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MaxQ said:
I didn't hate it...just didn't see much to it.
I know there must've been some interesting things at an LDRS other than hyped up competitions for the TV ...(really now ...LOL).

(Your wife hated it? She's not one of those "people who are not rocketeers " that loved it?)
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Max,
No, she is actually better at rockets than I. She gets along great with crazy Jim and TIM. They helped her build her level 2 last year. She loves big sparky motors. Her only hitch is that she believes that an argument is a situation when she and the other person debate something until they realize they are wrong and she is right. :D
 
FWIW, I enjoyed both LDRS broadcasts. I think this one was done 'better' in that Kari seemed to be more familiar with the concepts and there was an actual effort made to at least present some of the terms that we use. I thought they did a better job of 'walking' the crowd last year, and showing rocketeers and projects not directly involved in the events, but I liked the history lesson from the first LDRS.

My main complaint, is that as best I could tell Tripoli wasn't even mentioned as an organization. My suggestion, is that Tripoli insist that they be allowed to air a 30s spot in the next broadcast that is essentially an advertisement for the organization. If you want a good idea of how this could be done, take a look at MDRA's promotional video:

https://www.mdrocketry.org/membership/promo/MDRA.wmv

I'm sure with all the talent producing the fantastic video's we have of these events that something similar could be done to show the general public who we are and why they might be interested.
 
The thing I find interesting is that all the Goom and Doom I hear about isn't happening, at least from what I'm hearing.

Instead, I've had people I know who saw the show start asking questions about it. Nobody has the "ooh, you like to blow stuff up!" questions, either -- what happened, why, what caused it, how do you build those things....

It has generated genuine interest.

-Kevin
 
troj said:
The thing I find interesting is that all the Goom and Doom I hear about isn't happening, at least from what I'm hearing.

Instead, I've had people I know who saw the show start asking questions about it. Nobody has the "ooh, you like to blow stuff up!" questions, either -- what happened, why, what caused it, how do you build those things....

It has generated genuine interest.

-Kevin
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That's good.

Kevin:
was there anything at this LDRS that you would've liked to have seen covered in the show, that wasn't?
 
Two questions:

1. What happened with Kevin's motor?

2. When is Kari going to get her Level 1?
 
My wife and I watched the show last night. I saw a few names I recognized from the Internet and spotted a couple of people that I've met in person over the years.

Overall, I thought the show was enjoyable and generally presented us in a favorable light, though it did focus on things going wrong. And, I cringed when the kid said something about the failed motor turning into a "pipe bomb." Of course, the video of the motor failure wasn't very dramatic, so it took the edge off of what he said.

I got a kick out of seeing the mother/son rocketry team. The Tiki Hut rocket was fun and I was pleased that it flew well. The video of rockets soaring into the clear blue sky looked really good in HD.

The failure of the really big rocket was, at least, spectacular. I can't do it justice in words so I won't try, but the discussion after that flight was funny.

I laughed at the definition of "CATO" that was given. Not only was it described as an acronym, but the definition of the acronym was different than usual.

I think that next year, CTI should sponsor the drag race so that all of the rockets jump off the pad at the same time. That would be cooler than the staggered launches we saw in the show.

-- Roger
 
If anything I think I'd like to see more of what LDRS has always been about and not JUST the crap Science Channel invented for the show. For those who think "at least it's some press" be carefull. We who fly know better but the unwashed masses don't. After the first broadcast last year I overheard a newcommer say "I was hoping to see more explosions". Want to guess where he got that Idea? We as a rocketry community have fought long and hard to promote the hobby as family friendly, educational and most of all SAFE. Are we so desperate for growth that we're willing to risk all the headway gained? I know it's entertainment, I know it's largely staged, I also know it's cool to see rocketry presented on nationwide TV. What we need to remember is those NOT in rocketry, that we would like to see IN rocketry, Don't know better. People who don't know better, See this crap on TV, "Science Channel" no less and take it as the know all and end all fact. I don't know. I'm having trouble seeing the overall benefit. My 2cents.
 
MaxQ said:
was there anything at this LDRS that you would've liked to have seen covered in the show, that wasn't?
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I understand the "contests" are a reality, and we're likely stuck with them.

That said, my feedback to Scott (the producer) was that I would like to see a bit more coverage of the rest of LDRS, beyond just the contests.

Remember, Punkin Chunkin started out as a one hour show; it's now two hours. Two hours provides time to cover more of the "other stuff" that makes LDRS what it is.

