# ELIMINATOR, gone, but not forgotten

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#### spacecowboy

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I had a chance to get to the "big" fields in Tx for Christmas, a park one mile long on each side.
winds, SW, 20+, a bit much, however I packed the rox for the trip, and it was in the high 60's, Send 'em up

I launched from the farthest SW corner.

Eliminator, E9-6, on a small 12" unvented chute . Straight up, even in that wind. Out of sight, until I saw the reco puff. This thing clears the NE corner of the park, plus 3 or 4 blocks in the local 'hood (I chased it, until I realized it's "salute time"). So, approx 1.5 miles away, and like major minutes of hang time. Lost it.

1) a square mile field is too small for this ?
2) E9-6 was too much ?
3) Unvented chutes in a heavy wind do the Bernoulli, obviously ? (I've usually cut holes in the chutes). NEVER seen hang time like that one.

p.s. Gives some major re-structuring to my idea of flying a lower 1/2 of Stormcaster bach-job on F's. It weighs about the same thing as Elim does (oh, sorry, did).

#### Stymye

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sounds like "heavy wind" is the keyword on that one
I have launched the Eliminator on E's and recovered it fairly close to the pad but not my favorite for windy days...thats a pretty high flier

still one of my favorites any other time

#### NewEntity1

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There was one Eliminator launch last Saturday at the local club launch. It was only on a D12, and yet still was one of the highest flyers that day (although not thee highest flyer that day )

#### cls

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spacecowboy - don't forget, the wind you feel on the ground is somewhat less than what's up at altitude. so that 20 mph might have been 25 or 30 up at 1800' where your big E went. big hang time like that almost sounds like thermals.

other options -

fly smaller motor & shorter delay. C11s are great for that.

#### BlueNinja

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I was wanting a 29mm version. Hmm... Wonder how big that'd be for 29mm... If it would be strong enough. 20 bucks sounds like a pretty good price, I will probably buy one. I will also try Neil's design.

#### Neil

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Well, I would go with 10" in diameter, and cut it out of an old cereal box, and use a LOT of duct tape, that or Epoxy. That should work fine. I am gonna make one like that. Ill post pics. You could make double-layer of cereal boxes. Thatd work.

#### BlueNinja

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Can you send me one of those patterns? I'll make one next weekend if possible.

#### Neil

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Ill need your Email. It wont let me use the form....

#### RocketboyG80

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Spacecowboy, I would use a streamer for that kit if I were you. I usually buy mylar streamers from apogeerockets.com and cut them to the right size. For a rocket like the Eliminator I would use a 1.5" x 30" size streamer. Now this is just me, and I am known to use some very small recovery devices. People often comment at launches "He's only using a streamer on that?" I've used mylar streamers no bigger than 3" x 50" for rockets weighing almost a pound. I have yet to damage a rocket in the slightest way doing this, maybe I'm just lucky, but they sure land close by.

#### PWALPOCO

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Spacecowboy,

My freinds and I lauched over the weekend , the conditions were excellent as there was virtually no wind. We guess 5 mph MAX though more likely no more than 2-3mph , it was very calm.

Our highest flying birds that day were only rated for 1000ft , just over 300m as we were on a small field. With a regular chute , I think about 12inches , these were drifting about 500m. Over 1.5 times the altitude. Even using vented chutes we only reduced the drift by 100m or so.

I dont know the altitude your Elim got to , but Im guessing once you factor in the wind speed you reported the drift you mention doesnt seem unreasonable.

This is a lesson myself and the others in my "newbie" group are
quickly learning ........ you can NEVER have enough space. We are looking again at our limited options .......

Paul