The short answer is yes, but your selection would be limited to the Aerotech "Loadable Motor System" or simply LMS. There are three G's available, take a look here: https://www.buyrocketmotors.com/no-hazmat-eligible/ All of these would have to ship USPS Parcel Post which can a bit longer than most people may be accustomed to; but there's no HAZMAT fee to worry about.
They do require assembly but it's easy, and they're G impulse and single use which is what you're looking for. Take a look at the RMS reloads as well, there's quite a few composite motors that can be shipped without a HAZMAT fee.
Regarding DMS motors, all require HAZMAT. And yes, I'm certain the carriers set the cost for HAZMAT. I daydream about this eventually going away.....
Just curious- does anyone know what our 28.50 actually pays for? Is it just for the plaque on the side of the truck?
Nate
This is a GUESS, but I think there is an extra amount of paperwork that needs to be filed, and probably restrictions on what kind of vehicle it can travel in, where it can go (like maybe they have to avoid tunnels or bridges), and what else can be in the truck.
Is there any way to get single use 29mm motors without the expensive hazmat charge? I understand why they charge. I just don't get why it's so expensive.
This is a GUESS, but I think there is an extra amount of paperwork that needs to be filed, and probably restrictions on what kind of vehicle it can travel in, where it can go (like maybe they have to avoid tunnels or bridges), and what else can be in the truck.
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For the most part GREED. It does cost more to ship hazmat, but not that much. Does not make much sense in our case, you can ship 25 lbs. of small chunks in one box without hazmat but as soon as those chunks weight more than 30 grams, same stuff , you pay hazmat even if the box only weighs 1 lb.
Also isn't the risk higher if there was 500 reloads of D sized motor vs 1 J reload?
It has nothing to do with greed. It has everything to do with paying for the cost to insure that all shipments the carrier accepts and transports are in compliance with the DOT and IATA regulations for shipping hazardous materials, as the common carriers are assessed very steep fines and penalties if they are found to be out of compliance by DOT or FAA inspectors.[/U]For the most part GREED. It does cost more to ship hazmat, but not that much. Does not make much sense in our case, you can ship 25 lbs. of small chunks in one box without hazmat but as soon as those chunks weight more than 30 grams, same stuff , you pay hazmat even if the box only weighs 1 lb.
It has nothing to do with greed. It has everything to do with paying for the cost to insure that all shipments the carrier accepts and transports are in compliance with the DOT and IATA regulations for shipping hazardous materials, as the common carriers are assessed very steep fines and penalties if they are found to be out of compliance by DOT or FAA inspectors.
All hazmat shipments must have proper documentation, packaging, labeling and marking as specified in the DOT or IATA hazmat shipping regulations. The pickup driver must check each hazmat item for proper packaging, labeling and marking, and will sign 2 bills of lading, one for the company records and one for your records. He may have to placard his truck if required. Once the local pickup truck arrives at the local shipping terminal, an incoming inspector checks each article for proper documentation, packaging, marking, and labeling against a 1 page checklist. If it fails any item on the check list, it is rejected and put aside for assessment to determine if it can be relabeled and returned to the shipper under a DOT Special Permit, or whether it must be held for DOT inspection or hazmat disposal. If it passes it moves to sorting area where the hazmat compatibilities are determined and then grouped and assigned to specific trailers. If a trailer has more than a certain quantity of hazardous material, they must be placarded. This sorting procedure is repeated every time the trailer arrives at a terminal until it arrives at it's destination terminal. It is then sorted and assigned to a local delivery truck and delivered to the recipient where a delivery signature is normally required. All hazmat paperwork must be kept for approximately 2 years after the shipment by federal regulations, and these regulation apply to the shipper, the transport company and usually the recipient.
It doesn't matter if the hazmat shipment unit weighs 1 pound or 1 ton. The procedures are the same, so that's why everyone gets charged the same basic hazmat fee for a given common carrier. Whether you buy one g-motor, or a pallet of J-motor reloads you will pay the same hazmat fee. If you buy some L3 reloads you may have to pay extra fees for an exclusive truck to comply other transportation requirements, but that's not a hazmat fee.
