I believe most, if not all states, still do not allow siblings and first cousins to marry. Is this a double standard? Shouldn't marriage equality include incest?
I believe most, if not all states, still do not allow siblings and first cousins to marry. Is this a double standard? Shouldn't marriage equality include incest?
Though no one has chimed in with an opposing view, I assume it is because they are not wanting to stir things up, and not because there aren't people here with opposing views on TRF.
There is nothing in the Constitution that allows the Fed to tinker around in marriage - one way or the other. The Congress stayed away right up until they wanted an income tax, and all the voter constituencies that went with that. Having created the "married, filing jointly" constituency, they have no grounds to deny that to anyone who wishes to claim it. States, on the other hand....
Marriage licenses being issued by the States and not the Fed goes back to the founding of the religious Colonies - which the constitution of the Republic did not force them to cease and desist - meaning each state can choose how they implement the protection/projection of civil rights.
When the SC decided to tell the states to cease choosing to whom they would issue licenses the SC came to the right decision for the wrong reasons. They should have voided "married filing jointly" because it favored some states over others, and refused to create a federal mandate to abrogate the constitutions and laws of the various states that did treat everyone equally when it came to race, sex and everything else except creed.
I know. I'm not a lawyer and some smart-ass is going to tell me that because of some ruling here or there the current stare decisis (sp?) is xy and z. To which I say- "I'm an engineer. Screw your rulings. Go back to original concepts and prove your point or get off my bridge."
CzTeacherMan is retaliating against the "Self Defense" thread started by Ted Macklin. Eventually both will get locked. It is each individual's responsibility not to get him/her/itself banned.
I just realized...
This thread is a battle of the CZs
How about hetero siblings where one or both parties agree to undergo a sterility procedure? Or, just abort. In fact, they could get pregnant as often as they want, and just get a federally funded abortion every time. I can't see any reason to prevent them from marrying. I think this should be the next big civil rights push!
You know- you two aren't too far apart from each other. I propose a drag race.. vmaxes at dawn!
I support marriage equality, the LGBTQ community has as much right to be miserable as anyone else.
In the good book (The Bible) it states marriage is between man and woman, NOT man and man or female and female. If you can show me in the Bible where it says same sex marriage is good then okay then. But guess what you cant because that is not in there. Those people can do whatever they want to do. They can be "pretend" to be married and play house if they want, but at the end of the day in the eyes of GOD they are not married. So states and the government can pass laws to legalize gay marriege but at the end of the day its not really "real"
It's an interesting question. For same-sex marriage between two people, it's an easy equal protection argument. You should treat everyone the same. Since nobody is allowed to have a marriage with more than one person under federal or state law, then it's a harder equal protection argument. And think of the paperwork that would need to be changed!
Note that the "federally funded abortion" doesn't exist (see: Hyde Amendment).
Don't worry, bill2654 will be here any minute.
:lol:here is the perfect weapon for a CZ Battle, a CZ Scorpion! :surprised:View attachment 295627
Oh brother. Here comes the 2nd amendment battle.
I am all for gay marriage, why should we straights be the only ones to suffer???
CzTeacherMan is retaliating against the "Self Defense" thread started by Ted Macklin. Eventually both will get locked. It is each individual's responsibility not to get him/her/itself banned.
I support marriage equality, the LGBTQ community has as much right to be miserable as anyone else.
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