Not happening. That’s just emotion and hyperbole. There is absolutely no evidence that Israel is doing anything other than eliminating terrorist and terrorist supporters (with admittedly some casualties of war…but that is on Hamas if you think about it.) The word-games by the media (and UN for that matter) is profit driven. That is all.
So the ICJ is engaged in hyperbole?
You can be pro-Palestinian without being pro-Hamas. You can think that it's bad to shoot unarmed civilians following posted "safe evacuation routes" without being pro-Hamas. You can think it's bad to shell aid convoys /waiting at an IDF inspection checkpoint/ and not be pro-Hamas. Heck, you can even think it's bad to shoot unarmed women inside Catholic convent walls and not be pro-Hamas.
A simple thumb up reaction to this is nowhere near enough. I don't think anyone here is pro-Hamas. To be pro human rights and to call out Israel for it's violations is not being pro-Hamas. To be concerned about Palestinian civilians is not pro-Hamas, and is required in the name of decency.
Let's not confuse taking a position against Israeli aggression as being pro-Hamas. Completely different things. And believing that Hamas is only in Palestine and you can eradicate them is a nonsense. Hamas is an idea. Eliminate it and Hamat will appear, then Hamau, Hamav, Hamaw, Hamax.
You kinda step off the moral high ground once you start committing war crimes.
I guess we were genocidal to Japan, back in the day....
For starters, there's a difference between war crimes and genocide. Moving on to the point at hand, the previous war crimes conventions only outlawed bombarding undefended cities. The war crimes convention currently applicable in Israel was ratified in 1949 and added significant protections for civilians.
The fire bombings of Tokyo and Dresden would be war crimes by today's standards, and were immoral then. Our hands are not clean. As for the nukes, we did issue warnings, and did not block civilian evacuation or bomb evacuation routes while people were on them.
I don't know what the official definitions have to say about internationality (if anything) or what they might say about the internationality of the Palestinian Territories. I would say that morally it is not important.
2004 if you want a date.
That is a topic that I've argued over in another forum. The war crimes conventions just say "You can't do these things." Certainly if you meant to do it, it's a war crime. If a civilian caught a stray bullet when soldiers were shooting at each other, it's not a war crime. It's kinda gray in cases of negligence, when you should have known that you were shooting at a protected target. That said, war crimes basically only get prosecuted if the perpetrator fails to punish the people involved and/or pay restitution to the victims. For example, we did both when we accidentally* bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade during the Kosovo conflict. I don't remember the circumstances around the Iranian airliner, though.
Yes. If you are referring to the case brought by South Africa, then yes. I think it was based on faulty data provided by UNRWA (and their members of Hamas). The case was not a so-called "genocide" case.
You are correct. You don't have to be "pro-Hamas" to be Anti-Israeli either.
The things I’m against are rampant killings of civilians, wanton destruction of civilian infrastructure beyond the needs of war, land theft with impunity, extrajudicial killings, [edit] widespread mistreatment of prisoners, [/edit] and discrimination based on religion. If those are core values of the State of Israel, then I guess you’ve got me.
I'm not anti-Israel. I'm pro-Israel in that I'm in favor of a Jewish homeland as a part of an international community, and one that respects the rights of all of its citizens, non-citizen residents, and its neighbors. And no, that does not mean it shouldn't defend itself against threats both external and internal. But it does mean doing so in a manner that complies with international law and basic morality.
Wow...typical small minded when you jump straight to "you're a racist!" So let me break it down for you...not every observation has to do with race. It's just an observation and in the context that there are Arabs in Israel just like there are blacks in Alabama. A lot/some/many of those of those Arabs observed in Israel work in the service industry as do many/some/a lot of blacks in Alabama work in the service industry. That fact that you, by your arrogance and hyperbole, confine them "only" to the service industry is telling. Check yourself.
Wow. You really jumped right over the meaning of his post to take offense.
Well, considering the "out of left-field" context, not hard to do however I wouldn't necessarily call in "offense"...more of pointing out hypocrisy. Besides don't generally take meaningless banter on a hobby board personally. You know that...
