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Pantherjon said:
You sure they are in stock? Have you called and talked to Jerry Irvine? I am pretty sure the answer to both would be 'no'..Let's just say that TRA and USR are not on the same sheet of music and let it rest..You can find a lot of information on that subject elsewhere, but, please don't bring what you find over here...
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Those pages have been up on the USR site forever. There is very little chance that any USR motors will ever be certified for legal sale. I don't know why JI even keeps the site up. The company is moribund.

Mark K.
 
Pantherjon said:
You sure they are in stock? Have you called and talked to Jerry Irvine? I am pretty sure the answer to both would be 'no'..Let's just say that TRA and USR are not on the same sheet of music and let it rest..You can find a lot of information on that subject elsewhere, but, please don't bring what you find over here...
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Yes this is a sore subject you'd be better off to go look it up on Rocketry Planet.It's been beaten to death and no body likes to talk about it much and is the subject of many many flame wars.
 
Pantherjon said:
You sure they are in stock? Have you called and talked to Jerry Irvine? I am pretty sure the answer to both would be 'no'..Let's just say that TRA and USR are not on the same sheet of music and let it rest..You can find a lot of information on that subject elsewhere, but, please don't bring what you find over here...
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So basicly you are saying they are just static, he says they are real but you dint actually think they exist? Is that what you are saying?
 
I just looked on RP and there is only one atricle about those motors they were uncertifyed in....1993!!!!!:y: and now that I think about it those thrust curves do look really phony......
 
IOW, he is alleged to give evasive and contradictory answers about USR. I was not around when all of it happened but I gather that this has been about as radioactive an issue as any that has ever occurred in our hobby. It needs to remain entombed in its long-term disposal facility for the next 10,000 years. Suffice it to say that there are no certified USR motors, and apparently the proprietor does not have the required permits to sell motors anyway. I have the impression that he shows no interest in obtaining them.

Somewhere on one of the USR motor pages is the statement that the listings are kept up on the site "for historical purposes" or something like that and that the motors are not for sale.

Mark K.
 
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It says to stay tuned to see the rerelease if our motor products. But they do have some nice kits, on the warp7 you can put 7 D21's in there and make it go supersonic!
 
ScrapDaddy said:
It says to stay tuned to see the rerelease if our motor products. But they do have some nice kits, on the warp7 you can put 7 D21's in there and make it go supersonic!
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Don't count on seeing any kits, either. You aren't the first person to come across that site and think that the stuff looked interesting. Granted that the pages can make for entertaining reading. But look around the forum and try to count how many USR build threads you find.

Mark K.
 
Ohh so basicly the website it a static display? I looked at all of their kit pages and that was the only one that intrested me, their ordering system is outdated to say the least...... I'll order something from there and see where that goes.... Wish me luck.....and didn't I tell you that I like clusters? Wait a minute I know how to solve the case if micromeister has a Warp7 then the company must be real.........

So you are saying it would be like me setting up a website and saying I was sellling a G10000 motor (which is not possible due to the minimum Burn time...I think) but telling everyone that they would be temperarily unavailible due to certification troubles?
 
ScrapDaddy said:
Ohh so basicly the website it a static display? I looked at all of their kit pages and that was the only one that intrested me, their ordering system is outdated to say the least...... I'll order something from there and see where that goes.... Wish me luck.....and didn't I tell you that I like clusters? Wait a minute I know how to solve the case if micromeister has a Warp7 then the company must be real.........

So you are saying it would be like me setting up a website and saying I was sellling a G10000 motor (which is not possible due to the minimum Burn time...I think) but telling everyone that they would be temperarily unavailible due to certification troubles?
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Not exactly.

The site has been up for a long time. At one time USR was actually in business, but that was a long time ago. He did produce at least some of those kits for awhile, but I'm not sure if he ever made even the majority of the ones that are shown on the site. If USR was (legitimately) still in business, you would be seeing pictures and build threads of the kits on the forum. How many of them have you counted up so far? If you want to be his latest victim, then go right ahead. But don't say that you weren't warned.

Mark K.
 
I don't know about now, but about four years back I did order from Jerry using his "Instaship" program. A nice two stage, 3.1" rocket (Sonic 3100 Phase 2, I believe--I might even do a build thread on it someday). In any case, I received the kit almost immediately. After looking it over and doing some sims, I decided to upgrade to dual deploy and so went back and bought additional parts about three months later. Again, quick turnaround and good service. Now I know my experience isn't shared by all, but I felt it is right, in fairness, to at least provide the background. Do with it what you'd like.
 
ScrapDaddy said:
Victim? Now this is scaring me.....is USR a scam or soMe thing?
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YES! You will not get your product. Just forget USR. If you like their rocket go to www.rocketreviews.com and see if they have any of the kits on there.

www.fliskits.com

If you like clusters go to there and order a Deuce's Wild and fly it. They are cool and unique. Maybe you could post some pictures of he build and flight with it ;)

I enjoy the DW ALOT. I have MMX-24mm, need to rebuild 29mm and finish the 38mm. Got the plans drawn for 54mm but that will wait a little bit longer.