FWIW, I flew three rockets at LDRS -- two were buckets, and one was the Safety Rocket (a group project). I told them I didn't want to have the film crew involved with one of them, as it was a certification flight. They respected that.

-Kevin
 
judo said:
1. What happened with Kevin's motor?
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Not "my" motor -- the group's motor.

The problem is the machinist cut the threads too deep, leaving 1/32" of material to hold the case together.

2. When is Kari going to get her Level 1?
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Good question! I think I need to send an email to the producer, suggesting that someone work with Kari on building a rocket for her to certify on!

-Kevin
 
troj said:
Good question! I think I need to send an email to the producer, suggesting that someone work with Kari on building a rocket for her to certify on!

-Kevin
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That would be awesome. It would really put the focus where it will do the most good for rocketry, squarely on: "Hey, that looks like fun. I can do that too, I just need to find those Trippolee guys near me."
 
stantonjtroy said:
...I overheard a newcommer say "I was hoping to see more explosions". Want to guess where he got that Idea?...
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Hmmm...from the title? :wink:

Large Dangerous Rocket Ships

From an advert:

Once a year, the premiere event in high-power rocketry gathers the most fearless and hardcore of all amateur rocket builders... Here, they launch the biggest, the baddest...to guys who just love to see things explode...The event is simply known as Large Dangerous Rocket Ships, and that’s just what it is...rebels of rocketry...unpredictable, entirely homemade...And our host, Kari Byron is giving you a front row seat to it all..

(Emphasis added)

This is what the events billed as (including pretty ladies)...so it's what the public expects.
 
stantonjtroy said:
If anything I think I'd like to see more of what LDRS has always been about and not JUST the crap Science Channel invented for the show. For those who think "at least it's some press" be carefull. We who fly know better but the unwashed masses don't. After the first broadcast last year I overheard a newcommer say "I was hoping to see more explosions". Want to guess where he got that Idea? We as a rocketry community have fought long and hard to promote the hobby as family friendly, educational and most of all SAFE. Are we so desperate for growth that we're willing to risk all the headway gained? I know it's entertainment, I know it's largely staged, I also know it's cool to see rocketry presented on nationwide TV. What we need to remember is those NOT in rocketry, that we would like to see IN rocketry, Don't know better. People who don't know better, See this crap on TV, "Science Channel" no less and take it as the know all and end all fact. I don't know. I'm having trouble seeing the overall benefit. My 2cents.
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Ditto: My thoughts as well. Both shows were mostly crap. At least a 50/50 mix of crap and nice decent projects showing some great launches wouldn't be so bad.
 
Cato's (explosions) are unfortunately part of rocketry. Fortunately electronics and parts cost a pretty penny, so anyone getting into rocketry to blow up a rocket unsafely will be highly convinced not to because of the price to do so.
 
troj said:
Not "my" motor -- the group's motor.

The problem is the machinist cut the threads too deep, leaving 1/32" of material to hold the case together.
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That wasn't the only problem or the end would just have blown off. Splitting the case lengthwise requires some serious overpressure. The only times I've split a case was when there was burning in places that should have been inhibited or a grain failure clogs the core or nozzle.
 
stantonjtroy said:
For those who think "at least it's some press" be carefull. We who fly know better but the unwashed masses don't. After the first broadcast last year I overheard a newcommer say "I was hoping to see more explosions". Want to guess where he got that Idea? We as a rocketry community have fought long and hard to promote the hobby as family friendly, educational and most of all SAFE. Are we so desperate for growth that we're willing to risk all the headway gained? I know it's entertainment, I know it's largely staged, I also know it's cool to see rocketry presented on nationwide TV. What we need to remember is those NOT in rocketry, that we would like to see IN rocketry, Don't know better. People who don't know better, See this crap on TV, "Science Channel" no less and take it as the know all and end all fact. I don't know. I'm having trouble seeing the overall benefit. My 2cents.
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Is it really any different than someone saying they watch NASCAR for the crashes? Don't they work hard to promote a safe sport? Do most people feel that that is all NASCAR and racing is, just a bunch of crashes? Of course not, so I think most people will realize that this is not what rocketry is all about either.
 
kelltym88 said:
Is it really any different than someone saying they watch NASCAR for the crashes? Don't they work hard to promote a safe sport? Do most people feel that that is all NASCAR and racing is, just a bunch of crashes? Of course not, so I think most people will realize that this is not what rocketry is all about either.
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Wait, you mean like me?!

