Ford F-150 vs. Toyota Tundra

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Love the F150 Raptor. Fantastic truck for the first 60,000ish miles then things start failing. If I could afford to trade in my trucks every 3 years I'd take the Raptor every time. Unfortunately I don't have that luxury. My vehicles need to go 200K+ without too much headache that you are not getting in anything Ford, Chevy or Dodge makes. .

For my money it's the Tundra.
 
Ditto. Ford seem to have adopted the 'lease' mind-set, and make their vehicles last 3-5yrs or 80kmiles, which ever comes first. Then they just fall apart..
 
I just traded in my 9 year old 2012 Tundra with 110k miles. It was still going strong with nothing wrong, just very dated and inefficient (14.7mpg!!!) Before that, I had a 4Runner for 15 years and 228k miles before the transmission cooler decided to leak and make "pink milkshake" and trash the transmission.
 
I have a Ford Ranger Edge and at about 130k started having issues. I want to get another truck, but they are pretty expensive. My truck is 16 yrs old right now. I want to get a 4x4 and was thinking a Toyota, but maybe the Tacoma?? This way if I take a trip to the mountains I don't need chains.
 
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For many years Consumer Reports has given the thumbs-up on most Toyotas and Hondas, for their low cost and high reliability. Having broken down halfway through a 700 mile drive...immediately after a hurricane passed through the area and flooded it....reliability is my #1 requirement. Doubt I'm gonna buy a truck but if I did it'd probably be a Toyota.

Best -- Terry
 
I bought my 2012 Tundra Rock Warrior new and just hit 120,000 miles on it. Love it. I've done probably 20,000 miles of travel trailer towing with it. Still going strong.
 
I’ve had one Ranger, one F100, four F150’s, one F250(7.3 diesel), and one Bronco since 1988......I’ve also had one ‘01 Tacoma, and one ‘12 Tacoma in the mix. They have all been great trucks, for their intended uses.

Somehow, I always end up back in a Ford. Currently wheeling a 2015 F150 super crew King Ranch(bought three years old, can’t afford new anymore!) that is an amazingly comfortable whip. However, I would not do with this truck, what I once did with my ‘95 F150. They just aren’t built the same.

If you want a tough truck today, in my opinion, you have to go 3/4 ton or up.
 
Still driving an '87 F150, she's at about 344k miles. I bought it in '97 with around 64k

About 100k ago I replaced the rear bearings and noticed the axles were starting to wear. Saturday I got around to swapping them out. Something to be said for being able to fix anything that breaks on it

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Winston said:
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I had a Ford F-150. Before that a Toyota.

In the first 60K miles on the F-150, the air conditioner failed twice. Then the transmission failed. Truck was driven mostly on the street, no towing or heavy loads. Replaced it with a Toyota.

No more Fords.
 
I used to have well-used Chevy 3/4 ton (before kids) and then traded for a minivan, and then a Ford Explorer that could tow *and* seat eight. But now that the kids are all big I'm driving a 2010 half ton GMC extended cab, long (8 ft) bed. It was ten years old when I bought it and I haven't really had any problems with it other than a weird electrical gremlin that appears occasionally (but I think we finally found the source and it's been behaving ever since). The fuel economy (14 to 17 mpg highway w/o trailer) isn't as good as the new ones, but its better than I was getting in my Explorer. Our son's new Chevy 3/4 ton gets twice that but I'm sure that he paid at least four times as much as I did for the truck.
 
I'm on my third Tundra and zero issues so far. Both my son's drive Tundras so that makes five with zero issues other than standard maintenance. Most all trucks now a days are built well up to around 100,000 miles, but the Tundras just keep on rolling. A plus benefit to Tundra ownership besides low cost is on the backside.... resale/trade value!

There are trucks that get better gas milage and there are trucks that will pull more, trucks with more bells, whistles and gimmicks, but they don't do what a Tundra does overall in the life of a half/three quarter ton truck.
 
