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Daddy....I came out to visit Colorado last year to attend my niece's wedding (in Estes Park) and visit my brother who has lived out there for 25 years or so....the first impression coming from NJ to Colorado is the amount of OPEN land you have....I was stunned by it....just open land. Here in NJ....we just do't have that...heck we don't have anything like that at all..I was looking at 14,000 ft mountains and was thinking that mountain is half the size of the state of NJ. The only thing we have in abundance here..is taxes...lots of property taxes...:eyeroll:

NARAM is in Pueblo this year so it is a great excuse to pack up the jalopy with Zooch kits in their transport boxes and GO WEST YOUNG MAN. See some kin and take in the sights. Show these cowboys how all the Zoochers fly. When I brought up my 1B at NSL the feller said “Boy, that sure is a purdy little rocket ya got there, what motor ya flyin’ it on today?” C6-3 is the minimum.

Heck, the taxes are low and the North East part of the State wants to secede. There is some good rocket rocket country up thata way. Why a feller could move from Ant to Prairie Dog scale real easy like on his very own Section of land.
 
Daddy...that would be a heck a lot of fun that is for sure! I have actually always wanted to drive across the country..see the sights...would be a lot of fun!


NARAM is in Pueblo this year so it is a great excuse to pack up the jalopy with Zooch kits in their transport boxes and GO WEST YOUNG MAN. See some kin and take in the sights. Show these cowboys how all the Zoochers fly. When I brought up my 1B at NSL the feller said “Boy, that sure is a purdy little rocket ya got there, what motor ya flyin’ it on today?” C6-3 is the minimum.

Heck, the taxes are low and the North East part of the State wants to secede. There is some good rocket rocket country up thata way. Why a feller could move from Ant to Prairie Dog scale real easy like on his very own Section of land.
 
Daddy...that would be a heck a lot of fun that is for sure! I have actually always wanted to drive across the country..see the sights...would be a lot of fun!

Just think of all the great aviation museums between NJ and Pueblo, and once in Pueblo there is nothing stopping a side trip to the New Mexico and Arizona museums. The Royal Gorge is just a big ditch, Pikes Peak is a big rock, the Air Force Academy is kinda cool. But the most awesomeness is launchin' all those model rockets on over 7,000 acres of wide open Prairie.
 
Daddy...that would be a heck a lot of fun that is for sure! I have actually always wanted to drive across the country..see the sights...would be a lot of fun!

If you DO go cross-country, ABSOLUTELY be sure you go to the Kansas Cosmosphere in Hutchinson, Kansas... it's one of the BEST space museums I've ever been to. They do a lot of restoration work as well (Gus Grissom's "Liberty Bell 7" was restored there after its retrieval from the ocean floor a few years ago, and IIRC the F-1 remains from Apollo 11 brought up by Jeff Bezos are being restored there, as well as lots of other stuff-- they have a "viewing gallery" where you can look into the workshop at stuff being restored-- they had some V-2 remains salvaged from off White Sands Missile Range being restored there the last time I was there... Plus they have a Titan II out front, an SR-71 you walk under as you enter (and can walk around and view from the top via the balcony walkways around the building perimeter inside) and lots of Russian stuff as well... including a Lunokhod and Svetlana Saviskaya's Orlan space suit, among other stuff...

If you're in the southwest, I recommend the National Atomic Museum in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and the White Sands National Monument and White Sands Missile Range museum and rocket park at the entrance to WSMR on the western side of the Tularosa basin. If you're farther west (and I want to go there myself some day) there's the boneyard bus tour at Davis-Monthan AFB, and the Titan Missile Museum nearby close to Pima AFB, where you can go into a Titan missile launch complex and silo, complete with missile. (Where they filmed Star Trek First Contact). Of course there's "big holes" like the Grand Canyon and Royal Gorge which Daddyisabar might poo-poo, but they're well worth the effort to see-- absolutely stunning! A drive up Pikes Peak is worth the trip alone, despite it being "just a big rock" according to some.

