LDRS40 - Launch Director Info

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Greetings from the LDRS40 Launch Director!

***this post has been edited to correct the motor information below ***
***this post has been edited to add Registration information below ***
***this post has been edited to update the TRATECH planning ***

ROC is ready to host LDRS, which will be held concurrently with our 2022 June ROCStock. You can find a lot of information on how ROC runs a launch on our website:
https://rocstock.org

Some quick hits:
LDRS40 will still be June 9-12, 2022.
The Launch Site is Lucerne Dry Lake, Lucerne Valley, CA
-June can be extremely hot (100-115º at our launch site).
-This is a “no shade”, bring everything you need with you type of launch site.
https://rocstock.org/camping-survival/
-Camping on site is allowed and encouraged, but be prepared as this is not campground camping!
-There are lots of hotels in three directions (Barstow, Victorville/Hesperia, and Big Bear) within an hour of the launch site.
More info and directions at:
https://rocstock.org/site/
-Standard ROCStock Altitude limits will apply, 17,500 MSL (14,500 AGL) with call-ins to 20,000 MSL (17,000 AGL).
-CA Motor limits apply…All motors must be CA OSTM-certified, single-motor “M” limit, total vehicle impulse is also “M”. (CA OSTM Regulations)

COVID:
Right now…ROC operates in our COVID protocol (there are some lightweight restrictions, but we’re outdoors so they’re minor).
Local hotels currently operate with various COVID protocols in place, check local requirements.
Honestly, who knows what the situation will be in June, we’ll roll with it…

TRATECH:
We have coordinated with the Tripoli TRATECH committee and are planning to host TRATECH again on the Thursday and Friday afternoons of the launch at the host hotel.

Vendors:
This is a BLM site and ROC has a fantastic relationship with our BLM office so we’re working with them to smooth out the permitting process. In the meantime, if you are a vendor that sells motors, you should start the process now get your permits for selling motors in California on Federally-managed land started in January. Contact the ROC Board via the website if you need any help. Smaller vendors (e.g. you don’t sell motors), stay tuned as we’re going to try to work out an arrangement to get a group permit to allow you to work through ROC to vend.

LDRS40 Registration Information:
LDRS40 Registration will open sometime in January after we get our site up and running, however, here are some planning particulars:

Pre-Registration:
Please consider pre-registering as it helps us with planning for trash, shade, and bathrooms on the lakebed.
You have incentives to pre-register:
1) You won’t have to wait in line to get checked-in,
2) You’ll get a cool, pre-printed badge and lanyard to hold your TRA credentials,
3) You will get an exclusive LDRS40 commemorative pin, and
4) The average flyer will save 50% on the launch fee.
Pre-Registration will close on May 31st, 2022.

Fees:
Non-ROC members:
Pre-Registration will be for the entire event only and will be $30.00.
After May 31st, 2022, the launch fee is $20/day.

ROC members:
LDRS is included in your 2022 membership, pre-registration is requested.
-If you would like to join ROC for $60/calendar year, then visit https://rocstock.org/join/
-We STRONGLY recommend that you join online before the pre-registration period ends as joining at the event will take a long time.

Banquet:
More information to come in January.
We should have more details in January including the location of the host hotel, registration information, and more! The website should go live sometime shortly after the new year.
 
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-CA Motor limits apply…All motors must be CA OSTM-certified, single-motor “M” limit, total vehicle impulse is “N”.
Are you certain that complex N impulse flights are allowed? I thought that I heard that they weren't possible at Lucerne, due to the proximity of the road.
 
I am very sorry...you are correct @Neutron95
While the Tripoli Safe Practices would allow a complex rocket with a total impulse up to 20,480 N-s, the rules in CA require a 15,000 ft launch site dimension which we don't have due to the fact that within the past 5 years, CA247 was categorized as a Major Highway.

I have edited the original post.
 
... Smaller vendors (e.g. you don’t sell motors), stay tuned as we’re going to try to work out an arrangement to get a group permit to allow you to work through ROC to vend.
That would be really cool... we can sell stuff at all of the other nearby launch sites, except ROC. Getting a BLM seller's permit for Lucerne is a pain... tried a few times and gave up on it.
 
Host Hotel and Banquet Information:

Holiday Inn Victorville
15494 Palmdale Road Victorville, CA 92392
Phone 760.245.6565

Just off the 15 freeway at Palmdale Road exit
Google Maps Link: https://goo.gl/maps/j1McWtmxYckyo19a7

Our discounted rate is $129 plus tax

Complimentary Wi-Fi
Complimentary parking

Deadline for making hotel reservations at discounted rate is May 18, 2022

To Make Reservations online, click HERE:
To make reservations by phone, call 760.245.6565 and ask for Rocketry Organization discounted rate of $129

The discounted rate is available 3 days before and after our event for those that want to arrive early or leave late (based hotel availability).

