China launches new ISS module (video)

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On Wed., April 28, China launched a new module for the ISS, called Tianhe, or 'Heavenly Harmony', atop a heavy-lift Long March 5B rocket from the Wenchang Spacecraft Launch Site on the island of Hainan.
Article on Space.com at https://www.space.com/china-launches-core-module-tianhe-space-station

Official CCTV video below. I wish I spoke chinese. The discussion before the launch sounded very informative (but they could have been complaining about their wives' cooking for I know). Skip ahead to 52 minutes to see launch.

[edit] at about 80 seconds into the flight, you can see something happening to the nose of the booster on the left. At first I thought it was pixel error in a digital singal. Went back and watched it again. Nope. It's paint peeling off.
 
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My son deals with Asian companies and they will sell anything and everything to anybody who will pay them money.They need population control over there for sure as they are all competing for jobs for very low wages.
 
Congress passed a law in 2011 to ban China from the ISS due to national security concerns. Russia will leave the ISS soon and will be moving over to the Chinese station. Russia and China recently signed a new pact for a joint space program to develop a new space station, manned missions to the moon, space weapon research, and world domination thru the control of space. That's just to name a few :)
 
Not for the ISS. China has been barred from participating in the ISS. It's for their own space station.

Politics.
China has been barred from the ISS since 2011, when Congress passed a law prohibiting official American contact with the Chinese space program "due to concerns about national security".

https://space.stackexchange.com/que...will be a,events that caused the complication
Also, because the Chinese space program is mostly controlled by the military.

Unlike ours, right?
 
Unlike ours, right?

Right. What are you trying to say here? The military has nothing to do with the ISS or SLS programs or any other NASA program. And before you bring up the classified DoD shuttle missions, congress foisted that on the DoD, not the other way around. After Challenger happened, the DoD took the opportunity to stop designing payloads to fit in the shuttle bay.
 
I just thought it was cool that we got three orbital launches in less than two hours last night. First the Vega out of Kourou, then the Chinese space station module launch and then a Starlink launch. I bet we won't see that again for awhile.

I'll pass on choosing one of the various spacefaring battle ships....
 
The Long March 5 booster will re-enter uncontrolled in the next few days

https://spacenews.com/huge-rocket-l...entry-following-chinese-space-station-launch/
Long March 5B core stage likely to reenter the Earth's atmosphere in the coming days.

China launched the first module for its space station into orbit late Wednesday, but the mission launcher also reached orbit and is slowly and unpredictably heading back to Earth.
The Long March 5B, a variant of China’s largest rocket, successfully launched the 22.5-metric-ton Tianhe module from Wenchang Thursday local time. Tianhe separated from the core stage of the launcher after 492 seconds of flight, directly entering its planned initial orbit.
Designed specifically to launch space station modules into low Earth orbit, the Long March 5B uniquely uses a core stage and four side boosters to place its payload directly into low Earth orbit.
However this core stage is now also in orbit and is likely to make an uncontrolled reentry over the next days or week as growing interaction with the atmosphere drags it to Earth. If so, it will be one of the largest instances of uncontrolled reentry of a spacecraft and could potentially land on an inhabited area.
Most expendable rocket first stages do not reach orbital velocity and reenter the atmosphere and land in a pre-defined reentry zone. Some other larger, second stages perform deorbit burns to lower altitude to reduce time in orbit and lower chances of collisions with other spacecraft or to immediately reenter the atmosphere.
There had been speculation that the Long March 5B core would perform an active maneuver to deorbit itself, but that appears not to have happened. At a Wenchang press conference Thursday, Wang Jue, Commander-in-Chief of Long March 5B launch vehicle, stated (Chinese) that this second Long March 5B had seen improvements over the first launch, but a possible deorbit maneuver was not stated.
Ground based radars used by the U.S. military to track spacecraft and other objects in space have detected an object and catalogued it as the Long March 5B rocket body. Now designated 2021-035B, the roughly 30-meter-long, five-meter-wide Long March 5 core stage is in a 170 by 372-kilometer altitude orbit traveling at more than seven kilometers per second.