If you're travelling cross-country, I suggest taking the 'northern route' home through the Midwest, up through Nebraska and Iowa and Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. If you're interested in big machinery and factories and stuff, or farming at all, there's the Caterpillar Lexion Combine Plant in Grand Isle, Nebraska... there's also the SAC museum at Offut AFB near Omaha, which I want to get to some day. The Kinze planter and grain cart factory just off I-80 near Pella is very neat, and the National Farm Toy Museum in Dyersville is pretty cool... as well as tours of the Ertl and Spec-Cast factories there. In the Quad-Cities area of Moline, Illinois near the Iowa border, there's the John Deere combine plant, and the John Deere Pavilion downtown-- nice museums, eats, and the combine plant tour is amazing if you like big machinery and seeing how they make stuff from bare, raw steel and then ship it all over the world. Lots of beautiful farm country in between all this stuff. In Indiana, there's the Academy of Model Aviation national headquarters museum and flying field near Muncie, which has hosted some national rocketry events such as the National Sport Launch a few years ago, and they have a nice model airplane museum there. Of course it's only a couple hours drive to Dayton, Ohio and the National Museum of the US Air Force, which is free... plan on spending AT LEAST a full day there... AMAZING place-- get there early and get in line for the tickets to the Presidential Air Force One hangar and the X-planes hangar-- INCREDIBLE stuff in there, but it's inside the protected area, and thus you MUST get a free ticket with the proper ID to board the bus at a pre-scheduled time for the hour or so they take you inside the fence and then turn you loose inside the hangar. I spent a whole day basically just snapping pics as fast as I could going from one plane to the next to the next and spent VERY little time reading the informational displays, and BARELY got it all in-- got the X-planes hangar but only a cursory view of the AF1 hangar next door. Don't forget the outdoor displays as well... some amazing planes out there, as well as a mobile ICBM transporter and a Minuteman missile rail car. Dayton of course also has museums about the Wright Brothers as well.

Get you some Amish cheese and stop in Hershey on your way back to NJ through Pennsylvania, too... hard to beat a good home-style Amish meal and some Amish cheese and of course Hershey has that interesting chocolate factory...

Later! OL JR :)
 
Ahhh, the wonders of nature, the clean air, the birdies happily chirping in the woods. OK, enough of that, let’s go see some slave built V2s and crawl into an old abandoned missile silo. Ohhh- looky there - The Garden of the Gods - Hey guys, the Apogee Components showroom is about 10 minutes away and you know what they have there when it comes to Saturn 1b models!
 
Ahhh, the wonders of nature, the clean air, the birdies happily chirping in the woods. OK, enough of that, let’s go see some slave built V2s and crawl into an old abandoned missile silo. Ohhh- looky there - The Garden of the Gods - Hey guys, the Apogee Components showroom is about 10 minutes away and you know what they have there when it comes to Saturn 1b models!

:eyeroll::facepalm:

Yeah, forgot Apogee... very friendly folks... lots of neat stuff... got the nickel tour, pretty cool...

While you're at it, you forgot to mention the Cumbres and Toltec railroad, Telluride, Dinosaur National Monument, and all that... just north of Denver there's Warren AFB, and their Minuteman missiles standing out front.

Few years back we went out west after leaving Indiana for the summer, via Iowa and South Dakota... Went to the Minuteman Missile museum there just south of Wall, SD, (which is an interesting place in itself) and also to the Badlands National Monument (another very cool place) and then made it on over to Mount Rushmore and the Crazy Horse Monument (another carved mountain, only about five times the size of Rushmore and not a total tourist trap like Rushmore has been turned into, plus it appeals to my Native American ancestry (1/4 Cherokee and Onyataka (Oneida). Then we drove up through eastern Wyoming and saw the Devil's Tower (where they filmed "Close Encounter of the Third Kind") and Little Bighorn (talk about beautiful and perfect rocket country!) and then up through Montana to Glacier National Park, drove the Highway of the Sun and came down western Montana to Yellowstone NP, drove down the east side of that (takes all day) and then drove into Cody to spend the night, drove back to Yellowstone the next day and drove down the west side of the park (went to Old Faithful and hiked through some of the hot pool fields and stuff) and saw the falls, then drove down past the Grand Tetons to Riverton for the night, then spent a day or two visiting with an old friend who lived in Casper at the time, then down to Cheyenne, saw the missiles, and on to Denver, across to Rocky Mountain National Park, hiked there some, and then down to Colorado Springs for the night. Toured Apogee the next morning, drove up to the top of Pike's Peak (impress the kids-- drink a bottle of water on the top of Pike's Peak, then throw the empty bottle that's been tighly capped on the dash-- it'll be half flat from the air pressure change when you get to the bottom!) and then drove down to Penrose past Estes (no tours, no office access anymore) and spent the night in Estes Park. Drove out to Royal Gorge the next day and took a mini-train tour, then the cablecar ride across the Gorge, hiked back across the bridge, then rode the inclined railway to the bottom of the Gorge. Drove down to northern New Mexico to spend the night near Capulin Mountain volcano in northern New Mexico, and then reentered Texas at Dalhart (which is closer to Canada than to Brownsville, TX) and then via Lubbock to Snyder, Abilene, Comanche, Waco, Gatesville, and on south back home... hard day's drive that one, since it's about 800 miles or thereabouts...

