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Ephesians 4:1 (Paraphrased) Walk worthy of the occupation to which you are called.

You're a good man, Chuck.

If we lived in the same town, pretty sure we'd be friends and rocket buddies.

Get some sleep.
 
Ephesians 4:1 (Paraphrased) Walk worthy of the occupation to which you are called.

You're a good man, Chuck.

If we lived in the same town, pretty sure we'd be friends and rocket buddies.

Get some sleep.

Thank you. I think same can be said for many of us.
 
I appreciate it. I don't want anyone to think I regret my decision to go into medicine. I love medicine and helping others. My father and grandfather were physicians. Both encourage me not to be a physician. If I were economically independent, I would work in a free clinic. I truly do not do it for money.

I really love others and want to help. I can be a "cold fish" but that really is only when I overtasked or stressed.

Chuck,

One quick question . . .

How did you decide to become an Osteopath ( D.O. ), as opposed to an "Allopath" ( M.D. - Medical Doctor ) ?

Dave F.
 
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Chuck,

One quick question . . .

How did you decide to become an Osteopath ( D.O. , as opposed to an "Allopath" ( M.D. - Medical Doctor ) ?

Dave F.

To honest, It was not a decision I took lightly. My Dad, grandfather, and 2 cousins are allopaths. I applied to 4 schools and It was the first school I was offered. I had easily accepted so I accepted and never looked back. I would have never met my wife. Life happens for a reason.

In practice there is little difference, but we do have a few more manipulative and preventive courses.
 
To honest, It was not a decision I took lightly. My Dad, grandfather, and 2 cousins are allopaths. I applied to 4 schools and It was the first school I was offered. I had easily accepted so I accepted and never looked back. I would have never met my wife. Life happens for a reason.

In practice there is little difference, but we do have a few more manipulative and preventive courses.

Once upon a time the allopaths (AMA) wanted to absorb the osteopaths. The osteopaths rejected that. Both have the same accreditation. I’m proud that my daughter is a D.O.
 
Once upon a time the allopaths (AMA) wanted to absorb the osteopaths. The osteopaths rejected that. Both have the same accreditation. I’m proud that my daughter is a D.O.

As you should be. Medical folks give of themselves to make other's lives better. It is often to their own detriment to give so much.

DOs are taught a different approach to patients and families. It is a different focus to get to, hopefully, a superior result. The holistic approach I learned in medicine has helped me as a provider, leader, parent, and husband.

As a tangent: D.O.s focus on allowing the body to heal itself. We learn alternative approaches to treat diseases such as manipulation. In fact, Occupation Therapy, Physical Therapy, and Chiropractics have an interrelated history. Yes, Osteopaths use medications but we taught a whole patient and family approach to medicine. Many MDs or allopathic programs have added this, but it was a part of osteopathy from the start.
 
Chuck, NateB

We are proud of you and the examples you set.

When this is over you can look back and know you made a difference for the good.

And someday someone REALLY important is going to say

"Well done good and faithful servant!"
 
Coronavirus: Italian doctor at epicenter of outbreak warns the world to act now

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...icenter-outbreak-warns-world-act-now-n1165926

March 22, 2020, 7:52 AM EDT
By Henry Austin and Matteo Moschella

“Quite a few” patients between the ages of 20 and 30, who were in a “severe” condition like the older patients, said Dr. Antonio Pensenti.

An Italian doctor treating patients at the center of the worst coronavirus outbreak in Europe has issued a stark warning to other countries yet hit by the full force of the pandemic: lock down.

“We know what happens," Dr. Emanuela Catenacci told British broadcaster Sky News as she took a break from treating patients in an intensive care ward in the Cremona Hospital in Lombardy. "Don’t think it is happening here and it can’t happen everywhere else … because it will."

The death toll in Italy jumped by 793 to 4,825 on Saturday, by far the largest daily rise in absolute terms since the contagion emerged a month ago in this country. Last week, the number of those killed in Italy's outbreak surpassed those who died in China, where the disease first emerged late last year.

"It is genuinely heartbreaking covering this story and it's made worse knowing that our own families are vulnerable too."

Chief correspondent @ramsaysky reports from an ICU in Italy on the "brink of collapse" during the #coronavirus pandemic https://t.co/RIC8yCHrc5

— Sky News (@SkyNews) March 22, 2020

While Lombardy, the epicenter of the Italian outbreak, has been under lockdown for weeks, the central government has been criticized for not acting quickly or forcefully enough to stem the outbreak. On Saturday, Prime Minister Guiseppe Conte described as the worst crisis faced by the country since the end of World War II.

In the hospital in Cremona to the east of Milan, Dr. Leonor Tamayo told Sky News, which like NBC News is owned by Comcast, that they were overwhelmed by a "tsunami" of patients.

The hospital has run out of space to store bodies and has been forced to keep them in a nearby church.

Comparing the outbreak to a “war,” she said: “We are here 12 hours a day. Only we are going home for a few hours and come back here for the work because we are here for the patients.”

As they struggled to cope with a huge number of patients, doctors said they are trying to dispel the myth that only the elderly are dying from coronavirus related illnesses.