I had an 89 Chevy Silverado with 1 million 96 thousand miles on it when I traded it in during the cash for clunkers program. Never did any major engine work, replaced a couple of radiators, a couple of alternators, wore out the shift lever, the brake pedal, and the accelerator pedal. It was a great truck but the paint started to wear off and all of the inside plastic started getting brittle and cracking. Of course over the years did all of the routine maintenance and replaced the stuff that wore out. Always changed the oil every 3000 miles and never used nothing but Havoline 30 wt. oil from the very beginning. It had just started to smoke a little on startup when the transmission went and it was going to cost $4000 to replace it. So that was in 2009 I replaced it with a new Tacoma pre-runner that I still drive today and it has 318 thousand miles on it and still going strong. Every time I climb into that truck I feel like I'm climbing into the cockpit of a jet fighter and strapping it on. It's been a great little truck and it gets me where I need to be. I also have a 2005 Silverado 2500HD Duramax with 80,000 towing miles on it and it's been a great truck.

So now I'm looking to replace the Taco with either a F-150 or a Tundra, I like the Tundra but I do wish Toyota would update it some the cab really seems like it's more like early 2000's. I've had Ford 150's before and had good luck with them so I will be doing some shopping.

You might say why not go with a new Chevy well two reasons, One I don't really care for their new designs and Two I don't care the GM's Politics these days.

And for all of those folks that think electric vehicles are going to replace what's on the roads today all I can say is keep on dreaming. They will have a place don't get me wrong but not on the scale that they are hoping for in the near future.

When I was a kid back in the 60's they were telling us the that by the 80's we would be driving around like George Jetson in flying cars. Well it's 2021 and you can see how far that has gone.

Just my .02 cents :)

Cheers
 
I have been longing for a new truck. Would really like a new Tacoma but I am worried that the frame won't hold up since it is obviously made of solid gold!
My last truck was a 1984 S10. Great little truck for hauling the motorcycle to the track and back and general driver.
Before that was a 1971 Chevy C10 Cheyenne Super, LOADED, tilt-wheel am/fm...
If I had my wish I would have exactly that truck back, without the through-floor ventilation :) that allowed you to monitor the road stripes by the drivers door sill.
 
Back_at_it said:
Love the F150 Raptor. Fantastic truck for the first 60,000ish miles then things start failing. If I could afford to trade in my trucks every 3 years I'd take the Raptor every time. Unfortunately I don't have that luxury. My vehicles need to go 200K+ without too much headache that you are not getting in anything Ford, Chevy or Dodge makes. .

For my money it's the Tundra.
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I don't know about the new ones. I probably will never own a new truck my remaining years.
But my "98" Range is closing in on 400,000 miles. Many of those are 80mph on the freeway when I was working.
Faithfully changed the oil every 3000 miles (about every 3 weeks).
Gave it what it needed when it needed it. Tune ups, tires, alignment.
Grease jobs are very important, weekend ritual. Still has the original U Joint in it.
I've never had good luck with automatic transmissions. So I've stuck to manual for decades.
But now they are getting as rare as dinosaurs!
I can't knock Ford, for lots of reasons.
When the bail outs were handed out, Ford passed and made it just fine.
I will say deciding to stop sales on cars in the USA and turn more to the SUV lines was probably buyer motivated, I think they still should have a class of cars including station wagons.
But...I guess that's just because of the era I grew up in, and we always had a station wagon.
3 seaters were cools where the 3rd seat faced backwords.
But my Father was a MOPAR man, until I talked him into a Taurus Wagon.
Then, he too, was hooked on ford. That's all he bought in his final years.
But, while the F-150's are put together in South Africa, Toyota's are put together with American Hands.
It all comes down to the individual and what they want, how they drive, and how they go about maintenance.
Everything needs maintenance, if you do it yourself or you opt to pay to have it done.
I've always done what I could do (including rebuilding engines), but I won't mess with computer stuff.
I'd love to have my "65" Impala back. 4 door, straight 6, 3 on the tree, 30mpg...
 
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Scotty just did another video about how Tundras will no longer offer V-8s and will instead use turbo-charged V-6s, so I'd never buy one anyway. As he has pointed out in the past, the greater simplicity of normally aspirated engines is the way to go.
 
The Tundra's 5.7L V8 is a great engine but its horrible for gas mileage. I was getting 14.7mph average on mine over the 9 years I had it. Few years ago a co-worker got an F-150 with their Ecoboost which is a 3.5L turbo-charged V-6. He was getting the same power out as my V-8 but he was getting 21mpg average. Adding the turbo will shorten the over-all life but if you're only expecting 5 to 7 years on a modern F-150 anyway...

