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Homeless people...are they scam artist or really need help.
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Why not offer these people jobs such as picking up trash in parks and along side of roadways and highways. Keeping our community clean and those who participate are given shelter and food for the evening and a some of money for helping. I think that's a good idea, but like you said you offered to buy them groceries and they turned it down. Who's willing to work and get out of their situation.
Unlucky ?? Change it and make your own luck! How long do these people think they should be homeless while they litter our neighborhoods with their trash and shopping carts. For me they are an eye sore and need to be dealt with or locked away.
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Unfortunately, I do not have the ability to hire someone to clean parks. You will have to take that up with your city or county leadsership. Here they use prisoners.
Last night I'm out walking my dog at this park I go to that's about 15 miles away from my home. I could go to one of the parks within a 2-3 miles radius of my house, but I don't, why? Because homeless hang out there and in large numbers 6-12 sometimes more. As I mentioned before they leave trash, shopping carts and garbage in the parks and never clean up after themselves, yet there are plenty of trash cans within 10-20 feet of where they were at. One time I found a straight edge blade in the grass. Yeah that's real nice especially if someone's dog steps on it or eats it or a person steps on it. That I reported to the park services. I tossed the blade, but wanted to make sure someone knew about it. So this is why I drive the extra miles to have an enjoyable walk in a large beautiful park.
So back to my story and sorry for the side tracking. Anyway I've been going to this park for about a year and I noticed this one guy always hanging out there and he is clearly homeless. I spoke with him a few times and he said he is waiting on a 25 million dollar settlement from Disneyland and I'm like whatever you're high dude, but he seemed harmless enough. The park is also bordered by a horse trail that extends beyond the park parameters and most of the time I walk my dog along this trail.
So last night I see this guy again and haven’t talked to him in several weeks, but thought best just to avoid him all together. As I’m finishing up my walk I decided to let the employee at the gate know that there is someone that is homeless in the park and I gave him the exact location and a description of him. I explained to him that he’s been coming to the park for a while that I know of, but has been flying below the radar. I also told him I never had any real issues with the guy, but just wanted to make them aware of the situation. He said he would send a ranger out there this week and look into it.
This park charges a fee to get into which I don’t mind paying, in fact I have a yearly pass, so I support the park and help pay to keep it clean, so I feel buy not reporting it would only make matters worse, because if one person felt they could get away with it then more would be there and it would end up like the other parks I no longer go to.
Call me what you want, but I don’t care. I feel people shouldn’t turn a blind eye to things like this and get them resolved. This is why we have the problems we do.
Yet on the other hand my sister saw this homeless guy cleaning up an area where she lives of trash and pine needles alongside of the road, something the city should be doing. He had a sign that read “Can you help donate to my cause” now I commend this guy. She stopped and thanked him and gave him $10 and I would have given him $20 why? Because he is doing something for the community and he’s not just whining about his situation and begging for a hand out. He wants to work and make money. I bet he’s hungry as well. These are the people who are truly the ones worth helping. They are tired of being homeless and they want help, but our cities don’t see this. This is something that would make a good news story and hopefully get the message out to others.
So back to my story and sorry for the side tracking. Anyway I've been going to this park for about a year and I noticed this one guy always hanging out there and he is clearly homeless. I spoke with him a few times and he said he is waiting on a 25 million dollar settlement from Disneyland and I'm like whatever you're high dude, but he seemed harmless enough. The park is also bordered by a horse trail that extends beyond the park parameters and most of the time I walk my dog along this trail.
So last night I see this guy again and haven’t talked to him in several weeks, but thought best just to avoid him all together. As I’m finishing up my walk I decided to let the employee at the gate know that there is someone that is homeless in the park and I gave him the exact location and a description of him. I explained to him that he’s been coming to the park for a while that I know of, but has been flying below the radar. I also told him I never had any real issues with the guy, but just wanted to make them aware of the situation. He said he would send a ranger out there this week and look into it.
This park charges a fee to get into which I don’t mind paying, in fact I have a yearly pass, so I support the park and help pay to keep it clean, so I feel buy not reporting it would only make matters worse, because if one person felt they could get away with it then more would be there and it would end up like the other parks I no longer go to.
Call me what you want, but I don’t care. I feel people shouldn’t turn a blind eye to things like this and get them resolved. This is why we have the problems we do.
Yet on the other hand my sister saw this homeless guy cleaning up an area where she lives of trash and pine needles alongside of the road, something the city should be doing. He had a sign that read “Can you help donate to my cause” now I commend this guy. She stopped and thanked him and gave him $10 and I would have given him $20 why? Because he is doing something for the community and he’s not just whining about his situation and begging for a hand out. He wants to work and make money. I bet he’s hungry as well. These are the people who are truly the ones worth helping. They are tired of being homeless and they want help, but our cities don’t see this. This is something that would make a good news story and hopefully get the message out to others.
Sadly, most of the homeless with whom I have had contact are mentally unstable. Many are on drugs and alcohol, burned out and incapable of doing a job.