"Fifty percent of our patients in the intensive care unit, which are the most severe patients, are over 65 years old," Dr. Antonio Pensenti, the head of the intensive-care crisis unit in the northern region of Lombardy, on Saturday. "But that means that the other 50 percent of our patients are younger than 65.”

Pensenti said that his team were treating “quite a few” patients between the ages of 20 and 30, who were in a “severe” condition like the older patients, although he added that the younger patients were “usually healthier and survived more.”

Taking further restrictive measures in a bid to stem the outbreak, Lombardy’s Governor Attilio Fontana signed a new order Saturday imposing even more stringent restrictions on residents, banning outdoor exercise and implementing temperature checks at supermarkets and pharmacies.

In an address to the nation, he said his government would close every factory in the country, unless they were deemed essential until Apr. 3.

However, pharmacies, supermarkets, banks and public transport would continue to operate.

After the announcement, Finance Minister Roberto Gualtieri wrote on his social media accounts that it was “a necessary decision" that could "save human lives.”

On Sunday, the Russian military will start sending medical help to Italy to help it to battle the new coronavirus after receiving an order from President Vladimir Putin, Russia's Defense Ministry said in a statement, according to the Reuters.

Putin spoke to Conte on Saturday, the Kremlin said in a statement, adding that the Russian leader had offered his support and help in the form of mobile disinfection vehicles and specialists to aid the worst-hit Italian regions.
 
Up and off to work I go. Another 16-18 hours - now for the 9th day. I can't wait to spend that time check, wait, I don't get overtime. :rolleyes:
Chuck, appreciate the work and dedication. Have strength, 2 Cor. 4:7.
 
Chuck, appreciate the work and dedication. Have strength, 2 Cor. 4:7.

Thanks, you can gain a lot from faith. Thanks for the verse to review.

I have been gifted with a skill. I hope my body continues to provide strength to lead us through this ordeal. I think the toughest thing is coming home to an empty apartment with my family just a little over 2 hours south of me.
 
Thanks, you can gain a lot from faith. Thanks for the verse to review.

I have been gifted with a skill. I hope my body continues to provide strength to lead us through this ordeal. I think the toughest thing is coming home to an empty apartment with my family just a little over 2 hours south of me.

Thank you for everything you’re doing. Stay strong. Let us know how to support you.
 
Thanks, you can gain a lot from faith. Thanks for the verse to review.

I have been gifted with a skill. I hope my body continues to provide strength to lead us through this ordeal. I think the toughest thing is coming home to an empty apartment with my family just a little over 2 hours south of me.

So sorry you're not getting to see your family. I hope you can Skype or FaceTime to at least see and talk with them. Take care of yourself.
 
Surgeon General has coronavirus warning: 'This week, it's going to get bad'

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...onavirus-warning-week-it-s-going-get-n1166421


The disease is spreading, the surgeon general said, because many people are not following the guidance to stay at home.

U.S. surgeon general Jerome Adams on coronavirus: 'This week it's going to get bad'

March 23, 2020, 7:59 AM EDT
By Rebecca Shabad

WASHINGTON — Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams warned Monday that the coronavirus outbreak will worsen this week and said that people across the country are not taking the threat seriously enough.

“I want America to understand this week, it's going to get bad,” Adams said in an interview on the “TODAY” show.

The disease is spreading, he said, because many people — especially young people — are not abiding by guidance to stay at home and practice social distancing.

“Right now, there are not enough people out there who are taking this seriously,” he said.

Full coverage of the coronavirus outbreak

Adams said that young people are flocking to the beaches in California and people are still heading to the National Mall in Washington to view the cherry blossom trees that bloom each year. He warned that young people need to understand that they can contract COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, and they can be hospitalized and potentially die from it.

“Everyone needs to act as if they have the virus right now. So, test or no test, we need you to understand you could be spreading it to someone else. Or you could be getting it from someone else. Stay at home,” he said.

Asked about growing pressure for President Donald Trump to use the Defense Production Act to force companies to mass produce critical supplies, Adams suggested that it’s not necessary at this point.

Download the NBC News app for full coverage of the coronavirus outbreak

“Here's the thing that people don't understand. You don't need to compel someone to do something they are already doing,” he said, adding that they’re already working with companies like Honeywell and Hanes that are already producing large quantities of the items needed.

“The other important point is that we're not going to ventilator our way out of this problem. We're not going to treat our way out of this problem,” he said. “The way you stop the spread of an infectious disease like this is with mitigation measures and preventing people from getting it in the first place.”
 
Chuck,

Thank you again for all you and other medical professionals are doing.

Question: Are there things that we as members of the public can do to support folks like you who are on the front lines? Directly or indirectly?
 
Folks, I am sorry. I have been distracted. Today, my day started at 0318 and I am still awake working at 2101. That is 18 hours today and I am going to bed. Reply to this post if I have missed your prior questions or if you have another. I will get to them on my next login.

When you've got a break:

Is there any basis to the NY times article indicating a loss of smell may be a sign of infection with this virus?
 
Surgeon General has coronavirus warning: 'This week, it's going to get bad'

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...onavirus-warning-week-it-s-going-get-n1166421


The disease is spreading, the surgeon general said, because many people are not following the guidance to stay at home.