Seeing Toyota drop that 5.7L V-8 in favor for a turbo V-6 is probably a good selling point for them. They had to make some kind of change since the 2012 Tundra I had is almost exactly the same as the 2021 Tundra that you can buy now. I'd rather see them switch to a turbo diesel but that's not going to happen.
 
Woody's Workshop said:
I don't know about the new ones. I probably will never own a new truck my remaining years.
But my "98" Range is closing in on 400,000 miles. Many of those are 80mph on the freeway when I was working.
Faithfully changed the oil every 3000 miles (about every 3 weeks).
Gave it what it needed when it needed it. Tune ups, tires, alignment.
Grease jobs are very important, weekend ritual. Still has the original U Joint in it.
I've never had good luck with automatic transmissions. So I've stuck to manual for decades.
But now they are getting as rare as dinosaurs!
I can't knock Ford, for lots of reasons.
When the bail outs were handed out, Ford passed and made it just fine.
I will say deciding to stop sales on cars in the USA and turn more to the SUV lines was probably buyer motivated, I think they still should have a class of cars including station wagons.
But...I guess that's just because of the era I grew up in, and we always had a station wagon.
3 seaters were cools where the 3rd seat faced backwords.
But my Father was a MOPAR man, until I talked him into a Taurus Wagon.
Then, he too, was hooked on ford. That's all he bought in his final years.
But, while the F-150's are put together in South Africa, Toyota's are put together with American Hands.
It all comes down to the individual and what they want, how they drive, and how they go about maintenance.
Everything needs maintenance, if you do it yourself or you opt to pay to have it done.
I've always done what I could do (including rebuilding engines), but I won't mess with computer stuff.
I'd love to have my "65" Impala back. 4 door, straight 6, 3 on the tree, 30mpg...
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My 2004 Ford Ranger EDGE has been pretty good for the most part, but at some point I've replaced just about everything on the truck and I'm at 185k right now. I agree I prefer manual transmissions. Just wish my truck was a 4x4. Not even sure correct me if I'm wrong if you can get a 4x4 with a manual transmission? I think a lot of them came with automatics? Not sure? My sister has a Ford Ranger like mine, but's a few years newer 2007 I think that hopefully I'll be able to buy it and its a 4x4. New rangers not real excited about the body or the price.
 
heada said:
The Tundra's 5.7L V8 is a great engine but its horrible for gas mileage. I was getting 14.7mph average on mine over the 9 years I had it. Few years ago a co-worker got an F-150 with their Ecoboost which is a 3.5L turbo-charged V-6. He was getting the same power out as my V-8 but he was getting 21mpg average. Adding the turbo will shorten the over-all life but if you're only expecting 5 to 7 years on a modern F-150 anyway...

Seeing Toyota drop that 5.7L V-8 in favor for a turbo V-6 is probably a good selling point for them. They had to make some kind of change since the 2012 Tundra I had is almost exactly the same as the 2021 Tundra that you can buy now. I'd rather see them switch to a turbo diesel but that's not going to happen.
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I’m going to question the mileage on that eco boost. We have a 2018 explorer with the same motor that is lighter and arguably more aerodynamic than the 150 and we have never seen better than 19mpg with the cruise set at 70 on the highway. Around town we’re in the 16/17 mpg range.


My buddy has a 2019 150 ecoboost and is constantly complaining it only gets 17mpg.
 
I think the key is keeping the go pedal as mild as possible. I have a '15 F150 with the 5.0 V8, and routinely see around 20mpg on my relatively flat drive to and from work, cruise set at 68-70, and on-ramp acceleration kept mild. Bear in mind, when the Oklahoma wind comes sweeping down the plains, that number goes down or up accordingly! Tailwind vs headwind...... 😅 I do get some dirty looks from the speeders passing me, though. 🤷
 
Here is my Desert Assault Tundra parked next to a Taco. It's a 2018 TRD/SR5 5.7L with the 10,000 pound towing package. Bed cover is solid carbon fiber coated Aluminum that "Back Flips" open. Can hold 400 pounds on top of it. Back Rack and under the cover a Flip Box tool box that can be moved anywhere along the internal rail or emptied and folded up all the way to the rear. In the Cab the rear contains under-seat lockable storage with purpose design to also be able to hold 2 long guns [passage way between the two compartments allows the barrels to go all the way across. A bed extender allows you to keep the tail gate open and "Solid Fence In" cargo, say a very long surf board.