It is a challenge to me, as a Bible-believer, to know what to do. The Bible commends giving to the poor, but in those days, generally speaking, people were beggars if they could not work. Unable to see, hear, walk, talk, etc. It was just understood that the community would take care of them. They would sit in the city gates or by the temple, and people would hand them a penny as they walked by.
But the Bible is not clear on what to do when people are homeless by choice, homeless by addiction, homeless by refusal to work. So I give to shelters and let them figure it out. But we have to be careful never to assume that all homeless people are there by their own doing, and use that as an excuse not to help.
It is a challenge to me, as a Bible-believer, to know what to do. The Bible commends giving to the poor, but in those days, generally speaking, people were beggars if they could not work. Unable to see, hear, walk, talk, etc. It was just understood that the community would take care of them. They would sit in the city gates or by the temple, and people would hand them a penny as they walked by.
But the Bible is not clear on what to do when people are homeless by choice, homeless by addiction, homeless by refusal to work. So I give to shelters and let them figure it out. But we have to be careful never to assume that all homeless people are there by their own doing, and use that as an excuse not to help.
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For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”
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Sorry Afterbuners, but it ain't so simple. Its easy to preach almighty and "know" they should have done better.. A very myopic view..
Go tell that to the girl who's been physically abused since she was .. young .. by Dad, and a mum who turned a blind eye. Heck, let's talk certain churches, ministers, Jr. hockey coaches, and residential schools of the 40's, 50's and 60's, and not talk about abuse / abusive power..
The verbal abuse she suffered all thru school made her feel low, and she resorted to a chemical escape, to lessen the pain & try to deal with it..
She got kicked out of the house at 16, now on her own, needing to live. and is now trying to live, and knows only one way to make $$$..
How is this abusive childhood her fault? How did she make poor choices, with what she was given as role models & a support system?!
Her addiction was her escape, and now she wants to change, but she's been a smack head or junkie for the past decade.. it's very physical, she 'needs' it like we need food & oxygen.
How is the abuse suffered by a woman who did once meet a nice man, but he has since come down with his own troubles and takes it out on her.. How is that her fault for trying to stay and 'keep it together'? (or once did 'escape' only to be severely reprimanded!)
How is it that the 56yr old engineer who moved across the country to get a 'good job' gets laid off, only to soon find he keeps loosing out to the 30 yr old crowd coming out of school.. soon, he's on death's door, and no means to support himself or..
Before you make a statement like that, go sit in at an AA or DA meeting, go spend an hour / volunteer at the local "safe injection site"..
Sorry, having been close to this "lifestyle" and seen people go thru it, it's hard to take the notion that it's "their fault". You don't know their story..
I was homeless and lived out of my truck for a year and drifted from San Diego to Vegas and I had family and never asked them for anything. I picked myself up and got a job and work my butt off to put some money saved away and get ahead. You don't see me crying the blues. Everyone's at some point has experienced a hard life some worse than others...I lost everything I had twice. Sure it's terrible what some of these people have gone through, but the fact still remains is they can chose the life they wish to lead. Are you going to feel sorry for yourself the rest of your life and cry about how life is so UNFAIR? Blah blah blah.... give me a break! Let's have a pity party and cry about the past! How hard life really was then and now since I haven't done anything for myself it's OK to live on the streets because I have an excuse. I want everyone to feel sorry for me.....blah blah blah
It's still about choices, if they chose drugs or alcohol than that's their choice and they have to live with that. The public shouldn't have to deal with it. Churches are willing to help these people if they decide to make an effort and reach out to them. In fact some churches offer programs that will help these people get cleaned up and place them in jobs, but they still choose to live on the streets and beg for handouts, yet some people here still feel the need to feel so sorry.
Sure I may come across as a very non-compassionate P**** but if I see someone who is homeless who is at least making some effort to do something for the community I commend them. I take my hat for those I see picking up bottles and cans to recycle and get money, but at least they are doing something constructive. So why is so many of you here feel so sorry for these people and feel the need to give them money? If anything all you are doing is enabling them by sending the message it's OK to pan handle, it's OK to sleep in parks and liter the area, it's OK to take a crap or Piss in public, it's OK to become hostile to people who aren't willing to buy into your pity party....please for all of you who are like that ...all I can say is GET A LIFE!!!! Smell the coffee because if you are one of the many that do give you are part of the problem!
What I'm finding out about people is that they can't accept the truth. Life is hard period! Deal with it or you end up where you are at.
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OMG don't feel sorry for me for seeing society for how it really is and being able to see how ridiculous these people really.
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Hmm, think that's the first time I've ever seen that happen on a forum.
As for me, thanks to the combined effects of a few neurological, endocrine, and musculoskeletal diseases which can either play nice or not, and the impact that has on ability to work, in past decades I have been homeless twice.
It would be safe to term it an educational experience.
Q: "Homeless people, are they scam artist or really need help? "
A: "Humans, are they scam artist or really need help?"