Take all the racing, all season long, condense it down to a high (or low, depending on perspective) light reel of all the crashes, and that's all I'd consider watching.

NASCAR, beyond that, is just one yawn after another, to me.

Which, I do believe, is exactly your point.

I'm not in the demographic that NASCAR races are televised for. Nor am I in the demographic that the LDRS show is televised for.

It's really pretty simple -- take a step back, and quit taking yourself, and the hobby, so bloody seriously. Understand that TV is entertainment.

It's kinda like watching Mythbusters for "science".

Oh, and for the record, while monitoring the Twitter feed, someone said that it's shows like Mythbusters and LDRS that have gotten his 12 year old daughter interested in science.

-Kevin
 
I can sit though a NASCAR race but basketball or baseball is just tooooo boring to even sit through five minutes. Now if they would sneak in an exploding ball once a game that would be worth watching. It's 2011, weren't we supposed to have Rollerball by now?

I think the science channel would have a better show if they went to balls instead of LDRS. Perhaps LDRS should suspend these BS competitions so we could get a look at some of the really interesting projects. The whole idea of a network that calls itself the Science Channel concentrating on the hoopla instead of the science is a bit frustrating to me as a viewer.

No offense to anyone who was featured in the show but do we really need to see footage of a grown man shopping for a wedding dress for his rocket?
 
JPVegh said:
I can sit though a NASCAR race but basketball or baseball is just tooooo boring to even sit through five minutes. Now if they would sneak in an exploding ball once a game that would be worth watching. It's 2011, weren't we supposed to have Rollerball by now?

I think the science channel would have a better show if they went to balls instead of LDRS. Perhaps LDRS should suspend these BS competitions so we could get a look at some of the really interesting projects. The whole idea of a network that calls itself the Science Channel concentrating on the hoopla instead of the science is a bit frustrating to me as a viewer.

No offense to anyone who was featured in the show but do we really need to see footage of a grown man shopping for a wedding dress for his rocket?
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Jeff,

You didn't go to LDRS did you? If you would have attended, you would have noticed the TV competitions were held in a vastly different (and remote) part of the range so as not to disrupt the flyers who came to LDRS to fly their rockets on their time, their way.

"Suspend BS competitions"! They are not ours to suspend! This was the work of the TV production crews. They had a contract with the Tripoli national organization and we, the Kloudbusters, (in accepting conditions to bid on LDRS) had to host them.

With that said, this is the second LDRS I had a part in for filming of a rocket show. This one and the "Rocket Challenge" filmed in 2003. Everyone on the Sharp Entertainment filming crew from the executive producer down to the guys who drove the golf carts were way more professional and understanding that the folks that filmed the Rocket Challenge. I was in charge of their safety. Never once was one of my requests to back up or to do something different was every questioned. I'd do it again in a heart beat with this same production crew. (I took the job as film crew safety officer so that none of my club members got put in a compromising position. It never happened.)

OK!

You didn't like the show. Fine! Everyone heard you!

Their job was to film a show and sell it to the Science Channel. They know alot more about was makes a successful TV show than any of us. If they were to take the suggestions of this forum, they would have accomplished one of their two goals. They would have filmed the event but no channel would have aired it.

Guys, quit whining! If they made a show you liked it never would have made it on TV. Nothing in the show that was aired is negative! It showed rockets that crashed (it happens all the time), it showed a motor CATO (it happens all the time), it showed a bride being launched (OK, this doesn't happen very often but whats the harm). If it gets someone's interest and gets them to look up the local rocket club and travel out to one of the launches, the show did it's job.

We worked really hard both before and during the launch to accommodate both the TV folks and the regular LDRS flyers. At LDRS XXX, if you didn't want to be involved in the TV crap, you didn't have to. The regular LDRS ran just fine with plenty of pads, a 50,000'AGL waiver, and no lines. What more could you have wanted?

Bob Brown
Ex-Launch Director LDRS XXX
 
Loved! LDRS 30 Had a great! time, As for the filming? I could have cared less whether they were there or not.

Unsubscribed to thread.
 
BBrown said:
Guys, quit whining!
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BINGO

BBrown said:
We worked really hard both before and during the launch to accommodate both the TV folks and the regular LDRS flyers. At LDRS XXX, if you didn't want to be involved in the TV crap, you didn't have to. The regular LDRS ran just fine with plenty of pads, a 50,000'AGL waiver, and no lines. What more could you have wanted?
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I want to come to LDRS at Argonia again. That's what more I want. :cheers: Maybe an Airfest but not in 2012...
 