The first launch of the Long March 5B also saw the first stage reach orbit and make an uncontrolled reentry six days later. Reentry occurred over the Atlantic Ocean according to the U.S. Space Force’s 18th Space Control Squadron.
Had the event taken place 15-30 minutes earlier debris not destroyed by the heat of reentry could have landed on U.S. soil. The incident drew criticism from then NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine.

Unpredictable reentry
Where and when the new Long March 5B stage will land is impossible to predict. The decay of its orbit will increase as atmospheric drag brings it down into more denser. The speed of this process depends on the size and density of the object and variables include atmospheric variations and fluctuations, which are themselves influenced by solar activity and other factors.
The high speed of the rocket body means it orbits the Earth roughly every 90 minutes and so a change of just a few minutes in reentry time results in reentry point thousands of kilometers away.
The Long March 5B core stage’s orbital inclination of 41.5 degrees means the rocket body passes a little farther north than New York, Madrid and Beijing and as far south as southern Chile and Wellington, New Zealand, and could make its reentry at any point within this area.
The most likely event will see any debris surviving the intense heat of reentry falling into the oceans or uninhabited areas, but the risk remains of damage to people or property.
Spaceflight observer Jonathan McDowell told SpaceNews that the previous Long March 5B launch saw the most massive uncontrolled reentry in decades and the fourth biggest ever. “The Long March 5B core stage is seven times more massive than the Falcon 9 second stage that caused a lot of press attention a few weeks ago when it reentered above Seattle and dumped a couple of pressure tanks on Washington state.”
McDowell said he hoped China would have enhanced the core stage to perform a controlled deorbit after separating from Tianhe. “I think by current standards it’s unacceptable to let it reenter uncontrolled,” McDowell said.
“Since 1990 nothing over 10 tons has been deliberately left in orbit to reenter uncontrolled.” The Long March 5B core stage, without its four side boosters, is thought to have a “dry mass”, or when it is empty of propellent, of about 21 metric tons in mass.
Holger Krag, head of the Space Safety Programme Office for the European Space Agency, says from their experience, there is an average amount of mass of about 100 tons re-entering in an uncontrolled way per year. “This relates to about 50-60 individual events per year.”
“It is always difficult to assess the amount of surviving mass and number of fragments without knowing the design of the object, but a reasonable “rule-of-thumb” is about 20-40% of the original dry mass.”
Components made of heat resistant materials, such as tanks and thrusters made stainless steel or titanium, can reach the ground. Surviving objects will fall vertically after deceleration and travel at terminal velocity.
The largest and most famous incident was the 1979 reentry of NASA’s 76-ton Skylab, whose uncontrolled reentry scattered debris across the Indian Ocean and Western Australia.
A night time reentry could make for spectacular viewing, as with a recent reentry of a Falcon 9 second stage, with debris fortunately not causing harm.
China’s 8-ton Tiangong-1 spacelab made a high-profile uncontrolled reentry in 2018, while the successor Tiangong-2 was deorbited in a controlled manner in 2019.
 
My wife and I saw a rocket body go over us back a few years. I saw it on happen stance and my wife saw it as she was leaving work. It was the most spectacular thing I've ever seen in the sky. It was seen as far away as LA.
 
Congress passed a law in 2011 to ban China from the ISS due to national security concerns. Russia will leave the ISS soon and will be moving over to the Chinese station. Russia and China recently signed a new pact for a joint space program to develop a new space station, manned missions to the moon, space weapon research, and world domination thru the control of space. That's just to name a few :)
This doesn't sound good for our grandchildren.
 
God forbid we militarize (or maybe I should say weaponize) space, but sadly we seem to be headed that way.
Yup, and the first to have a satellite with energy or kinetic payloads aimed at the earth you would think would be the winner....only if they could take out all those nukes all sides have now....those are still the neutralizer for now.
 