Need to do that again... Keira's older now and can appreciate it more...

Later! OL JR :
 
Purple Mountains Majesty, yeah that is nice. I want to see the 20' purple flame out the backside of the big EX motor rated near back end of the alphabet. Seven Falls, OK, but at the Apogee warehouse there is the Wall of Zooch, all the kits stacked up three deep! The escape towers, the nozzles, the wraps; DANGER, DANGER, DANGER for anyone who likes to dress up scale model rockets. Play it right and you might get close to a whole day uninterrupted by the wife and kids, being able to solely focus on rockets. Who needs the Mesa Verde Cliff dwellings when you can drive the by old Estes buildings in Penrose? Who needs the Durango-Silverton narrow gauge railroad when you can hang out on a big dusty range and BS all day about model rockets.

They don't do it for NARAM but SCORE has organized tours of the restricted Pueblo Army Depot and the old rocket garden where the kids used to play on the Pershing 1A, Nike Ajax, V1, Honest John and others. Hermann Goring's stuff is (was?) also stored there and is strictly verboten since the attempt to steal the sword. Can't see any of the Wet Eye's or Mustard Gas shells either, but at least you can sleep soundly knowing all that Cold War gas is still there.

OK, back to the 1B build.
 
Daddy....it would be a great trip out there that is for sure...speaking of the ol Nike Ajax...that was one of my favorite Estes kits back in the day..would love to build one of those again! Always thought that was a cool rocket. Visiting Apogee would be a blast too!! But I don't think I could leave without buying their 1b...even though I don't have the certifications to fly it...
 
Luke...that was an amazing road trip you took from Indiana...and I would love to see those sights! I have been to the Airforce Museum in Dayton....I think I was last there about 10 years ago when I took my son out there...nothing like seeing a B-52D and a B-36 sitting indoors! My dad was in the Airforce during the Korean war....back in 49 he was at some base when the "Aluminum Overcast" flew over....little guy from the coal country of Pennsylvania had never seen anything so big fly...he stood there transfixed..not realizing that he had missed roll call and was going to pay for it with a week of kitchen duty pealing potatoes. Hershey Pa is sweet (pun intended)..my daughter is actually a nursing student in her final year at the medical center out there so when we go out to visit (about 2 hour drive from Trenton ) we stop in. I am diabetic so I may pick up a small bag of sugar free stuff..but my wife is a chocohaulic....good lord she can put it away and never gain a pound.

Daddy...B-36 would look nice next to that B-58 you are studying..but I think there is a whole heck of a lot of hopesim that would have to go into that one!
 
I am about 80% done building my LES tower up here..I will post pictures this afternoon...if I can get her painted today I will be happy!
 
I have been looking at this LES for a little while now...and there seem to be some extra details that we can add to this...this schematic is helpful I think:
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you will note there is a systems tunnel that runs down the exterior of the rocket tube...there are actually two of these tunnels..after paint we will add these details.

as described earlier in this build, I uses 0.020 plastic rod to build the LES tower supports....its a matter of taking your time and trimming the rods so that they can fit on the inside of the tower legs...I glue these on with white glue. I also found a rod and tube assortment and the tubing in here is useful to build the LES rocket nozzles
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here is a picture with the 0..20 rods applied...almost done in this picture...we still have to add the bottom legs
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the tubing is easy to use...just cut a small piece at an angle and you are good to go!
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and here is my tower ready for paint: I like the nozzles!
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this is going to be painted shortly...once it is completely dry, I will want to try to add those systems tunnels.
 
