Got it, should have noticed that.
Generic E2X (maybe Wizards - we’ll see) bulk pack on sale
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I would love to see the booster fins moved up to the middle of the booster, or even a bit further forward. The Mongoose booster almost always streamlines in after staging....not a good thing depending on where it decides to go.
Received mine this morning. Unfortunately I got the Wizards as well. Already setup the return.
New ones should be delivered tomorrow. These shipped from my local warehouse in Morton Grove IL. so I don't have high hopes that they will get it right this time.
New ones should be delivered tomorrow. These shipped from my local warehouse in Morton Grove IL. so I don't have high hopes that they will get it right this time.
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My replacements are supposed to arrive tomorrow, but I'm going to be surprised if they're not Wizards again. I plan on re-ordering and/or scheduling returns/replacements util they get it right. You'd think enough returns on a particular item would trigger some sort of action to try to figure out what's wrong, but maybe not.
I had intended to do that myself but after the second box the only online option I got was to return them and get a refund. May you have better luck.
I also go on chat and phone with Amazon after I found that sticker on the second Wizard box (post 70) to alert them that at least around here that would be a possible error to fix....but got more frustration than anything else out of that exchange. *sigh*
I did two school workshops with the Generic E2X before Christmas. Its a nice little kit, much tougher than the Wizard. Great for A8 and B6 motors, but quite a few lost rockets on C6. My advice is to chuck away the parachutes and put in an 18x2 plastic streamer. Also take some superglue to the launch as kids didn’t always add enough glue to the motor mount - a few fell out!
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I like to take a couple spare kits as well -- a gust landed one out of bounds / on a roof / in a tree ? Here you go kid, replacement kit.
Nice idea. Stolen!
It's really cool to read about others leading launches with the different youth groups. I've been running a launch with our local cub scout pack since my son was a Tiger scout (he is now in college!). Thanks for the link to the Generic E2X kits as I was looking to be prepared for spring. We'll see what kind of luck I have, if I get Wizards or the advertised generic E2X kits.
I miss the Crayon rocket bulk packs. Those were a really nice option since they were large (hard to loose) and the crayon scheme was pretty entertaining for the kids. I went through at least a hundred of those rockets over the various years of launching with the scouts, but I've not seen them offered any more.
I miss the Crayon rocket bulk packs. Those were a really nice option since they were large (hard to loose) and the crayon scheme was pretty entertaining for the kids. I went through at least a hundred of those rockets over the various years of launching with the scouts, but I've not seen them offered any more.
Yeah, I agree. I wish they would bring back the Crayon Rockets... We only have 1 at this point... it's fun to fly on the Quest C18 motors.
I sometimes fly my crayon at schools for a bit of fun. Its popular with the kids.
It turns out I have very little real-world data on Generic E2Xs. I’ve put together three of them and according to my logbooks each has only flown once. The one datum I have is 395 feet on an Estes B6-4 in May of 2017 (data by way of a PerfectFlite FireFly).
I do have data on a couple of similar size and weight models, the recent Estes Cadet (until this year a Hobby Lobby exclusive) and the modelrockets.us Nexus. Both of those actually about make 1100 feet on D16s and do a little less on D20s due to the higher drag from the higher speed. C12s get them to a little over 900 feet.
An 8 second delay, if it really is that long, will be too long on a D20.
These numbers are all gathered either with a PerfectFlite FireFly or a FlightSketch Mini. Both of these are in the 1/10 ounce range and will affect the altitude reached…but not hugely.
What fin thickness did you use in your OR sim? As far as I know, OR doesn’t have any way to handle tapered-thickness fins like those on the Generic E2X fin can. My models weighed about 1.3 ounces when they were done, no motors or wadding aboard.
You guys are gonna love this one...
