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Arsenal78 said:
I can understand a price hike when production is down, but when production comes up, prices should go back down. It'll balance out in the end if they know what they're doing.
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That statement makes ZERO sense (prices don't change in the middle of a production run)!

As do many of the complaints above: yo'll want infinite availability from ALL the vendors, bearing infinite inventory cost, AND low prices to go with it.

I know this is a free-for-all internet forum, but common folks, apply a common sense filter before you post something silly!

In the meantime, Marry Xmas to all the vendors and all the flyers!

a
 
Prices don't change in the middle of a production run? How about the 45-55 price increase that was mentioned just above? THAT'S A PRICE CHANGE. Bottom line is, don't charge more for the same product.
 
afadeev said:
That statement makes ZERO sense (prices don't change in the middle of a production run)!

As do many of the complaints above: yo'll want infinite availability from ALL the vendors, bearing infinite inventory cost, AND low prices to go with it.

I know this is a free-for-all internet forum, but common folks, apply a common sense filter before you post something silly!

In the meantime, Marry Xmas to all the vendors and all the flyers!

a
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Don't worry, be happy... that all of this stuff even exists so that we can argue about it!
 
Arsenal78 said:
Prices don't change in the middle of a production run? How about the 45-55 price increase that was mentioned just above? THAT'S A PRICE CHANGE. Bottom line is, don't charge more for the same product.
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The thing is AT has been charging the same price for the 24/40 system for 17 years. In all that time, the workers producing this stuff, secretaries, machinists etc. get raises... inflation... overall costs trend up and so on. It's commendable they could keep it at 45 bucks this long. A price increase of this kind is inevitable. If they'd been upping the price .5 - 1 dollar a year, it'd be the same price as of this moment anyway... it's just that it wouldn't have been as obvious... like a frog in a pot of cold water on the stove ;-)

If you bought 24/40 hardware at $45 last year, you can sell it for $50 and make a profit LOL
 
DeltaVee said:
The thing is AT has been charging the same price for the 24/40 system for 17 years. In all that time, the workers producing this stuff, secretaries, machinists etc. get raises... inflation... overall costs trend up and so on. It's commendable they could keep it at 45 bucks this long. A price increase of this kind is inevitable. If they'd been upping the price .5 - 1 dollar a year, it'd be the same price as of this moment anyway... it's just that it wouldn't have been as obvious... like a frog in a pot of cold water on the stove ;-)

If you bought 24/40 hardware at $45 last year, you can sell it for $50 and make a profit LOL
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My guess is another factor in the price increase is an increase in raw material costs. Aluminum has gotten a lot more expensive recently, and I'm thinking that may have some contribution to the increased hardware costs at least.
 
Aluminum has shot up for various reasons. R45 and AP have also been going up. It sucks, but it's just how it is. As a research guy, I've seen costs go up 50% in a year for some things. It has me leaning towards hybrid and sugar, not that those don't come with other tradeoffs. BP motors have also shot up more than I'd like.
 
Merry Christmas my man Charlie , Gary and Karl and the AT staff.

My range box is packed with AT goodies as non haz reloads are fairly cost effective and easily replaced ..which is good because we dont have a regular onsite vendor for TRA prefuncture #5.

Have seen some other changes this year..most RMS reloads are shipping with long delays, in dms style pkg instead of bags, and have seen updated instructions too.

Also seen some progress with orphan cases like the 24/60 with a multiple loads now.

I am glad your composite Es dont start at $16.99, am glad you pay Kalifornia fire marshall, and have hobby size LPR motors, HPR , and even a 98mm O that doesnt require hardware.

Kenny
 
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Thanks to Charlie and all the rest of the AT family.

I am grateful to have a beautiful spread (lookin at Tim for his crazy awesome members sale), for the first quarter of the next year, of AT fire.

2019 is gunna be awesome.

Nate
 
In 2011 29/40-120 hardware was readily available for $35 or less. I bought 3 for $27 each to use in my 4-29SS. First flight on 4 29/40-120 motors was October, 2011. Retail at the time was $39.99.
 
Rocketjunkie said:
In 2011 29/40-120 hardware was readily available for $35 or less. I bought 3 for $27 each to use in my 4-29SS. First flight on 4 29/40-120 motors was October, 2011. Retail at the time was $39.99.
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First off Merry Christmas, or Happy holidays .
Last year the retail was not 39.99 you might have paid that but, that is what it was being sold for on the internet the retail changed last year from $64.99 to $69.99
Hobby linc somehow was able to sell Aerotech stuff at 30-35% off retail , ship it illegally, "priority mail" so everyone thought that was retail and everyone could do it.
I did follow suit and so did several other vendors ,trying not to loose customers ,but nobody was making any money and several were loosing money including hobby linc .
Since then Hobby linc stopped and so did all the other vendors that i know off .
Now you are actually paying retail prices unless you get them on sale or in some kind of ("discount club" shameless plug) Aerotech just raised the retail price $5 on the 29/40-120.
Nobody is getting rich in this hobby that i know of .
 
WILDMANRS said:
Last year the retail was not 39.99 you might have paid that but, that is what it was being sold for on the internet the retail changed last year from $64.99 to $69.99
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I bought 3 complete motors in 2011 for $27 each. The retail in 2011 was $39.99. I don't know the retail or discounted prices last year. BTW, no propellant so I don't know where your illegal shipping comment came from :)
 
Well no one is going to get an argument from me along any line in this thread.