Luke...that was an amazing road trip you took from Indiana...and I would love to see those sights! I have been to the Airforce Museum in Dayton....I think I was last there about 10 years ago when I took my son out there...nothing like seeing a B-52D and a B-36 sitting indoors! My dad was in the Airforce during the Korean war....back in 49 he was at some base when the "Aluminum Overcast" flew over....little guy from the coal country of Pennsylvania had never seen anything so big fly...he stood there transfixed..not realizing that he had missed roll call and was going to pay for it with a week of kitchen duty pealing potatoes. Hershey Pa is sweet (pun intended)..my daughter is actually a nursing student in her final year at the medical center out there so when we go out to visit (about 2 hour drive from Trenton ) we stop in. I am diabetic so I may pick up a small bag of sugar free stuff..but my wife is a chocohaulic....good lord she can put it away and never gain a pound.

Daddy...B-36 would look nice next to that B-58 you are studying..but I think there is a whole heck of a lot of hopesim that would have to go into that one!

The B-36 is nice and long with a bulbous front end - maybe can hide 2 canted 18mm. Nice mid wing for 4 to 6 D12's in the pushers. Could a guy who can detail a Zooch 1B have the skill and patience to do one? I think so. Hopesim looks like an up-turn is coming.
 
OK...got some more work done on the LES tower....attached the systems tunnels to the LES...used 1/64 tape for these...kinda hard to see them...also painted the Q ball (tip of the tower)
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also put the decals on the S-IVb stage....this is always one of my favorite steps because that means we are getting close to wrapping the build and I just think the red decals look awesome on that stage! Dr. Zooch provides both decals and stickers for this step...he has had some problems with his decal manufacturer. I had no issues at all with these decals...they went on with no difficulties. I also put the cable tunnels on the S-IVb stage...I will paint these to match with the roll bands
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LES tower is on!
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gosh I dunno Daddy...a B-36 would be way beyond my abilities...sure was a beast though!

The B-36 is nice and long with a bulbous front end - maybe can hide 2 canted 18mm. Nice mid wing for 4 to 6 D12's in the pushers. Could a guy who can detail a Zooch 1B have the skill and patience to do one? I think so. Hopesim looks like an up-turn is coming.
 
OK...got some more work done on the LES tower....attached the systems tunnels to the LES...used 1/64 tape for these...kinda hard to see them...also painted the Q ball (tip of the tower)
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also put the decals on the S-IVb stage....this is always one of my favorite steps because that means we are getting close to wrapping the build and I just think the red decals look awesome on that stage! Dr. Zooch provides both decals and stickers for this step...he has had some problems with his decal manufacturer. I had no issues at all with these decals...they went on with no difficulties. I also put the cable tunnels on the S-IVb stage...I will paint these to match with the roll bands
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LES tower is on!
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WOW! That looks GREAT!!! You, sir, are a steely-eyed missile man!

What did you use for the SLA panel divider lines??

Later! OL JR :)
 
thanks Luke! I use Line-O-tape 1/64 black pinstripe tape to make those panels. good couple coats of clear on this afterwards and they are not going to come up.


WOW! That looks GREAT!!! You, sir, are a steely-eyed missile man!

What did you use for the SLA panel divider lines??

Later! OL JR :)
 
thanks Owen! I had a late night at the office so not much is going to get done tonight...but I am getting close on this one to wrapping it up. I have some ullage motors to make and some decals I want to make for her and then hang the chute and clear coat it etc. I appreciate the kind words!

That tower looks really good!
 
OK...sorry for my delay up here...its been a long week! I really haven't had much time to work on the 1b, but I got a little done last night. First, the first stage APU units were trimmed from the balsa stock and sanded to shape. These were then painted steel

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next, the first stage antenna panels were added. I sued the ones provided with the Zooch kit. These are glued to each of the fuel tanks to the left of the lettering

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now....because I simply have too much time on my hands, I think I may want to try to make the blade antennae that were mounted to each of these panels. I am using some Evergreen .043 x .066 plastic strips. These are the same strips that were used for the cable tunnels on the first stage fuel tanks. However, if glued on their sides I think they are pretty close to accurate for the little antennae that were mounted. I am going to paint these yellow as soon as I can heat up my garage! Lets paint these things and then see how they turn out. If they don't seem to look right, then I won't mount them.

