities, I don't know.) No vendor or flyer is going to find himself in court facing a charge of "Failure to comply by the NAR safety code".
I'm really fairly sure that compliance with this is voluntary, just like there is no legal requirement for a movie theater to prohibit entry by an unaccompanied 15 year old to an R rated movie; the MPAA rating system is a system of voluntary regulation, and so is the NAR/TRA established system of certification levels.
It correlates only approximately, which is the reason that there are a few motors, classified as low power under the lettering system, but as high power under the NFPA rules (which are adopted as law in many if not most states) and federal regulations.
The provisions of the safety codes, in many cases, coincide with non-voluntary, legal regulations. Which is why:
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Try the thought emporium he has detected antimatter with stuff he found in a trash can. Also made yest make spider silk. The man is a genius.
That is interesting. Who wrote that into Wiki? What authority does the NAR and TRA have over vendors? Can they collect fines or incarcerate offending vendors? The NAR and TRA has limited influence on motor manufacturers, since they can threaten to decertify motors that they have certified. They have more influence over consumers, since they can pull HPR user certification. I don't believe "by the NAR and TRA" has any comparable direct influence over vendors. Well yes, NAR/TRA does help write the NFPA rules and laws that affect vendors, but they have no power or authority to charge a vendor with any responsibility.
In most states it is state fire regulations adopted from NFPA by the state fire marshal. Some are local like you posted.
But the only federal law is in FAAs FAR 101, and DOT transportation laws.
Fred's post falls about , as it is only indirectly controlled by NAR and TRA at their launches. Also Wikis are naturally in error at times.
I don't like this video she posted, but I want to make clear just what the rules cover and where.
