Can't seem to copy off this phone. Maybe some one else in the club will post a link.
Thanks! Hopefully we can get 1000 signatures.
No boundaries required. Model rocketry knows no boundaries!How many of you signing this petition live within the boundaries of the area in question?
You have no clue how municipal governments work. None. Zero. Zip. Nada.No boundaries required. Model rocketry knows no boundaries!
However noble your effort, you have to remember that municipal governments are elected bodies. Elected bodies cater to the whims of voters who can either keep them in office or send them home. There's a big difference in going down swinging and tilting at windmills.
There's also a big difference between a two bit demagogue and a representative who truly represents the best interest of their constituents. I know from lots of personal experience that both types of people are found in government. Encourage them to do the right thing and give them the space and support to do so. If they act like jerks, it isn't because we didn't care. If that's 'tilting at windmills' it sure beats going quietly into the night.However noble your effort, you have to remember that municipal governments are elected bodies. Elected bodies cater to the whims of voters who can either keep them in office or send them home. There's a big difference in going down swinging and tilting at windmills.
Tilting at windmills.. maybe. Doing nothing is not acceptable in my opinion. The club is part of the community and the park is a shared community resource. Boatgeek is right, persistant respectful communication is the way forward. Regardless of the outcome of Mondays meeting I would encourage the folks to keep the dialog going. I hope some of the youth groups they've helped over the years can aid the lobbying effort.
There's also a big difference between a two bit demagogue and a representative who truly represents the best interest of their constituents. I know from lots of personal experience that both types of people are found in government. Encourage them to do the right thing and give them the space and support to do so. If they act like jerks, it isn't because we didn't care. If that's 'tilting at windmills' it sure beats going quietly into the night.
Jim
If there are TARC teams from local high schools, see if they can recruit their government/civics teacher in to help. At the very least, students might be able to get class credit for showing up to council meetings.
Thank you SecondRow. Sound advice to those who are obvious extremely wet behind the ears. The officials DON'T give a good goddamn about a bunch of old that aren't going to be able to play with their toys anymore. And an online petition IS worth LESS than the piece of paper it's printed on. I know what will happen at that meeting. A committee will be formed to "further study" the issue. (If you're lucky.). And they'll string you along with the same amount of bullshit until the deadline approaches and this will happen: You'll be praised for your past accomplishments, patted on the head and told to go play with your toys somewhere else. Face: The decision's been made+1. Involving the students that you’ve helped is the best way to change the council members’ minds. Did I see that you’ve helped scouts, too? If you can, have a representative from scouting speak at the meeting on your behalf backed up a group of kids who have been to the launches, dressed in their class A’s of course.
The bottom line is that the officials don’t give a good goddamn about a bunch of old guys that aren’t going to be able to play with their toys anymore. They might care if they see that children are affected. The visual display of kids at the meeting in support of your cause will do more for you than anything else at the moment. But you can’t take an antagonistic approach, no matter how justified you are. In the end, if the end goal was to get rid of rocketry no matter what, there’s nothing you can do except run for city council.
And an online petition is worth less than the piece of paper it’s printed on.
There's only three words missing from your oratory: There's also a big difference between a two bit demagogue and a representative who truly represents the best interest of A MAJORITY OF their constituents. I know from lots of personal experience that both types of people are found in government. Encourage them to do the right thing and give them the space and support to do so. If they act like jerks, it isn't because we didn't care. If that's 'tilting at windmills' it sure beats going quietly into the night. You make iot sound like the fate of Lakewood Colorado depends on keeping C.R.A.S.H. in that park. It doesn't, trust me.There's also a big difference between a two bit demagogue and a representative who truly represents the best interest of their constituents. I know from lots of personal experience that both types of people are found in government. Encourage them to do the right thing and give them the space and support to do so. If they act like jerks, it isn't because we didn't care. If that's 'tilting at windmills' it sure beats going quietly into the night.
Jim
No, I think the future of Lakewood has already been determined, that's why I no longer live there. That doesn't mean I should reward despotic behavior simply because I was expecting it.There's only three words missing from your oratory: There's also a big difference between a two bit demagogue and a representative who truly represents the best interest of A MAJORITY OF their constituents. I know from lots of personal experience that both types of people are found in government. Encourage them to do the right thing and give them the space and support to do so. If they act like jerks, it isn't because we didn't care. If that's 'tilting at windmills' it sure beats going quietly into the night. You make iot sound like the fate of Lakewood Colorado depends on keeping C.R.A.S.H. in that park. It doesn't, trust me.
No, I think the future of Lakewood has already been determined, that's why I no longer live there. That doesn't mean I should reward despotic behavior simply because I was expecting it.
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Despotic? Aren't we being a bit dramatic here? The community has to take into account the wishes of the majority, not those of a niche hobby. Deep sigh. I guess you're just one of those folks who brand those who put value on your pet projects despotic. And by the way: Complaining without offering a PRACTICAL solution is just whining. Expecting a community to be swayed by 1000 signers of a petition from God knows where isn't a PRACTICAL solution
I bet the Lakewood Parks and Recreation Department is quivering in their bootsUpdate on the petition: It's going pretty strong on multiple Facebook pages. 370 signatures including mine at this time.
Update on the petition: It's going pretty strong on multiple Facebook pages. 370 signatures including mine at this time.
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