I discovered shortly after getting it home that it has a "Haul" button on a YouTube video, when pressed it takes out the Factory "Nannies" in the engine tune and gives you a high performance Torque Tune that makes the Truck Roar and Haul; so no need for an aftermarket engine tuner. But of course that makes MPG go down when activated.

Equipped with Yaesu ftm-400xd vhf/uhf FM and Fusion Digital 2way ham radio, ft-891 remote head for 1mhz-30mhz SSB/AM HF Two-Way radio. The 5' antenna on the back bed rail is for while mobile. A telescopic 18' whip can be installed parked in mins. Also have a standard 102" whip can be installed for mobile use and attach a small dune buggy flag.

Not shown is the 4 bay automatic elevation Box Rocket Launcher mounted to the bed top ;)

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Art Upton said:
Here is my Desert Assault Tundra parked next to a Taco. It's a 2018 TRD/SR5 5.7L with the 10,000 pound towing package. Bed cover is solid carbon fiber coated Aluminum that "Back Flips" open.
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I though carbon fiber corroded aluminum. Is that not the case?

Best -- Terry
 
Yikes, I didn't know they were moving the Tundra to a turbo V6. My 2013 (4.6 V8, not the 5.7) just crossed 100k, so I figured I had 5-7 more years on it, but I might consider getting one with a NA V8 while they are still available. . . But I really don't want a new truck. This one has been awesome so far. Mild transmission concern in the back of my head (the shift points/sureness changed in the past 1000 miles), but otherwise it is a great truck.

My brother has a Chevy with the turbo 4 cylinder. His lifetime mileage avg is around 21.8. He hauls a race car trailer about 15 times a year (about 3000 miles total) the rest is highway mileage. My Tundra has a lifetime average of 18.7 mpg, I've pulled a small enclosed trailer about 2000 miles total. His average before he got back into racing was low 30's. . .We both drive watching the MPG and are less aggressive than most people. He does a ton of highway miles as well. . .

Sandy.
 
prfesser said:
I though carbon fiber corroded aluminum. Is that not the case?

Best -- Terry
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Not in this design, it is a proven product over time. Probably depends on the finish of both materials that are not done that way in rocket construction.
 
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Back story, I had a 2008 New large body Silverado. I bought the 100,000 10 year warrantee at a great price. FYI during the 2008 money crisis I got the 37K truck for 23K cash. Good thing I got the warrantee. I had 6" of warranty paperwork after 10 years, including things like corroded trans and oil cooler lines , front to back wiring harnesses , their radiators and I was told the brake lines were next. The frame was rusting out very bad at 10 years old and the engine used 1 quart of oil every 1500 miles.

I originally was going to put a Crate motor in it and rebuild things and I thru the towel at it and bought a reliable truck that I need to last to the end now when I can't drive anymore, the Tundra.
 
Art Upton said:
Here is my Desert Assault Tundra parked next to a Taco. It's a 2018 TRD/SR5 5.7L with the 10,000 pound towing package. Bed cover is solid carbon fiber coated Aluminum that "Back Flips" open. Can hold 400 pounds on top of it. Back Rack and under the cover a Flip Box tool box that can be moved anywhere along the internal rail or emptied and folded up all the way to the rear. In the Cab the rear contains under-seat lockable storage with purpose design to also be able to hold 2 long guns [passage way between the two compartments allows the barrels to go all the way across. A bed extender allows you to keep the tail gate open and "Solid Fence In" cargo, say a very long surf board.

I discovered shortly after getting it home that it has a "Haul" button on a YouTube video, when pressed it takes out the Factory "Nannies" in the engine tune and gives you a high performance Torque Tune that makes the Truck Roar and Haul; so no need for an aftermarket engine tuner. But of course that makes MPG go down when activated.

Equipped with Yaesu ftm-400xd vhf/uhf FM and Fusion Digital 2way ham radio, ft-891 remote head for 1mhz-30mhz SSB/AM HF Two-Way radio. The 5' antenna on the back bed rail is for while mobile. A telescopic 18' whip can be installed parked in mins. Also have a standard 102" whip can be installed for mobile use and attach a small dune buggy flag.

Not shown is the 4 bay automatic elevation Box Rocket Launcher mounted to the bed top ;)

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Awesome truck. But where does the drone swarm hive fit? 😉
 

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