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thanks Owen! I like how they turned out...easy to do and I think is a neat little detail to the first stage!
I bought the Dr. Zooch Apollo 5 SA-204....this will look nice to the SA-203 I bought a few weeks ago....these Dr. Dr. Zooch Saturn 1bs are addictive!

Wow that is cool!
 
Looking really good... check your PM box... I experimented with something I'd like to share here if you don't mind...

Later! OL JR :)
 
Ok, here goes...

Ever since you made those thruster quads from styrene rod, (which looks amazing BTW) I kept thinking "there's gotta be an easier way to do that"... So, after mulling it over in my head awhile, I thought "why not cast them out of plastic"-- that way all you have to make is the mold. So, I figured to give it a try.

Since I had some spare time this afternoon, I decided to give it a whirl. My first thought a couple weeks ago was to make a metal "stamp" for the parts by cutting the pattern into the end of a steel rod (like a bolt head or something) using a Dremel tool and grinding wheel attachment. Didn't take much figuring to see that would take forever and probably not work that great. Plus, my Harbor Freight diamond dust Dremel bit set doubtlessly would never stand up to it. Balsa is WAY too soft, so I started by trying to carve the pattern into basswood, but it's too soft too. I need a hardwood. After searching around for a block of hardwood scrap and not finding any, and not wanting to go over to the farm shop to try to scare some up, I came across a spring clothespin with an especially hard wood halves. SO, I chucked up a diamond dust needle bit in my Dremel wannabe and started carving.
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Took me a couple tries, but I ground out a little hole about 1x2 mm, about a millimeter deep, and then made little connected triangles on all four sides of it about maybe 3/4 of a millimeter wide.
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This creates the "mold" used to make the part. For the part material itself, I used an old plastic static modeler's trick-- heated old plastic kit "parts tree" sprue over a flame until its extremely soft, and then press it into the mold.
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I pressed it down firmly and let it cool a couple seconds, and then pressed it down a bit more with my fingers (watch it-- it's HOT!) Let it cool about 30 seconds, and then give the remaining sprue a sharp TUG to "pop" it out of the mold. The first pull was too shallow, so I deepened the pattern of the mold and enlarged it slightly. Flip it over and you'll see the embossed plastic "quad" in the solidified button of styrene.
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More to come! OL JR :)
 
I then carefully cut the quad off the face of the thickened "button" of plastic, using a sharp hobby knife.
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Then I trim it down flush to the end of the nozzles of the quad to square it up,
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and then trim out the corners to make the nozzles individual.
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Then, using a hobby file or a piece of 220 grit sandpaper folded in half along it's length, I finish up the individual nozzles by sanding down between them to make a clean corner, and to slightly taper the nozzles toward the quad centerbody.
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Given the smallness of these things (they'd easily fit in the "O" in your keyboard with room to spare) it doesn't take long-- just a few swipes with the sandpaper or hobby file. The center of the thruster quad body is a bit rounded on top, so a swipe or two of the file or sandpaper or gently shaving the top of the rounded part off with the hobby knife rapidly makes it flat, as it should be.

Here's the finished parts test-fitted on a Dr. Zooch CSM from my Saturn I-F model that is awaiting completion... in about 30 minutes I made four quads for it and finished them... so I don't know if it saves a HUGE amount of time over the styrene rod glued up ones, but these are all one solid piece of plastic, and pretty much lay flush to the surface... less likely to have bits broken off I would think. Now I can crank out as many as I want using the same mold though.
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I thought it was worth a shot anyway... works pretty well if you don't want to glue the things up, but there is more "finishing" work trimming them out and sanding them a bit to true them up and stuff...

Later! OL JR :)
 
Luke,
they look awesome! that is why you are doing beta builds! thank you for posting that here. My first thought was I am sorry to have brought you into the world of making RCS quads for a Zooch kit..LOL...they are small aren't they? :eyepop: I thought I had lost my mind for a bit...but once you set yourself to it, they really aren't that bad and I really like the look of the RCS quads on there. I would think yours are going to be more durable than mine since they are one piece of plastic.
Thanks for posting that technique here! :handshake: All we need now is to see that beautiful Saturn V of yours all decked out with RCS quads and stuff! That is going to be a masterpiece when you complete her!
 
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