Banquet
Banquet will be held Saturday June 11, 2022, 6:00PM – 10:00PM
Banquet tickets are $50 and must be purchased by May 28, 2022 via the LDRS Registration Page (coming soon)

Banquet tickets are not available on-site. You must be pre-registered/pre-paid; bring your ticket for entry into the banquet

Banquet meal will plated sit-down dinner with a choice of Chicken Marsala or Tri tip
All dishes come with Garlic mashed potatoes, Grilled asparagus, Dinner rolls and a Garden salad plus Dessert, Iced tea and water.
 
@FlyBoy - you do need a permit, and during the Summer, the fire restrictions often are quite serious but vary from year to year. We will keep everyone informed. Also, technically, the permits that are required are from CalFire even though the restriction orders come from BLM. You watch a safety video and then get the permit on your phone. Pretty easy and quick.

More info here: https://rocstock.org/camping-survival/
 
I got my fire permit in about 10 minutes, It's easy and free. Print out a copy to have in your possession, it's good for more than LDRS if you camp in Cali. As usual, you will need a firepit of some kind. There is usually a dumpster rented to reduce the amount of trash you have to pack out. Be advised this is full on 'desert rat' territory. Heat, wind and dust are just part of the formula. Night skies are good. Water and ice are available close in off the lakebed along with some passable restaurants/cafes in town. Heck, a few years ago one of the general stores even sold some 29mm motors! No worries about the club, they have done this before and have an experienced group of rocketeers and are all round good guys to help newbies and hard core alike. Looking forward to seeing old friends and making new ones! Register now and save time/money.
Straight smoke and good chutes!
 
There have been questions about Motor limits…

Motor limits at the ROC launch site are limited by CA law [Title 19, CA Code of Regulations, Chapter 6, §1037].
There is no notion of combination of motors, no notion of complex, no connection to altitude, just total installed impulse.

The total installed impulse limit is 10,240 N-s.

It’s really that simple.
 
See:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/regulations/california/Cal-Code-Regs-Tit-19-SS-1032

§1032. Experimental High Power Rocket Motor Standards and Use.
(a) Experimental high power rocket motor design and construction standards shall comply with all of the following:
(1) The maximum total impulse per rocket motor shall not exceed 10,240 Newtonseconds (2302.2 lb.-seconds).
(2) When more than one rocket motor is utilized, the combined total impulse shall not exceed 20,480 Newton-seconds (4604.4 lb.-seconds).
 
See:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/regulations/california/Cal-Code-Regs-Tit-19-SS-1032

§1032. Experimental High Power Rocket Motor Standards and Use.
(a) Experimental high power rocket motor design and construction standards shall comply with all of the following:
(1) The maximum total impulse per rocket motor shall not exceed 10,240 Newtonseconds (2302.2 lb.-seconds).
(2) When more than one rocket motor is utilized, the combined total impulse shall not exceed 20,480 Newton-seconds (4604.4 lb.-seconds).
That section governs rockets. Section 1037 governs the launch site. The limit is 10,240 N-s.
 
For those who have flown at Lucerne in the past when 20480 N-s flights were allowed, if you look upthread you'll see that this changed because of increased traffic on the road that goes past the site.
 
Here is the reason for no Hybrids at LDRS40.

Folks like to focus on Article 18 of the CA Fireworks regulations, however, those regulations only apply to solid motors per the included definitions, see §980(e)(4). Only solid motors can get an OSTM stamp.

Hybrid-powered rockets are, to the state of CA, the same as liquid-fueled rockets and are covered by Article 16 of the CA Fireworks regulations. You must have a FAR-type of facility to legally fly a hybrid-powered rocket in CA. ROC does not have the necessary facility to fly hybrids.

Note, folks like to focus on the motor…the state of CA focuses on the rocket for anything that’s not classified as a Model Rocket (Article 17) or Experimental High Power Rocket (Article 18).

It doesn’t matter what’s been done in the past, unfortunately.

Apologies for any confusion.
 
Time to check the weather sites if you’re not familiar with Lucerne Dry Lake.

Looking like highs in the high 90s, humidity less than 20%, and near-24 hour winds in the 10 to 15 range. UV at the extreme end of the scale. We might get some relief from wind in the morning, but it is not looking great. Expect afternoon gust 25 to 30 mph.

Bring your tie-downs and plan to fly early…range will open each day at 6AM.
 
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