DAllen said:
I want to come to LDRS at Argonia again. That's what more I want. :cheers: Maybe an Airfest but not in 2012...
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If you want an LDRS in Argonia, come to AirFest -- it's just like LDRS, but the crowd is a little bit smaller.

Of course, that's why these guys can do it in their sleep -- they basically run an LDRS every year!

-Kevin
 
I watched the show with the neighbors(who are not currently into rockets), while I would have liked to see some of the other 900 flights...they enjoyed the show. I did have a quibble with their definition of a land shark...the neighbors were interested enough to ask questions about the drag race, to me that indicates that the show did its job of attracting viewers. will it bring people into the hobby? dunno, but it did open the door.
 
DAllen said:
BINGO



I want to come to LDRS at Argonia again. That's what more I want. :cheers: Maybe an Airfest but not in 2012...
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Dave,
Come to an airfest. I know you would enjoy it. The hole Kloudbuster crew are a blast. Airfest 15 had so many flights on saturday it wasn't funny. I forget how many it was, but it was unreal, and most of that day was LPR and MPR due to a low ceiling.

Speaking of the Kloudbuster crew...several of you guys help out with a certain project of mine this year. Thank you! Especially AMY.


John
 
BBrown said:
Jeff,

You didn't go to LDRS did you? If you would have attended, you would have noticed the TV competitions were held in a vastly different (and remote) part of the range so as not to disrupt the flyers who came to LDRS to fly their rockets on their time, their way.

"Suspend BS competitions"! They are not ours to suspend! This was the work of the TV production crews. They had a contract with the Tripoli national organization and we, the Kloudbusters, (in accepting conditions to bid on LDRS) had to host them.

With that said, this is the second LDRS I had a part in for filming of a rocket show. This one and the "Rocket Challenge" filmed in 2003. Everyone on the Sharp Entertainment filming crew from the executive producer down to the guys who drove the golf carts were way more professional and understanding that the folks that filmed the Rocket Challenge. I was in charge of their safety. Never once was one of my requests to back up or to do something different was every questioned. I'd do it again in a heart beat with this same production crew. (I took the job as film crew safety officer so that none of my club members got put in a compromising position. It never happened.)

OK!

You didn't like the show. Fine! Everyone heard you!

Their job was to film a show and sell it to the Science Channel. They know alot more about was makes a successful TV show than any of us. If they were to take the suggestions of this forum, they would have accomplished one of their two goals. They would have filmed the event but no channel would have aired it.

Guys, quit whining! If they made a show you liked it never would have made it on TV. Nothing in the show that was aired is negative! It showed rockets that crashed (it happens all the time), it showed a motor CATO (it happens all the time), it showed a bride being launched (OK, this doesn't happen very often but whats the harm). If it gets someone's interest and gets them to look up the local rocket club and travel out to one of the launches, the show did it's job.

We worked really hard both before and during the launch to accommodate both the TV folks and the regular LDRS flyers. At LDRS XXX, if you didn't want to be involved in the TV crap, you didn't have to. The regular LDRS ran just fine with plenty of pads, a 50,000'AGL waiver, and no lines. What more could you have wanted?

Bob Brown
Ex-Launch Director LDRS XXX
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Calm down, It was a comment on the Science Channel or the media in general and not a criticism of LDRS or your club. I found the show to be entertaining but lacking in substance and particularlly lacking in the flavor of what LDRS is. It is because I couldn't make it to LDRS that I was so dissapointed in what the show chose to portray. I have no doubts that your club hosted a great LDRS. I for one would have appreciated just a few minutes on what it takes to host such a large launch. I was gratified to see a bit of history on the first LDRS.

You're right there is no harm in launching a Manaquin or a Tiki Hut. In fact those things are fun to watch, props to the rocketeers that pulled it off. I was merely expressing my opinion that they(the tv people) put too much time into the hoopla when I know there were a lot of really cool projects that didn't get the time of day. I don't think I'm the only one who would have enjoyed seeing a few of those projects. Nor do I think that showing those projects would be bad TV. I expect more from the Science Channel.

I didn't think I was whining in expressing my opinion. I guess we all have to be on the same page here? I didn't get that memo.
 
troj said:
Wait, you mean like me?!

Take all the racing, all season long, condense it down to a high (or low, depending on perspective) light reel of all the crashes, and that's all I'd consider watching.

NASCAR, beyond that, is just one yawn after another, to me.



-Kevin
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