And then sell on the next dip..... (how to make a small fortune by starting with a large one)
Hans. (been there, done that)
And then they do a 10 to 1 "reverse split" and your $100 stock is now only $10
And then sell on the next dip..... (how to make a small fortune by starting with a large one)
Hans. (been there, done that)
The NTSB preliminary investigation report is out:
https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/Documents/DCA24MA063 Preliminary report.pdf
It does not look good for Boeing.
That was quite the read... and I agree, it does seem that Boeing really dropped the ball on this one.The NTSB preliminary investigation report is out:
https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/Documents/DCA24MA063 Preliminary report.pdf
It does not look good for Boeing.
I’m at least glad nobody fell thousands of feet and got turned into a pancake. That is a mess.The NTSB report was the top of the front page of the Seattle Times today with another extensive story by Dominic Gates.
Basically the NTSB confirmed the only plausible (to me, at least) mechanism for this to have happened. There are going to be some interesting times down at the end of whichever of the three final assembly lines this airplane rolled out from. There probably should be some interesting times on all three lines (and the now on-hold fourth line up in Everett) actually.
Since they had to pull insulation and interior pieces for access, those discrepant rivets weren't noticed, or at least dealt with, in the first position the fuselages are put into after they come off the train — which is where the insulation goes in along with wiring and such — but some time later. So not only did the bolts get "lost" in the handoff between shifts (and between Spirit- and Boeing-badged mechanics) it also happened further down the line than it should have. Or so it seems to me.
What a mess!
There was an initial report about a woman traveling with her son, and the son lost his shirt. Then I didn't hear anything else about it. No idea how old the son was, if the shirt was somehow removed from him by the wind (suction), or if perhaps it was an outer shirt that he was holding or was not fully fastened.I’m at least glad nobody fell thousands of feet and got turned into a pancake. That is a mess.
Not quite right.... They dropped the bolt.That was quite the read... and I agree, it does seem that Boeing really dropped the ball on this one.
Thanks, Tom.There was an initial report about a woman traveling with her son, and the son lost his shirt. Then I didn't hear anything else about it. No idea how old the son was, if the shirt was somehow removed from him by the wind (suction), or if perhaps it was an outer shirt that he was holding or was not fully fastened.
@BEC, I thank you for you even-handed professionalism through all of this. I still "root" for my former company and have friends there, of course. It looks like the trigger was the non-conforming rivets requiring the plug to be opened. Interesting that the possibility of a bad hand-off over shift change and crews under two different badges (and, I take it, two different supervisors). That's definitely a potent place for "gotcha's" to occur. But still, as unacceptable as it is, it's still a true "lightning bolt" event with respect to passenger safety. I'd get on one of those planes in a heartbeat if I needed to take to the air for some reason.
And that the ejected plug did not turn anyone on the ground into a pancake.I’m at least glad nobody fell thousands of feet and got turned into a pancake. That is a mess.
From that point of view, there's no such thing as suction, right? Whatever you call it, it's just air rushing from a higher pressure region to a lower pressure region.But I have to get pedantic: not suction, blowing from the inside of the plane.
Much like Congress...From that point of view, there's no such thing as suction, right? Whatever you call it, it's just air rushing from a higher pressure region to a lower pressure region.
To pick up on what @BEC said, I would say he's correct. Outside air is ambient, the cabin air is pressurized, so the cabin air blows out, it is not sucked out.Much like Congress...
The same place all the bolts holding number 3 on 1862 went.soo, where did all the bolts go??
or to the tune of "who let the dogs out." "who took the bolts out, who? who? who?"
To be a bit more pedantic: I think you've been victimized by autocorrect. Of course you meant pitot tube, not pilot tube....Think of a pilot tube. The opening in the front picks up dynamic pressure, the side openings pick up static (ambient) pressure. There is no Venturi effect to lower the pressure at the door opening below ambient.
DYAC! Of course I did! And I fixed it, beating the stupid high-speed moron into submission!!!To be a bit more pedantic: I think you've been victimized by autocorrect. Of course you meant pitot tube, not pilot tube....
(sorry)
The executives are definitely feeling the pain for this.A couple of new stories out today:
Boeing has 90 days to give the FAA a plan for improving quality:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...prove-safety-manufacturing-quality-rcna141168
The plug blowout may jeopardize Boeing's non-prosecution agreement with the Dept of Justice dating back to the Max crashes.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/29/business/boeing-justice-department-investigation/index.html
I'm not sure how seriously DOJ is about possibly re-opening prosecution. We'll find out in roughly June, when DOJ has to give a final report on the agreement to a court. I believe the court then has to approve closing out the agreement.
I would like to believe that they are, but executives rarely feel the pain that their policies cause. There was one guy who got fired, but everyone else is sitting relatively pretty. Even if criminal charges are contemplated, it's unlikely they will go to the top tier.The executives are definitely feeling the pain for this.
the reputation loss will cost them money in the future.I would like to believe that they are, but executives rarely feel the pain that their policies cause. There was one guy who got fired, but everyone else is sitting relatively pretty. Even if criminal charges are contemplated, it's unlikely they will go to the top tier.
soo, where did all the bolts go??
or to the tune of "who let the dogs out." "who took the bolts out, who? who? who?"
The engine is a CFM International product and likely maintained by United or a third party. Boeing is in all likelihood blameless.We've beat up on Boeing pretty good, what aircraft manufacturer is involved with the 3 recent United Airlines incidents?
1. lost wheel
2. collapsed landing gear
3. engine fire
When I read a press report of an "engine fire", I've remapped my neurons to immediately think "compressor stall". On that particular flight, the crew did an excellent job (per their training) returning to the airport, landing safely.The engine is a CFM International product and likely maintained by United or a third party. Boeing is in all likelihood blameless.
All UAL, eh? Well, who is taking care of those airplanes then?We've beat up on Boeing pretty good, what aircraft manufacturer is involved with the 3 recent United Airlines incidents?
1. lost wheel
2. collapsed landing gear
3. engine fire
The 737 in Houston was a MAX-8, and it was delivered in June of 2023. Initial reports point to a crew error. Attempting to exit the runway at a high speed, and causing a runway excursion and gear collapse.I think I heard that the 737 with the landing gear issue was about 20 years old, any number of maintenance or operational failures could have occurred in that time to cause it.
The 777 in question that lost the main landing gear wheel was a 777-200, and was delivered to United back in 2001. I'm guessing this bird just recently had a #10 tire change, and the axle nut wasn't torqued back on to spec. (250ft/lb if my memory is correct.... its been a while since I've replaced a wheel on a777)I don’t know anything about the 777 that lost the wheel, but if the aircraft is of some age, that also could have been a maintenance error.
My mistake, I mixed up those two 737s. That all makes perfect sense, thanks for that correction.So a few thoughts on these recent events.....
The 737 in Houston was a MAX-8, and it was delivered in June of 2023. Initial reports point to a crew error. Attempting to exit the runway at a high speed, and causing a runway excursion and gear collapse.
The 777 in question that lost the main landing gear wheel was a 777-200, and was delivered to United back in 2001. I'm guessing this bird just recently had a #10 tire change, and the axle nut wasn't torqued back on to spec. (250ft/lb if my memory is correct.... its been a while since I've replaced a wheel on a777)
the engine "fire" 737 was a 737-900 that was delivered new to Continental in 2002. And it has had a few engine changes by now at that age.
I will say this much, at the moment, I am sure glad that I no longer work for Boeing! I work onsite in Everett for a Boeing vendor, but not the big B any more!
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