So I got my amazon order today. I ordered 3 bulk kits of the Generic E2X rockets to prep for this spring with the cub scouts. Note: I went to the product page, selected a quantity of 3, and hit order one time. Here is what showed up:
As much as I want to blame Amazon for this, take a look at the UPC bar code that Estes has printed on each box:
Item #1764 is the Generic E2X and item #1754 is the Wizard, but the two have the IDENTICAL bar code. So it seems that this probably has roots with Estes and this confusing re-use of the product UPC.
On an unrelated tangent, this sticker was on one of the boxes of Wizard kits:
What the heck is that all about? Was this a return and then they shipped it to me? Usually, there is a disclaimer and discount if they're gonna ship you a refurbished, returned, or open-box type item. Oh well, it's going back regardless.
So I got my amazon order today. I ordered 3 bulk kits of the Generic E2X rockets to prep for this spring with the cub scouts. Note: I went to the product page, selected a quantity of 3, and hit order one time. Here is what showed up:
As much as I want to blame Amazon for this, take a look at the UPC bar code that Estes has printed on each box:
Item #1764 is the Generic E2X and item #1754 is the Wizard, but the two have the IDENTICAL bar code. So it seems that this probably has roots with Estes and this confusing re-use of the product UPC.
On an unrelated tangent, this sticker was on one of the boxes of Wizard kits:
What the heck is that all about? Was this a return and then they shipped it to me? Usually, there is a disclaimer and discount if they're gonna ship you a refurbished, returned, or open-box type item. Oh well, it's going back regardless.
That's a great catch - there's absolutely an issue with the bar code!
Definitely a return - that should have been sold as a Warehouse deal. Maybe someone restocked it in the wrong bin?
Maybe that's the one that I sent back.... 
That bar code thing on the Estes box (the same box that has the messed-up field areas) may well be the root cause of all this. And here I was blaming Amazon's warehouse receiving staff. But they certainly aren't going to see the mismatch between the bar code and the actual box content. That goes back to Estes and whoever laid out the art for those new boxes. Wow!
That bar code thing on the Estes box (the same box that has the messed-up field areas) may well be the root cause of all this. And here I was blaming Amazon's warehouse receiving staff. But they certainly aren't going to see the mismatch between the bar code and the actual box content. That goes back to Estes and whoever laid out the art for those new boxes. Wow!
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Good catch. I guess this means even if you order from the Walmart link I posted, you might get the wrong box.
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It's Estes's fault, not Amazons.
Even if Amazon did "invest in some computers", those computers would be using the UPC bar code on the boxes, and the Wizard bulk pack has the same UPC barcode on the box as the E2X bulk pack.
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The two replacements arrived this afternoon, and they're Wizards (again). Return w/ refund has been filed (replacement not an option this time). I ordered two more for delivery on Sunday...
Yes, but the Computers could catch on after it happened 20 or 30 times. This only happens with orders through Amazon according to everyone here. To be fair, Amazon fans like making excuses for them so they have no reason to improve.
While I got the correct item when I ordered from Walmart, that the bar code is wrong on the Estes boxes means that anyone stocking these and using the bar code on the box to identify them will start sending Wizards instead of Generics when they run out of their current stock. So I expect that Walmart will start sending out the wrong ones when/if they restock, unless Estes fixes this before they ship more to whoever it is. Merchants that know rockets won’t be confused but mass marketers are something else entirely.
I took some pictures off of boxes in my possession and sent a detailed message to Estes Customer Service a couple of hours ago. It will be interesting to see what I hear back, and when. This being Friday afternoon, and it being an hour later in Penrose than it is here, I don’t expect I’ll hear anything until next week.
This appears to have happened when Estes created the new Estes Education boxes as all who have gotten actual Generic E2Xs (and posted pictures of the box) have gotten them in boxes of the previous packaging style. And it makes me wonder if there are other bulk boxes that are mismarks in some other way….a possibility I mentioned in the note to them I sent.
Thanks BEC for contacting Estes. I think you are spot-on with your assessment: the Generic E2X is the old packaging/old product, while the Wizards are the new packaging. It seems they either messed up with the new barcode, or somehow intended to discontinue the old E2X and just use the same UPC with the Wizards... which really doesn't make sense since the last 4 digits of the UPC are clearly the item number.