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Came to a stop light one morning and noticed one of these characters on the corner. I called him over and gave him a business card to where I worked who was hiring at the time. He immediately became indignant and threw the card on the ground. I told him to p!ss up a rope and never saw him again at that intersection.
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I am the manager at a Ford store and there are a couple of homeless guys who hold a sign at the corner down the hill from us. When they first blew into town maybe 3 years ago they looked much less ragged, and had a small window cleaning operation. They'd come by and offer to wash all the windows in the joint for $20. It was a good value, and they did good work. Several other businesses would hire them too and they got by mostly without panhandling. Then that fell apart the first winter as for six months straight is can be too cold to clean windows. So then they started begging more.
Over the past years I have kind of watched the situation and these guys are not scammers. They are a father and son who have nothing left but each other. The old man is 60 and the younger around 40. They live in tents along the river and look like hell. Here it gets very cold, very hot, and we have a miserable amount of mosquitoes down on the river. They ain't drivin' a BMW, or a Hyundai, or even a Schwinn.
They do drink, but I find it impossible to pass moral judgement here as I myself drink. Oh, and the dad is mentally ill for sure. Crazier than heck. So the son no doubt had a less than optimal upbringing.
If they drop by and ask for $2 or $3 to get Taco Bell, or for a cup of coffee I never turn them away. Here recently they will drop by to pull weeds or sweep up a mess for right around $7-$10 an hour and I always try to have a little work for them to do. They do a better job on that kind of menial stuff than my entitled employees. If I slip them a twenty for pulling two bags of weeds or picking up garbage, they can buy beer with it. Ain't my business.
One more thing I might add - the biggest scammers in the world will never see a street corner. If anyone wants to have a blame-fest (not that I am recommending this) I might suggest a number of deserving targets in government, media, finance, etc. The scale of parasitism is so much higher than some stupid kid scamming for weed money.
Over the past years I have kind of watched the situation and these guys are not scammers. They are a father and son who have nothing left but each other. The old man is 60 and the younger around 40. They live in tents along the river and look like hell. Here it gets very cold, very hot, and we have a miserable amount of mosquitoes down on the river. They ain't drivin' a BMW, or a Hyundai, or even a Schwinn.
They do drink, but I find it impossible to pass moral judgement here as I myself drink. Oh, and the dad is mentally ill for sure. Crazier than heck. So the son no doubt had a less than optimal upbringing.
If they drop by and ask for $2 or $3 to get Taco Bell, or for a cup of coffee I never turn them away. Here recently they will drop by to pull weeds or sweep up a mess for right around $7-$10 an hour and I always try to have a little work for them to do. They do a better job on that kind of menial stuff than my entitled employees. If I slip them a twenty for pulling two bags of weeds or picking up garbage, they can buy beer with it. Ain't my business.
One more thing I might add - the biggest scammers in the world will never see a street corner. If anyone wants to have a blame-fest (not that I am recommending this) I might suggest a number of deserving targets in government, media, finance, etc. The scale of parasitism is so much higher than some stupid kid scamming for weed money.
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It's the old invisible scammer deal. You will find it difficult if not next to impossible to pin point individuals in large, bigger than life organizations as opposed to the little guy standing at a street corner.
Fantastic and I think that's cool...because they are willing to work for it
There are so many "charities" hunting for our $ as well. I have a select two I donate to, the Salvation Army being the main one.
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While it is often annoying to be hit up for cash by aggressive panhandlers, there is a much more serious problem when the professionals get into the act. One glaring example is the fraudulent activity of Claudio Osorio and his allies in the aftermath of the 2010 Haitian earthquake. Look it up.
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Well, I guess the core question here is, which subset are you going to use as the brush to paint the overall set.
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And many, many, things of philosophical and theological nature could be said.
I shall say just one, and say it this way;
If the powers of negativity and darkness are successfully able to use an exceptionally dysfunctional subset as a justifying cause for compassion to be denied to the entire category, then darkness has won and light has lost.
And that is sad.
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And many, many, things of philosophical and theological nature could be said.
I shall say just one, and say it this way;
If the powers of negativity and darkness are successfully able to use an exceptionally dysfunctional subset as a justifying cause for compassion to be denied to the entire category, then darkness has won and light has lost.
And that is sad.
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I suppose I shall say one more theological thing, about a precedent; who has received unmerited grace from whom?
And what is such recipient to do in this life with such grace?
The answer is yes and no. Some are scammers. Others, I am sure are not. A good portion of those who truely need help do not ask because they are ashamed fo their plight.
Interesting article: https://www.ibtimes.com/how-much-do...y-homeless-man-earns-200-hour-sitting-2181312
I think it makes sense to offer them work or food, but not cash.
Interesting article: https://www.ibtimes.com/how-much-do...y-homeless-man-earns-200-hour-sitting-2181312
I think it makes sense to offer them work or food, but not cash.
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I am amazed this thread is still going, much less not locked.
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it came very close..
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