Bob
Other than the initial pick up and inspection at the first terminal everything should be automated just the same as any other package right?? Other than having a longer paper trail, sorting and assigning to a truck is automated just like any other package right?? Or are all hazmat packages manually handled?? This I ask because I have no idea. All I know is that hazmat fees have gone up over 550% in 25 years. We have to pay this on top of the regular shipping price.
Just me, I believe that $28.50 is way more than actual cost to the companies. Like mentioned ,not much competition, so they can charge as much as they want.
So you're saying Hazmat fees used to only be $2.71 in 1989?
Also, something not mentioned. Hazmat is handled by hand, and not only does it have to be separated from non-Hazmat, depending on what it is, they may have to be separated from each other. Which means a shipping container like what is used on an aircraft is specially built for fire suppression, and only carries Hazmat. You could literally have a 1x1x1 foot box and NOTHING else in a Hazmat shipping container. All that empty space that could be used to ship something (which is why you get charged based on weight AND volume)...can't be because of the Hazmat restrictions.
In addition, shippers have insurance...and higher insurance rates because they carry Hazmat. They could probably charge less if they didn't have to carry Hazmat insurance. But they do, so they charge.
If there was only one large shipping company, I'd say you would have a case for the 'not much competition'. But there are at least 3 companies (in the US) with worldwide reach...yet they all charge a significant amount for Hazmat. You think one or two wouldn't be happy cutting their Hazmat rates if they could if it meant getting a significantly larger piece of the pie?
Yet they don't. Quite frankly, if it wasn't for the fact shipping Hazmat is a significant chunk of business, I know my shipping company wouldn't bother because it is a pain to segregate it out with all the additional restrictions. Undeclared Hazmat was a factor in at least one hull loss for my company, and possibility two hull losses for UPS.
FC
Nope, any time the trailer gets unloaded(at terminals) the hazmat boxes have to be hand moved. They cannot ride the belt. They have t be at the back of the trailers, blocked and braced to prevent movement. The center has to pull hazmat coupons at each change of driver. When I was at UPS, our hazmat guy spent about 15min per box verifying everything on the paperwork. If any errors get missed, the guy who signed it as ok can get fired....Other than the initial pick up and inspection at the first terminal everything should be automated just the same as any other package right?? Other than having a longer paper trail, sorting and assigning to a truck is automated just like any other package right?? Or are all hazmat packages manually handled?? This I ask because I have no idea. All I know is that hazmat fees have gone up over 550% in 25 years. We have to pay this on top of the regular shipping price.
Just me, I believe that $28.50 is way more than actual cost to the companies. Like mentioned ,not much competition, so they can charge as much as they want.
Hazmat tracking is automated with bar code scanners, but Hazmat processing is hands-on, in all parts of the transportation process. I doubt anyone involved in the handling chain is paid minimum wage as Hazmat handlers are security screened and have special training and certifications, so I'd guess most inspectors and sorting workers are getting at least $15 per hour and drivers get $25 per hour.Other than the initial pick up and inspection at the first terminal everything should be automated just the same as any other package right?? Other than having a longer paper trail, sorting and assigning to a truck is automated just like any other package right?? Or are all hazmat packages manually handled?? This I ask because I have no idea. All I know is that hazmat fees have gone up over 550% in 25 years. We have to pay this on top of the regular shipping price.
Just me, I believe that $28.50 is way more than actual cost to the companies. Like mentioned ,not much competition, so they can charge as much as they want.
Our local club vendor says that when his current supply of 24 mm Estes BP E-motors sells out, he is done with them. I priced 24 mm Estes BP E-motors at Apogee in December and I was astounded by the total cost. As I recall Wildman was better, but it was still high. As others have stated it is probably a good idea to check Hobby Lobby. I think we have a hobby shop about 1 and 1/2 hours away that is reasonable, also
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For the most part GREED. It does cost more to ship hazmat, but not that much. Does not make much sense in our case, you can ship 25 lbs. of small chunks in one box without hazmat but as soon as those chunks weight more than 30 grams, same stuff , you pay hazmat even if the box only weighs 1 lb.
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