I'm anxious to see what Estes says. Now, in the meantime, I need to ensure I get stocked up on Generic E2X's for the cub scouts, so while I did order my replacements from Amazon (for the two incorrect boxes) I think I'll try my luck with the Walmart on-line order. Wish me luck! Hahaha!
I'm anxious to see what Estes says. Now, in the meantime, I need to ensure I get stocked up on Generic E2X's for the cub scouts, so while I did order my replacements from Amazon (for the two incorrect boxes) I think I'll try my luck with the Walmart on-line order. Wish me luck! Hahaha!
I can't see why they would change the Wizard bulk box part humber to 1764 since it's been around a long time with #1754. Generic E2X bulk boxes have been #1764 since the Generic E2X first appeared in 1994.
No, this is clearly an art/marketing department screw-up when they redesigned the boxes — probably a simple computer file cut/paste error (or perhaps forgetting to do it). Hopefully while there fixing this they can fix the field size confusion on the opposite side panel.
Let us know how your Walmart order goes. I got the right thing from them, and I've pointed local Scout leaders at that deal (after the Wizard thing from Amazon), but it's too soon to know how they fared, if any of them ordered from WM. I don't really need more Generic E2Xs so am unlikely to order any more any time soon.
I am still waiting for Amazon to credit the second Wizard box back to my account.
No, this is clearly an art/marketing department screw-up when they redesigned the boxes — probably a simple computer file cut/paste error (or perhaps forgetting to do it). Hopefully while there fixing this they can fix the field size confusion on the opposite side panel.
Let us know how your Walmart order goes. I got the right thing from them, and I've pointed local Scout leaders at that deal (after the Wizard thing from Amazon), but it's too soon to know how they fared, if any of them ordered from WM. I don't really need more Generic E2Xs so am unlikely to order any more any time soon.
I am still waiting for Amazon to credit the second Wizard box back to my account.
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Just ordered a bulk pack of generics from Walmart for $41.98. Site says will ship for free and will be here tomorrow. Tax will put it at just over $45. Not bad for ordering at 9pm and arriving the next day.
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That's cool. It was several days for me....but then my box came from California to the Seattle area.
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To all of you that got your Generics and plan to do a group build with them, a quick note:
I’m making the two knife cuts beforehand, to eliminate the need for a knife at the group build. One of the cuts is popping out the plastic in the nose cone eyelet. Usually that’s easy, right? Score it and it pops out. But most of the cones I got in this kit have an excess build-up of plastic where it should be thin. See the first pic, there’s a pool of plastic at the base. This has led to a difficult cut where I sometimes took a chunk out of the nose cone (second pic). I imagine this could get pretty hard for some of your kids and a little dangerous. Just wanted you to be aware if you planned on having them make the cut - you should check the nose cone first.
I’m making the two knife cuts beforehand, to eliminate the need for a knife at the group build. One of the cuts is popping out the plastic in the nose cone eyelet. Usually that’s easy, right? Score it and it pops out. But most of the cones I got in this kit have an excess build-up of plastic where it should be thin. See the first pic, there’s a pool of plastic at the base. This has led to a difficult cut where I sometimes took a chunk out of the nose cone (second pic). I imagine this could get pretty hard for some of your kids and a little dangerous. Just wanted you to be aware if you planned on having them make the cut - you should check the nose cone first.
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I get disposable scalpels for this work, and I make the adults handle them. That reminds me, I need a dozen small glue bottles.
Wow, I've never seen an Alpha/Generic nose cone with that much excess plastic pooled near the loop before. I just checked several examples (including the whole box of Generics I got from Walmart - production date 6/28/19) and didn't see that in any of them.
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Harbot Freight has 8 oz plastic bottles, 3 for a little over $3. I think they're either discontinued or going to be. But they're still in stock - bought two packages today.
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