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  1. May 17, 2019 #1

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    I'm trying to make small size rocket for my hobby.

    The length is 70cm and my rocket motor size is 38mm

    also I will use the Aluminum body

    And this is my Question I will make bulk for fixing parachute and i dont know what is

    proper way for it.

    oh by the way, Using paper wadding is usefull?

    which one is learn from Youtube
     
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    Aluminum is probably not the best material for your first rocket.
     
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    I used CPVC but it blow up during experiment for ejection... so it is my best what is good for body material
     
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    Cardboard, kradt phenolic, fiberglass, carbon fiber are commonly used.
     
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    How about fiberglass or some cardboard shipping tubes?
     
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    May i ask why cardboard is good for body? the temperature of body is not that high during flight?
     
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    Cardboard is lightweight/strength. Not so costly, easy to glue with just wood glue. Easy to cut.
     
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    Thank you for reply David.
    If i have more time i will try it.
     
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    Welcome. Ask away, many helpful people on here. There are many manufactures out there, I posted only one. If you did a search you can come up with dozens or so. Sirius, Apogee, Mach 1, PML and the list goes on....
     
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    Where are you located? In what country?

    Will you be using commercial motors -- like these

    https://www.apogeerockets.com/Rocket_Motors

    or will you be making your own motors?
     
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    PVC, if it is old or has seen cycles of high and low pressure, can become brittle, which may explain your previous failure. Cardboard is generally not thought of as being very strong, but it will not go brittle as PVC can. Cardboard is by far the most common material for mid power body tubes.

    Another likely cause of your PVC tube failure is an excessively large ejection charge. What did you use (black powder or something else) and how much, for how much volume of tube to be filled?

    As for your original question, if you are installing a bulkhead to anchor your parachute to, where will the ejection charge be? You would need to have, from bottom to top, the bulkhead, the ejection charge, some sort of 'chute protector, then the 'chute. I'm just checking that you've thought that through.

    For attaching the parachute to the bulkhead, strictly speaking you don't. The nose cone (or as much of the top of the rocket as separates from the bottom) is attached to the bottom by a shock chord (that is, some sort of strap or other rope-like thing that is capable of withstanding the shock when it suddenly pulls tight, and preferably of absorbing some of the energy to mitigate the load on the rocket bits at its two ends) with the parachute's shroud lines attached to the shock chord. Attach them about 1/3 of the way from one end so that the rocket bits at the ends are not bumping against each other.

    So, the real question is how to attach the shock chord to the bulkhead, not the parachute itself. Actually, for what are classed as mid-power rockets the bulkhead is likely not necessary as you can attach the shock chord to the forward centering ring (CR). There are typically two ways to do this. One is to pass it through a hole in the centering ring that is just large enough to let it through. Make the hole close to the motor mount tube (MMT) or even use a slight expansion of the inner MMT hole in the CR in one area. Use epoxy to fasten a several cm of the end of the chord along the side of the MMT, and to fill the hole. And that's it. (In low power rockets something similar is often done. The shock chord is much smaller in these cases, so it is passed around the MMT below the forward CR and tied to close a loop.)

    If you must use a bulkhead, you can tie the shock chord to either an eye-bolt or a U-bolt. That's what's typically done for what are classed as high power rockets, though when I say "tie" I'm leaving out a bunch of details that are important for high power builds. You can also use an eye-bolt or U-bolt in the forward CR if the difference between the body tube and MMT diameters is great enough.
     
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    Thank you iqavins
     
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    jlabrasca I'm using my own motor, and I live in south korea
     
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    When you say "aluminum body", do you mean the MOTOR CASING or do you mean the AIRFRAME?

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    It mean AIRFRAME yes is it not that good for body?
     
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    Do you have any one helping you?

    What is your education?

    Most of the people on this forum build rockets from lightweight materials like cardboard or fiberglass. Metal airframe rockets are heavy and are more dangerous to fly.

    Many of us belong to organizations like Tripoli Rocketry Association, Canadian Association of Rocketry, the National Association of Rocketry . These organizations have safety codes that discourage metal airframe rockets.

    Most people on this forum also buy pre-made rocket motors. There are special rules for flying rockets with motors that your made for yourself. We call this Amateur Rocketry or Amateur Experimental Rocketry.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_rocketry
     
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    Hi, eggsmile,
    I am a model rocket enthusiast living in Colorado, USA.
    My wife is from South Korea. We are planning on possibly moving to Korea in a few years when I retire from work.
    Can you tell me if there is any model rocket activity in South Korea. Are there any clubs? Is the launching of model rockets allowed by the national and local governments?
    Do any of the hobby stores sell model rockets and supplies?
    Thank you for any information you might be able to share.
     
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    unfortunately in South Korea we don't have any law about amateur level rocket , We have several club in university https://1992nura.wixsite.com/nura this is their link.

    This kind of hobbies are not that popular in here.
     
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    Hi, eggsmile,
    I followed your link and got to the NURA website. There I found another link to an email contact and wrote an introductory email. Got a reply from one of the Korean engineering students. I think this has set me on the right path. Thank you very much!
     
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    If I googled it correctly, sounds like a match made in 천당 (cheondang)
     
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    ha ha It might be. I think leader of Nura is christian
     

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