My apologies. I promise to try and not take the bait from now on.
Yeah, it’s kind of unfortunate that some people invest so much time and effort into crapping in other people’s oatmeal.If someone is building a shed or a piece of art work in their backyard, you don't see others screaming "It's a pipe dream! It's nonsense! You'll never make it! You should build a treehouse instead! It's ugly! You're wasting your time and money!"
And if someone is making green H2, it is just as childish to rain on their parade. You don't see this in other TRF threads because it's not something people do.
People try out new techs the same way people play roulette and land claims. The only way to know what works is to try it out until ideas are exhausted.
Summit coming up;
https://greenhydrogen.solarenergyevents.com/
The neighbor building his shed or artwork is not relying on government subsidies/ tax credits. So called “green hydrogen” and most other “green” energies do. When money is taken from taxpayers to fund these new techs, then taxpayers have every right to rain on the parade. If the money is being squandered then the right becomes an obligation.If someone is building a shed or a piece of art work in their backyard, you don't see others screaming "It's a pipe dream! It's nonsense! You'll never make it! You should build a treehouse instead! It's ugly! You're wasting your time and money!"
And if someone is making green H2, it is just as childish to rain on their parade. You don't see this in other TRF threads because it's not something people do.
People try out new techs the same way people play roulette and land claims. The only way to know what works is to try it out until ideas are exhausted.
Summit coming up;
https://greenhydrogen.solarenergyevents.com/
Tax credits are not specific to green hydrogen ("green" here conventionally means "generated by renewable energy").The neighbor building his shed or artwork is not relying on government subsidies/ tax credits. So called “green hydrogen” and most other “green” energies do. When money is taken from taxpayers to fund these new techs, then taxpayers have every right to rain on the parade. If the money is being squandered then the right becomes an obligation.
The IRA gives generators of green H2 $3/kg. With no limit.Tax credits are not specific to green hydrogen ("green" here conventionally means "generated by renewable energy").
If you want to discuss tax credits, and why they are given whom, we can do so in literally any other thread of TRF because they support businesses, organizations and individuals of all kinds, and that would be politics. You will not find tax complaints in any of the the JWST, Space X, Apollo, Honest John and glue or paint threads, and I fully expect the same in here.
A discussion about fuel cells, ways to feed them, and uses is actually something that's possible.
Incorrect. The Inflation Reduction Act provides a 10-year “clean” hydrogen production tax credit of up to $3/kilogram. In addition “clean” hydrogen can receive an investment tax credit of up to 30% based on “carbon intensity” (how “green” it is).Tax credits are not specific to green hydrogen ("green" here conventionally means "generated by renewable energy").
If you want to discuss tax credits, and why they are given whom, we can do so in literally any other thread of TRF because they support businesses, organizations and individuals of all kinds, and that would be politics. You will not find tax complaints in any of the the JWST, Space X, Apollo, Honest John and glue or paint threads, and I fully expect the same in here.
A discussion about fuel cells, ways to feed them, and uses is actually something that's possible.
Naturally then you’ll lobby your legislators to get rid of mortgage tax exemptions, 401(k) deductions, and the child tax credit. Or do you just hate subsidies that you don’t personally get cash from?By and large I personally hate subsidies of almost all stripes.
I don’t claim any of those deductions/credits. If I had a mortgage or children or contributions to a 401(k) I no doubt I would take them since they are currently legal. That doesn’t mean I support them.Naturally then you’ll lobby your legislators to get rid of mortgage tax exemptions, 401(k) deductions, and the child tax credit. Or do you just hate subsidies that you don’t personally get cash from?
If you were truly ideologically consistent, you just wouldn’t claim any of those deductions on April 15. You know, because you hate subsidies that encourage particular sets of social behavior. I’ll be over here holding my breath waiting for that to happen.
My apologies. I promise to try and not take the bait from now on.
I'm not a chemist so I can only conjecture- some natural gas doesn't have much smell either so they add another gas to it to give it a smell. Similarly I wonder if another gas could be mixed in to cause the flame to look different. This doesn't reduce the dangers very much but it helps some.Hydrogen leaks can not be detected by smell, and hydrogen flame isn't visible to human eyes.
DoE is captured by fossil fuel companies, so they make motivated reasoning.So the brilliant scientists at the Dept. of Energy have got it all wrong?
Interesting.
Ah, I see.DoE is captured by fossil fuel companies, so they make motivated reasoning.
Wild. So that means you're either under 25 or over 60 on an odd pension program.I don’t claim any of those deductions/credits. If I had a mortgage or children or contributions to a 401(k) I no doubt I would take them since they are currently legal. That doesn’t mean I support them.
