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#### rocketsonly

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Yes yes, I have read quite a bit about Copperheads (of which some refer to as Crapperheads), and how they take up lots of current.

What's the most copperheads and one has ever ignited in a cluster? I tried three today, and they didn't work. I'm not sure if there was a short somewhere because I used clip whips that had jagged jaws, or if I was attempting to ignite too many copperheads.

#### rocketsonly

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Oh, the battery was one of those large (lead acid I think) ones. I taped opposite sides on the ignitor in two different places. I ended up removing the two outboard motors, and ignited the center one succesfully.

#### xenon

##### Well-Known Member
Errrr......get some better ignitors.

Clustering with copperheads is a definate no no.

Probably with three, most of the time it wouldn't be a cluster, it would just be one motor that would actually light.

Get some good ignitors, others could recomend good ones, but please, please don't use copperheads in a cluster

#### gerbs4me

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I thought you can't use copperheads in clusters

#### Zippy

##### Well-Known Member
So far I have lit off two diffrent composits in 2 motor clusters. Blue Thunder and White Lightning reloads. I used Daveyfire N28B's dipped in Magnelite with a 12 volt system using a motorcycle battery. I had instantanious ignition every time. The N28B's can allso be used for electronics so thats why I went with them.

#### edwardw

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Also, remember that most e-matches require a LEUP to buy.

Edward

#### solrules

##### Well-Known Member
Originally posted by Zippy
So far I have lit off two diffrent composits in 2 motor clusters. Blue Thunder and White Lightning reloads. I used Daveyfire N28B's dipped in Magnelite with a 12 volt system using a motorcycle battery. I had instantanious ignition every time. The N28B's can allso be used for electronics so thats why I went with them.
You may want to try dipping N28F's instead of N28B's. As I remember, I always called the F-flame and the B-bursts. If the match jsut pops really quickly, it may just blow off all of the pyrogen without lighting it. YMMV

#### rocketsonly

##### Well-Known Member
Originally posted by edwardw
Also, remember that most e-matches require a LEUP to buy.

Edward

##### Well-Known Member
I've fired Five Copperheads successfully. They were static, however.

#### n3tjm

##### Papa Elf
Originally posted by rocketsonly
I've got some on their way from Performance Hobbies. Boy are they slow!
You have to be patient with Ken Allen. If you order something from him, you will get it. His Hobbyshop is in a trailer, and he travels, so a lot of times when you call him to place an order, he is on the road. If that is the case, he would say he believes he has them, he is going by memory. But, if he is wrong, he has a new order coming in right away. He always gets stuff in. Another problem I have found is how slow the mail is... The longest I waited was over a week, almost two weeks, and I know he mailed the package the day I ordered it. I imagine e-matches are shipped by UPS also, they can be slow to if going by ground.

Use Magnelite igniters. I have over 99.9% ignition sucess rate with them, and they are GREAT for clusters. Even better than FirstFires. Largest motor cluster I have done with them is seven G35's in my American Spirit.