Ben
 
ScrapDaddy said:
Ust a quick question Ben, have you ever tried ordering from USR?
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No because I take the advice from people here (most of the time :bangpan: )

that is also how I know not to order from performance rocketry, I need to talk to Neil and Bob or Wildman, that way they deal with him.

Ben
 
dixontj93060 said:
I don't know about now, but about four years back I did order from Jerry using his "Instaship" program.
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Four years ago was around the last time that I saw any US Rockets kits being sold anywhere online (other than on Jerry's website). 2006 was also about the last time that I saw anyone online talking about building one of the kits. I haven't seen anything of theirs for sale by any other vendors since then, nor have I seen anyone mention getting one of the kits since then. Jerry is very active on RP, but he never talks about how USR is doing as a business, how he is shipping kits, etc., and no one over there besides Jerry ever talks about building or launching any of his kits. My impression is that the business is definitely not operating now, and that it hasn't been operational in quite some time. I have been active on the various online forums or on the Yahoo! groups ever since I resumed rocketry, and in all of that time I think I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times that anyone has mentioned building or launching a USR kit. I have never read any accounts of anyone (except Jerry) firing a USR motor.

(Soapbox) There are many rocket companies out there that are run by really great, ethical and above-board people who make really cool kits and motors. The threads on this and the other forums, including RP, are full of accounts of outstanding customer service from them as well as praise for their products. There is absolutely no shortage of quality products and great values from the many, many manufacturers and vendors that we read about everyday on the forums. Every one of those suppliers has earned all of the praise and loyalty that they get. With the abundance of very fine products from well-established, reputable companies that are available to us in this hobby, why would anyone be so eager to do business with an individual who possesses such a sketchy record? Isn't the bounty of products that we order every day from the good guys enough? I dare anyone to come forward and state that they have run out of products to buy from all of the companies that we know and trust and who therefore feels compelled to seek out stuff from the shadows. With the plenitude of products that we have today, why would anyone ever want to go down that alley? (/Soapbox)

Mark K.
 
Wow! Sounds like more than a "Soapbox"... With the words "sketchy record", "stuff from the shadows", maybe the qualifiers should be (Vendetta), (/Vendetta)?

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(Soapbox) There are many rocket companies out there that are run by really great, ethical and above-board people who make really cool kits and motors. The threads on this and the other forums, including RP, are full of accounts of outstanding customer service from them as well as praise for their products. There is absolutely no shortage of quality products and great values from the many, many manufacturers and vendors that we read about everyday on the forums. Every one of those suppliers has earned all of the praise and loyalty that they get. With the abundance of very fine products from well-established, reputable companies that are available to us in this hobby, why would anyone be so eager to do business with an individual who possesses such a sketchy record? Isn't the bounty of products that we order every day from the good guys enough? I dare anyone to come forward and state that they have run out of products to buy from all of the companies that we know and trust and who therefore feels compelled to seek out stuff from the shadows. With the plenitude of products that we have today, why would anyone ever want to go down that alley? (/Soapbox)

Mark K.
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I have had nothing but positive experiences with the large and small vendors that support our hobby. I don't understand how you can characterize my recommendation of them as a "vendetta." :confused:

Mark K.
 
I also have always had positive experiences buy on the web, then again I only buy from one :D
 
You might consider trying Fliskits. They make excellent stuff too, and I've always had great service from Jim.
 
I specifically quoted your disparaging remarks (which in the context of this thread clearly apply to JI/US Rockets).

MarkII said:
I have had nothing but positive experiences with the large and small vendors that support our hobby. I don't understand how you can characterize my recommendation of them as a "vendetta." :confused:

Mark K.
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It was hardly a scathing indictment. I'm sure that much stronger opinions have been posted over the years about USR. :rolleyes:

Mark K.
 
cjl said:
You might consider trying Fliskits. They make excellent stuff too, and I've always had great service from Jim.
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Fliskits has a great reputation and I have been DYING to but their Nell
 
I heard they were availible at NARCON but there was no way I could attend, I have to get a new visa gift card (i used all the money in my old) so it could be mid may before I get it, it should be interesting :) And Mark, I told you I have an eye fir strange stuff, though I am wondering how the Nell stabilizes itself...,
 
ScrapDaddy said:
I heard they were availible at NARCON but there was no way I could attend, I have to get a new visa gift card (i used all the money in my old) so it could be mid may before I get it, it should be interesting :) And Mark, I told you I have an eye fir strange stuff, though I am wondering how the Nell stabilizes itself...,
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Jim said that it was a bit of a challenge for the kit. Goddard's design wasn't too terribly stable.

For extra credit, ScrapDaddy, can you identify what erroneous aerodynamic principle Goddard was trying to employ with that design? (Hint: you can find the answer in the newsletter archive on Apogee's site.)

Mark K.
 
ScrapDaddy said:
Finless-ness?
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Nope; try again. (Hint #2: It's called the ________ Fallacy.)

ADDENDUM: Actually, you are part of the way there. It does have something to do with it being finless, but rather indirectly.

Mark K.
 
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