# Jr. Level One Cert?

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Well first Things First What is a Jr. Level One cert and how does it work and second i am 99% positive that you need an H motor for your Jr level one cert and i do BELIEVE that all the H motors are Reloads and you have to be 18 to buy and use reloads..... so how does all this work? please explain

#### dixontj93060

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Erm The problem is to find someone willing to supervise i have QUITE a mixed reputation here on TRF

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And a Found An "H" SU motor! its that Ellis Mountain H-275

#### GRIFFIN

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Who needs to supervise you when you google.

#### dixontj93060

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You would be surprised at the help you could receive from the rocketry community. My son did his Jr. L1 at LDRS in 2006 (pic attached of him/them recovering after their successful flights). He had a close friend that also wanted to participate but could not afford the rocket. An individual heard of this second hand out on the East Coast (well known, but I won't mention his name here so as not to compromise his privacy) and he donated a PML mini-BBX!

So getting a sponsor--likely no problem.

Erm The problem is to find someone willing to supervise i have QUITE a mixed reputation here on TRF

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No i need a supervisor for a Jr. Level 1 cert attempt

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You would be surprised at the help you could receive from the rocketry community. My son did his Jr. L1 at LDRS in 2006 (pic attached of him/them recovering after their successful flights). He had a close friend that also wanted to participate but could not afford the rocket. An individual heard of this second hand out on the East Coast (well known, but I won't mention his name here so as not to compromise his privacy) and he donated a PML mini-BBX!

So getting a sponsor--likely no problem.
There arent many Rocketeers in upstate NY MarkII knows exactly what i mean

#### cjl

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There arent many Rocketeers in upstate NY MarkII knows exactly what i mean
I have no idea what you're talking about. LDRS was there last year - I went out there, and it looked like there were plenty of local rocketeers.

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Fair enough i just cant seem to Find them

#### MarkII

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There are plenty of rocketeers in upstate NY. Just not very many in our region (northeastern NY and the Adirondack-North Country region). We do have them, but not in anything like the numbers that other areas apparently have.

Mark K.

#### MarkII

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https://www.nar.org/pdf/JRHPR.pdf
I started reading the document, and two requirements immediately caught my eye. They would be real issues for the OP. First of all, finding someone (anyone) in this neck of the woods who has HPR certification to supervise the applicant would be difficult, since such folks are a small fraction of an already very small pool of area rocketeers. Second, the applicant must be at least 14 years old.

ScrapDaddy has expressed an interest in attending an ASTRE launch, but our first one of the year won't be until next month, tentatively. We don't have high power flights at our launches, though, because we don't have a field that is appropriate for them. We do have HPR fliers in our club, but they visit other clubs to do their launches.

Personally, I have only witnessed the launch of one high power rocket, and that was last year at NARAM-51.

Mark K.

#### ben_ullman

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Who needs to supervise you when you google.
I lol at that comment. haha

I figured scrapdaddy was between the ages of 13-15. Its easy for me to pick out "one of my kind" on the forums, :roll:

Ben

#### MarkII

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Are you familiar with the age range of the "A" Division in NAR competition? I have no reason for asking that. Nope, no reason at all.

Mark K.

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#### ben_ullman

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Are you familiar with the age range of the "A" Division in NAR competition? I have no reason for asking that. Nope, no reason at all.

Mark K.
I don't even have any idea what the Age Range "A" is. Nor do I really care about NAR competition. Its not my thing.

Ben

#### JAL3

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And a Found An "H" SU motor! its that Ellis Mountain H-275
Unfortunately, Ellis Mountain is OOP with little liklihood of coming back.

He had some great long burn Gs.

#### MarkII

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I don't even have any idea what the Age Range "A" is. Nor do I really care about NAR competition. Its not my thing.

Ben
Maybe I was being too subtle...

Mark K.

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#### ben_ullman

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Maybe I was being too subtle...

Mark K.
I mean im guessing its 18 and under range. Theres just a select few members who have never heard the phrase "use your rescources". TRF search, then google, if those two dont lend any results then it warrants asking.

Im just tired of seeing pointless threads "whats the true meaning of 'the' " I mean come on?

Ben

#### The EGE

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ScrapDaddy, some things for you to consider:

1) Use Google. Google is your friend. You can find almost any information on Google, and it will save you having to start dozens of threads. Had you used Google, you would have also discovered that Robert Ellis is no longer with us, and EM is no longer producing motors. And that there are no longer any SU high-power motors available.

2) That means you'll need to fly a reload. Even the cheapest certification possible on your own hardware - buying a CTI Pro29-3G case and 3-grain reload (G87 Imax, G90 Classic, H163 White Thunder) will set you back 50 bucks, or half that if you can borrow a case. High-power rocketry is not cheap; I only got into it after I got a steady part-time job.

3) To get certified, you'll also need a good rocket. That means a 2.6" to 4" rocket with heavy-wall tubes, through-the-wall plywood fins, and a 29mm or 38mm motor mount. That's going to set you back between 60 and 150 dollars, more if you add things like shock cord / parachute protectors or a payload bay. That's serious money, which you say you don't have currently.

4) You have to be 14 to certify, and I recall from another post that you implied yourself to be twelve. I recommend that you take that time to actually fly rockets. So far, you've offered no evidence that you have actually ever flown a rocket, and only built one.

So here's what I say: Forget about certification for a little while; you are nowhere near ready. Buy kits, build rockets, and learn what works and what doesn't. Fly what you can afford. Learn all the stuff you can only learn and improve at from experience: adjusting launch angle to fight the wind, packing parachutes, masking for paint, building for strength. Fly model rockets for a little while, and when you get skilled and have joined ASTRE, start flying mid-power. Get some experience flying F and G motors, so you know how to assemble 29mm reloads and safely build and fly larger rockets before you go for your certification. You want know your stuff down pat before you try flying high power, because clearly right now you have neither the knowledge, skills, experience, nor maturity to fly a two-pound rocket to several thousand feet.

#### MarkII

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Technically, someone involved with this thread is supposed to have adult supervision when flying black powder motors.

MarkII