Right. What are you trying to say here? The military has nothing to do with the ISS or SLS programs or any other NASA program.

Two things:
1). Prohibition on collaborating with the Chinese space program has been 100% politically motivated, and 0% anything else.
2). If military involvement with a space program is a show-stopper for cooperating with anyone, the same argument would certainly apply w.r.t. working with NASA for other countries. All national space programs are inseparable from, and grow out of military budget and political ambitions.

In broader terms, ISS project started as a "jobs" program for under-employed Russian rocket scientists in mid-90s, and as a vehicle for NASA to download Russian knowledge with space station design and operations. The former, to keep scientists from selling out to the highest bidder out of North Korea, Pakistan, Libya, China, was a marginal success. The latest NK ballistic missiles are exact copies of Soviet ones, so that didn't work too well. The latter motivation has also long been exhausted as well.

Yes, there is a little bit of science going on on ISS, and its existence supports SpaceX program, but the argument to keep those going as justification for ISS is marginal, at best.

The only OTHER national space program with interesting ambitions, accomplishments, and budget to back those up, is that of China. Russians are spent, prepping to abandon ISS, and are increasingly politically belligerent. Europeans, at best, pick at the table scraps from NASA program.
Chinese are the only ones who are doing anything exciting, other than NASA.
Eliminating cooperation with the only OTHER ballsy space program is strategically dumb, short sited, and counter-productive.

However, politically, it may be convenient.
There is a lot of China fear-mongering out there. If it helps to sell larger budgets for NASA, then OK, maybe. Otherwise, it's dumb and pointless.

More info on Chinese space station efforts from Scott Manley:


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Can the SDF-1 join the ring?
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Aside from all the geopolitical stuff, one of my first thoughts on watching this is "hey, that's a nice looking rocket, I wonder if anyone is doing scale models of it", I'm kind of surprised how little showed up on a quick web search. Anyone thinking about building one?
 
Aside from all the geopolitical stuff, one of my first thoughts on watching this is "hey, that's a nice looking rocket, I wonder if anyone is doing scale models of it", I'm kind of surprised how little showed up on a quick web search. Anyone thinking about building one?

That might be a geopolitical thing in itself. Are Asian products and websites all available in the West? Are all western products and websites available in Asia? I would assume that most people building this, if anyone, are Asians, living in China, and posting on Chinese forums instead of here.

That said, Apogee rockets has a few Asian flying rockets, and many non-flying plastic model kits at my local hobby shops are from Chinese and Japanese companies but I forget the names.
 
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Aside from all the geopolitical stuff, one of my first thoughts on watching this is "hey, that's a nice looking rocket, I wonder if anyone is doing scale models of it", I'm kind of surprised how little showed up on a quick web search. Anyone thinking about building one?
First thing I thought when I saw it was "Hey, that looks like an Ariane V".
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Going to scratch one with the fall away boosters from Apogee. Way down on the build queue.

Agressor Aerospace has some nice foreign ballistic missile and space vehicle builders kits.
Aggressor Aerospace – Boyce Aerospace Hobbies, LLC
 
Based on measurements from Wikipedia, it looks like it's possible to do a kinda close 1:150 scale version with a BT55 main body, BT50 boosters. Use the Apogee VFNC 24 Oblique for the booster noses, and maybe an eRockets DRZ-BNC-55FH for the main nose.
It even has fins, so there's some possibility it could be made stable without too much messing around.
 
The Apogee oblique nose cones fit their drop away booster kit.
Will have to do some modifications to use the drop away feature. The nose cone is made of a soft plastic.
Five engine cluster? 1x24mm + 4X18mm?
 
Been watching the booster orbit decay. Seems to be getting close to reentry now.

https://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=48275
Been watching this for a day or so. It has dropped 2km of apogee in the last orbit. Perigee is only dropping about 100m per orbit currently. Semi-major axis has come in around 6km over the past day, and orbital period has reduced by about 42 seconds in that time I think. Decay is accelerating.
 
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