Weird. So the fact that I've never seen you on "what I did instead of rocketry" complaining about your increased tax burden when someone buys a house or has a child is just a coincidence? Seems like you make a habit out of singling out renewable fuels rather than tax subsidies as a whole. What, I ask, can it all mean?Heck I don’t even blame people who do since they are legal. I don’t blame people for taking the tax credit for an EV since it too is legal. Heck I don’t even hold it against a “green” hydrogen company taking their new tax credit since it is now legal. That doesn’t mean that I support the subsidies.
Ooooohh, now I get it! you just don't like renewables! So you wouldn't crap in the oatmeal of someone who just had a baby, but you think that crapping in the oatmeal of this thread will change public policy, or maybe even change minds, or ... something. Because everyone knows that random threads in the TRF Watering Hole are where public policy is made!I know lots of folks that support higher taxes for a variety of social programs but don’t single themselves out to voluntarily pay those higher rates. Nor would I expect them to even though they advocate for them.
One would be foolish to not take financial advantage of something that is legal even if they don’t support it. You’ve made it known that you dislike fossil fuels that receive subsidies
I see fossil fuels as a necessary evil at the moment. I depend on them for some aspects of my lifestyle, though I am working to make that a smaller and smaller part of the whole. My clients almost universally depend on fossil fuels. I also think that it's important to make fossil fuels an unnecessary evil, much in the same way that leaded gasoline went from a necessary evil to an unnecessary one. And, yes, I do walk the walk and spend my own money on that project. There are many examples on TRF if you care to take a look.but I bet you still enjoy purchases and activities that use them.
I’ve stated many times here at TRF that with rare exception I don’t like subsidies. I don’t like the political class picking winners and losers. The threads here are about renewables not mortgage deductions. Start a thread on the mortgage deduction or the child tax credit and I’ll be happy to comment.Wild. So that means you're either under 25 or over 60 on an odd pension program.
Weird. So the fact that I've never seen you on "what I did instead of rocketry" complaining about your increased tax burden when someone buys a house or has a child is just a coincidence? Seems like you make a habit out of singling out renewable fuels rather than tax subsidies as a whole. What, I ask, can it all mean?
Ooooohh, now I get it! you just don't like renewables! So you wouldn't crap in the oatmeal of someone who just had a baby, but you think that crapping in the oatmeal of this thread will change public policy, or maybe even change minds, or ... something. Because everyone knows that random threads in the TRF Watering Hole are where public policy is made!
I see fossil fuels as a necessary evil at the moment. I depend on them for some aspects of my lifestyle, though I am working to make that a smaller and smaller part of the whole. My clients almost universally depend on fossil fuels. I also think that it's important to make fossil fuels an unnecessary evil, much in the same way that leaded gasoline went from a necessary evil to an unnecessary one. And, yes, I do walk the walk and spend my own money on that project. There are many examples on TRF if you care to take a look.
If you want to talk policies and subsidies, start your own thread. The OP has repeatedly asked people to talk about technologies. Subsidies are no more relevant to emerging than the details of NASA contracts are to the origins of SpaceX.I’ve stated many times here at TRF that with rare exception I don’t like subsidies. I don’t like the political class picking winners and losers. The threads here are about renewables not mortgage deductions. Start a thread on the mortgage deduction or the child tax credit and I’ll be happy to comment.
Not sure why you feel a need to make this personal. We can discuss policy around various subsidies and policies without making it personal.
I, and others disagree. If a new technology requires taxpayer money to be financially viable then subsidies are very much a part of the how and why a technology emerges.If you want to talk policies and subsidies, start your own thread. The OP has repeatedly asked people to talk about technologies. Subsidies are no more relevant to emerging than the details of NASA contracts are to the origins of SpaceX.
FYI just about everything rocket and space related has been funded with taxpayer money, through loans, credits, grants, salaries, and outright purchases. But these allocations are politics, and it is a TRF policy not to discuss poltitics.I, and others disagree. If a new technology requires taxpayer money to be financially viable then subsidies are very much a part of the how and why a technology emerges.
Then stick to the technology and not how it makes or will make “financial sense”. It’s dishonest to suggest emerging technologies do/will make sense but then maintain that the very subsidies that help make them make sense cannot he discussed.It is a TRF policy not to discuss poltitics. This thread is for discussing the technology.
What's mind-boggling about this comment is that Funkworks (and pretty much every other person posting about technology) made no claims whatsoever about financial viability of hydrogen powered vehicles. They literally did exactly as you asked and stuck to the technology. And you went and brought up subsidies anyway. What can it all mean?Then stick to the technology and not how it makes or will make “financial sense”. It’s dishonest to suggest emerging technologies do/will make sense but then maintain that the very subsidies that help make them make sense cannot he discussed.
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