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Nice, in addition to making housing even more unaffordable for many (purchase price) for negligiable benefit in global CO2 emissions is there any published plans by Washington politicians on increasing the capacity of reliable 365/24/7 electricity to feed all these EV's and heat pumps? How cold does Washington state get in the winter?
 
Nice, in addition to making housing even more unaffordable for many (purchase price) for negligiable benefit in global CO2 emissions is there any published plans by Washington politicians on increasing the capacity of reliable 365/24/7 electricity to feed all these EV's and heat pumps? How cold does Washington state get in the winter?
Do you even do any research before you spread FUD? Washington has massive electricity reserves due to the major hydropower projects in state. We also have major renewable project, which are an excellent complement with hydro. Hydro can quickly spool up and down with little loss of efficiency to match demand as renewables fluctuate.

And on top of all of that, heat pumps tend to be cheaper than furnaces, so they save consumers money. Congratulations. You managed a hat trick of wrongness!
 
Do you even do any research before you spread FUD? Washington has massive electricity reserves due to the major hydropower projects in state. We also have major renewable project, which are an excellent complement with hydro. Hydro can quickly spool up and down with little loss of efficiency to match demand as renewables fluctuate.

And on top of all of that, heat pumps tend to be cheaper than furnaces, so they save consumers money. Congratulations. You managed a hat trick of wrongness!
Good to know. One question, if they save consumers money then why does the government need to subsiidize their purchase?
 
Do you even do any research before you spread FUD? Washington has massive electricity reserves due to the major hydropower projects in state. We also have major renewable project, which are an excellent complement with hydro. Hydro can quickly spool up and down with little loss of efficiency to match demand as renewables fluctuate.

And on top of all of that, heat pumps tend to be cheaper than furnaces, so they save consumers money. Congratulations. You managed a hat trick of wrongness!
Found this article in my post post research. What is your take on it?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesc...--good-intentions-gone-wrong/?sh=2ebd0c8b63ca
 
Good to know. One question, if they save consumers money then why does the government need to subsiidize their purchase?
People make all kinds of purchasing decisions that aren’t in their financial best interest. For example, any passenger car with a V8 engine is a terrible financial choice. Probably most trucks, too.

I’ll look at the other article later.
 
People make all kinds of purchasing decisions that aren’t in their financial best interest. For example, any passenger car with a V8 engine is a terrible financial choice. Probably most trucks, too.
I’ll look at the other article later.
Ok. Heat pumps aren't exactly new tech. They have been around as long as I have been in the housing market, 40 years. The tech has not improved that much, in fact they have gone slightly backwards in cost and reliability because the thermodynamically nice refrigerants have been banned. Why haven't they become more popular as compared to high efficiency gas burners? I suspect the reason (as a former heat pump owner) is that they kind of suck for comfort and have the perception of being expensive and less reliable. If there is a power failure how big does your generator need to be to run your heat pump? The answer is pretty big. With a gas furnace you can run it with car battery and an inverter.

Life is too short to shiver in the winter time.
 
Found this article in my post post research. What is your take on it?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesc...--good-intentions-gone-wrong/?sh=2ebd0c8b63ca
I draw a completely different answer than them from the same data. Which is an interesting position to be in. For those who didn't read the article, the contention is that phasing out thermal generation (coal and natural gas) will lead to grid instability, particularly in cold weather. The argument is that wind tends not to blow in Washington when it's cold, so there's a higher risk of brownouts especially as demand increases. The power demand curve has been flat for the last couple of decades due to efficiency increases, but is expected to increase by up to 50% in the foreseeable future. That all sounds pretty dire, especially when thermal is around 5%-10% of the power generated in our state.

Where I disagree is actually cited in another Forbes article that complains about new wind turbines in SW WA, linked here. This is a graph of Bonneville Power Administration (BPA) generation in a period in January 2014. I don't really know if this was a particularly cold snap or not, so I don't know where the demand curve hits relative to maximum. For reference, BPA is the major operator of the federal hydropower dams on the Columbia/Snake system, and is a major electrical power broker. Some cities/utility districts have their own power systems which may or may not be part of the BPA totals listed here.
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Red is demand, blue is hydro generation, brown is thermal, and green is wind. Solar presumably isn't enough to show up on the graph, which makes sense in our dark winter. What leaps out at me here is that demand peaks at 8 GW and hydro generation peaks just shy of 12 GW. Even on the first two days when the wind isn't blowing, there's plenty of hydropower available to cover even a 50% increase in demand. In addition, per this fact sheet, BPA's total hydro generating capacity is 35 GW. The wind turbines get dinged for operating at 30% capacity in the article you linked, but it turns out that dams are operating at less than that. There's also been a few times recently where wind turbines were told to shut down so that they could generate more power through hydro.

The last bit of local knowledge is that the depths of winter is the rainy season. That's when our reservoirs are full and spilling water just to keep from overtopping. If there's a very cold low-wind day, then spool up the dams a bit and refill the reservoirs in the rainstorm that's less than a week away.