U.S. surgeon general Jerome Adams on coronavirus: 'This week it's going to get bad'

March 23, 2020, 7:59 AM EDT
By Rebecca Shabad

WASHINGTON — Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams warned Monday that the coronavirus outbreak will worsen this week and said that people across the country are not taking the threat seriously enough.

“I want America to understand this week, it's going to get bad,” Adams said in an interview on the “TODAY” show.

The disease is spreading, he said, because many people — especially young people — are not abiding by guidance to stay at home and practice social distancing.

“Right now, there are not enough people out there who are taking this seriously,” he said.

Full coverage of the coronavirus outbreak

Adams said that young people are flocking to the beaches in California and people are still heading to the National Mall in Washington to view the cherry blossom trees that bloom each year. He warned that young people need to understand that they can contract COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, and they can be hospitalized and potentially die from it.

“Everyone needs to act as if they have the virus right now. So, test or no test, we need you to understand you could be spreading it to someone else. Or you could be getting it from someone else. Stay at home,” he said.

Asked about growing pressure for President Donald Trump to use the Defense Production Act to force companies to mass produce critical supplies, Adams suggested that it’s not necessary at this point.

Download the NBC News app for full coverage of the coronavirus outbreak

“Here's the thing that people don't understand. You don't need to compel someone to do something they are already doing,” he said, adding that they’re already working with companies like Honeywell and Hanes that are already producing large quantities of the items needed.

“The other important point is that we're not going to ventilator our way out of this problem. We're not going to treat our way out of this problem,” he said. “The way you stop the spread of an infectious disease like this is with mitigation measures and preventing people from getting it in the first place.”

I don’t disagree. I think we need to remain calm and out of public.
 
Shelter in place order issued by the mayor here from 4:30 PM today until April 30.
Going out in public only allowed for emergencies and getting groceries and gas.
Question: If at the end of that period no widespread community outbreak has occurred, won't the possibility of that occurring continue in the future? Are we timing this wrong? Will the nation have rolling lockdowns?
Guess I won't be launching for awhile.:(
 
I doubt that is a reliable or true statement.
Actually, their zero claim isn't even supported by their own official numbers. Take a look at them. And until 70% of their entire population has had it and recovered, it simply cannot die out. Period. Same for HERE, too, BTW. They will experience an inevitable second wave and their zero cases claim is to get people back to work to avoid financial ruin [which might come anyway because world demand for their stuff, other than PPE, is going to crater - W] and to set up the excuse already being made in their official statements that only outsiders coming into the country are going to be solely responsible.
 
Here's what's going to happen with sheltering in place to "flatten the curve":

Loop until 70% have had it and recovered:
1. Shelter - destroy economy further
2. Come out of shelter - virus returns

We can destroy our economy and end up with similar results to what would happen if we didn't destroy our economy. 85-90% of people who have it are not hospitalized and many don't even realize they have had it. Ventilators? 95+% of people in China who went on ventilators died anyway. For the more elderly population of the Diamond Princess, 7 of 700 have died.

Require quarantine of only the most vulnerable and protect them to the maximum extent possible. Everyone else proceeds as normal with MUCH improved hygiene to flatten the curve while keeping the economy going. Once possible, there should be MASSIVE single-blood-droplet pin prick rapid result testing for COVID-19 antibodies (that test already exists). Maybe even give a card to those who have had it and recovered so they can return to work and keep the economy going.

Israel is doing this:

 
Actually, their zero claim isn't even supported by their own official numbers. Take a look at them. And until 70% of their entire population has had it and recovered, it simply cannot die out. Period. Same for HERE, too, BTW. They will experience an inevitable second wave and their zero cases claim is to get people back to work to avoid financial ruin [which might come anyway because world demand for their stuff, other than PPE, is going to crater - W] and to set up the excuse already being made in their official statements that only outsiders coming into the country are going to be solely responsible.

Calm is essential - panic is doing no good. There is a difference between protecting one self with due diligence and out right panic. Buying 10 bags of beans to hole up in your closet a methane cloud is just plain crazy.
 
Calm is essential - panic is doing no good. There is a difference between protecting one self with due diligence and out right panic. Buying 10 bags of beans to hole up in your closet a methane cloud is just plain crazy.
See Israel's solution in my post 506 above and why there is absolutely no need for panic once you realize how right what THEY are doing is.
 
Calm is essential - panic is doing no good. There is a difference between protecting one self with due diligence and out right panic. Buying 10 bags of beans to hole up in your closet a methane cloud is just plain crazy.

Chuck,

One key thing to remember is that, apparently, no "immunity", of any type, is developed by coming down Covid-19. You could keep getting re-exposed and re-contracting it, theoretically, perpetually.

Yes, I realize that Naftali Bennett, the Minister of Defense for Israel, said that people would be IMMUNE after recovery, in the YouTube video above . . . HOWEVER, that is the ONLY SOURCE that has said that, to my knowledge !

Since it's an RNA virus and mutates frequently, would ANY vaccine be able to provide adequate protection against it ?

Dave F.
 
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