Just wanted to say Merry Christmas to everyone at AeroTech. Thanks for all your efforts to help make this hobby fun and exciting, all the while keeping it as safe as humanly possible.

Peace,
Tobor
 
Rocketjunkie said:
I bought 3 complete motors in 2011 for $27 each. The retail in 2011 was $39.99. I don't know the retail or discounted prices last year. BTW, no propellant so I don't know where your illegal shipping comment came from :)
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Check back to post #2708... there is a AT order form from 2001. The msrp on the 24/40 was $44.95. That would be considered non-discounted or "retail" price. Anything less is the discount price. The msrp on this unit today is 54.95 or something close. Now if vendors offering small discounts (and that'd be around $5.00 which is what I see from some even now) that makes some sense. But full retail price is what is also known as msrp... at least that's how I've always interpreted it. I suppose retail could also be considered "the going rate"... whatever. But I think AT did a great job holding the line on price.
 
Rocketjunkie said:
I bought 3 complete motors in 2011 for $27 each. The retail in 2011 was $39.99. I don't know the retail or discounted prices last year. BTW, no propellant so I don't know where your illegal shipping comment came from :)
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I don’t know where you are getting your numbers from but if you go back a page or 2 in this thread you can plainly see a retail price list from 2001 and the 29/40-120 is listed at $49.99 .
 
What is the purpose of this thread??? I am newish to this forum and have only been flying rockets for a couple of years. I was hoping to learn some things from seasoned rocket people. I clearly remember when I got my L1 cert for HPR everyone said "Welcome to High Power Rocketry!" HPR means "high price rocketry", get your wallet out!!! This thread seems to be 92 pages of winning and crying about the fact that bigger rockets and motors cost money and parts may not allows be available. Thought winning and crying wasn't allowed in HP rockets... Estes makes some cheap A motors and then there is play dough and checkers and such...
 
Back on page 89 I asked if prices officially went up. And asked for an updated motor matrix sheet with the prices. I regret my part in starting the price “discussion”.

I look forward to getting the right weather, field, and rocket together in the new year.

Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas and has a Happy New Year. Peace!
 
BLH said:
What is the purpose of this thread??? I am newish to this forum and have only been flying rockets for a couple of years. I was hoping to learn some things from seasoned rocket people. I clearly remember when I got my L1 cert for HPR everyone said "Welcome to High Power Rocketry!" HPR means "high price rocketry", get your wallet out!!! This thread seems to be 92 pages of winning and crying about the fact that bigger rockets and motors cost money and parts may not allows be available. Thought winning and crying wasn't allowed in HP rockets... Estes makes some cheap A motors and then there is play dough and checkers and such...
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It all starts "a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away" on Page 1 of this thread . . .

As for the "crying & whining", this is the 21st Century . . . It's EVERYWHERE, nowadays . . . There are no "trigger warnings" in Rocketry ( yet ) !

Dave F.
 
BLH said:
What is the purpose of this thread??? I am newish to this forum and have only been flying rockets for a couple of years. I was hoping to learn some things from seasoned rocket people. I clearly remember when I got my L1 cert for HPR everyone said "Welcome to High Power Rocketry!" HPR means "high price rocketry", get your wallet out!!! This thread seems to be 92 pages of winning and crying about the fact that bigger rockets and motors cost money and parts may not allows be available. Thought winning and crying wasn't allowed in HP rockets... Estes makes some cheap A motors and then there is play dough and checkers and such...
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It's no crying in baseball! Nobody said anything about rockets.
 
Anybody heard anything further on the M1955DM for the 75/7680 case, I have a rocket I would love to fly it in next year and it looks like its only been demo'd so far?
 
rharshberger said:
Anybody heard anything further on the M1955DM for the 75/7680 case, I have a rocket I would love to fly it in next year and it looks like its only been demo'd so far?
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How long ago was this? I just bought a 75/7680 case. Also looking to get an 75-RAS to expand the motors I can use with it.
 
Wanted to give a shout out to AT warranty services. I got a replacement hobbyline 29/40-120 in the mail plus a new G64-7W reload to replace the one that blew the old case. The new cases come with the lighter colored aft closure that is the same as my "early" versions of the 29-40/120. I believe the limited run of the darker aft ring that has different threading is an anomaly. I'll just keep the components to that case separate from the others.

Thanks Gary and others!
 
swatkat said:
Wanted to give a shout out to AT warranty services. I got a replacement hobbyline 29/40-120 in the mail plus a new G64-7W reload to replace the one that blew the old case. The new cases come with the lighter colored aft closure that is the same as my "early" versions of the 29-40/120. I believe the limited run of the darker aft ring that has different threading is an anomaly. I'll just keep the components to that case separate from the others.

Thanks Gary and others!
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Once a case has CATO'd don't use any of the parts is what I have always been told, even if the closures look okay.
 
I'm building a fiberglass kit with a 29mm motor mount. I'm thinking of using some AT "G" motors for first flights. I have 29/180 hardware and the 29RAS. Am I correct in saying I can use the 29/120 reloads in this case with the spacers from the RAS? What about 29/100?
 
tOD said:
I'm building a fiberglass kit with a 29mm motor mount. I'm thinking of using some AT "G" motors for first flights. I have 29/180 hardware and the 29RAS. Am I correct in saying I can use the 29/120 reloads in this case with the spacers from the RAS? What about 29/100?
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Yes ish... If your combined weight of reload and extra case aren't too heavy for safe lift off weight. Keep in mind any sim program won't include the extra weight of the larger casing and spacers.
 

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