There may be an issue in the summer, when hydro turns down a little bit to save water for salmon and there's increased demand from air conditioning. However, solar really shines then when we have 16-hour days. There's also a large temperature differential between Western and Eastern Washington, which creates a lot of wind across the Cascade crest and through the Columbia River Gorge. Unsurprisingly, the major wind farms are placed to take advantage of that wind resource. If you want to look up a similar graph to the one above for a summer week, I'll be glad to discuss it.

Finally, I'm not an energy economist, so I may be missing parts of the picture.
 
Another company selling good sized battery systems for home and camping use:

https://www.bluettipower.com/
I have a much smaller one to keep my computer running (or charging) in case of an outage. Basically to add reliability to my system.
 
The Model S Plaid is the fastest sedan, but I guess if you trimmed out the practical stuff to make an exotic car instead, you'd get something like this:



Lucid is also going places. Another flagship of EV luxury.



As close as one can get without actually having one:



Perhaps the best known battery recylcler makes a deal with one the best known battery makers:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...o-america-thanks-to-tesla-co-founder-straubel
 
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A Swiss company offering 1000 kWh electric trucks from Volvo or Daimler chassis (that's enough battery capacity for 10-25 EVs, or 100 PHEVs):

https://www.designwerk.com/en/e-truck/
And Tesla's first truck will be delivered to PepsiCo in a few weeks.

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Interesting but I might move those latest posts somewhere else because I think solar is its own thing and some people might start giving fruitless opinions on who funds what and such. 🥱😴

Just sticking to a lab rat perspective on lithium and battery progress since the 90s.
 
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Interesting but I might move those latest posts somewhere else because I think solar is its own thing and some people might start giving fruitless opinions on who funds what and such. 🥱😴

Just sticking to my lithium lab rat perspective on battery progress since the 90s.
@Funkworks How many threads do you have going? This one, solar power, thermodynamics. Any others? I love learning this stuff & want to share a link in the appropriate place.
 
@Funkworks How many threads do you have going? This one, solar power, thermodynamics. Any others? I love learning this stuff & want to share a link in the appropriate place.
If you're talking non-rocket threads, then the following ones off the top of my head. They mostly branched off of this one because some people lump these subjects together, but I can't:

EV's and ICEs
Plug-in Hybrids
Solar power
Observing the Earth from Space
Wind power
Thermodynamics!

Then other stuff I try out to see what happens, sometimes because I have some kind of suggestion someone else is also interested. Like:

Lego and ... just Lego really

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The 2,500 first edition European Ioniq 6 sold out quickly.

https://www.hyundai.news/eu/articles/press-releases/ioniq-6-first-edition-high-demand-in-europe.html
 
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Not alot of confidence from the Wall Street types... Would think the IRA would have helped a little. Buying opportunity?
I don't talk about who funds or should fund what. I just like anouncing/sharing new products and techs I find interesting. I don't see any problem with discussing details of how any of these things work. Trying to keep a tech reporter/lab rat/teacher perspective. School teachers in the network.
 
I don't talk about who funds or should fund what. I just like anouncing/sharing new products and techs I find interesting. I don't see any problem with discussing details of how any of these things work. Trying to keep a tech reporter/lab rat/teacher perspective. School teachers in the network.
Yes that is fair. Sorry for being Debbie downer on your threads, I actually do enjoy them. But 'good' tech needs to have a modicum of economic viability, in my opinion.
 
Ok. Heat pumps aren't exactly new tech. They have been around as long as I have been in the housing market, 40 years. The tech has not improved that much, in fact they have gone slightly backwards in cost and reliability because the thermodynamically nice refrigerants have been banned. Why haven't they become more popular as compared to high efficiency gas burners? I suspect the reason (as a former heat pump owner) is that they kind of suck for comfort and have the perception of being expensive and less reliable. If there is a power failure how big does your generator need to be to run your heat pump? The answer is pretty big. With a gas furnace you can run it with car battery and an inverter.

Life is too short to shiver in the winter time.
I've been in real estate for 22yrs but also I'm a Mech Engineer specializing in HVAC & Control Systems.

Heat Pumps have gotten much more efficient vs 10yrs ago. You can get higher efficiency with a water-sourced heat pump. Heat Pumps don't make a lot of sense in Northern regions because you end up running the Heat strips to keep up.
I was in Northern Virginia for my real estate career and it was surprising how many neighborhoods didn't have natural gas. We're in SWFL now, so Heat Pumps work fine.
 
But 'good' tech needs to have a modicum of economic viability, in my opinion.
Yep, first the possibilies are laid out, then the best and more viable ones are selected. This happens in the minds and drawboards of hobbyists, scientists, engineers, their teams, their investors, and customers.

LA Auto show is on:

https://laautoshow.com/growing-impa...s-center-stage-at-2022-los-angeles-auto-show/
New Tesla exhibit in an LA Auto museum:



Hyundai partering with Electrum for home charging:

https://www.electrum.co/
https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/hyundai-home
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...-electrification-now-available-301681932.html
 
It seems that solid state batteries are now a reality with Amptricity taking orders for Residential & Commercial storage units. And Amptricity replaced a Tesla S battery pack with their own and saw a 97% range increase. The downside is these buggers are expensive. :(

 
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