Ez2cDave
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James, congratulations on your "enlightenment" - LOL !This is just a hunch, guys, but hear me out: I'm beginning to suspect that Fitch does not like EVs.
Dave F.
James, congratulations on your "enlightenment" - LOL !This is just a hunch, guys, but hear me out: I'm beginning to suspect that Fitch does not like EVs.
Self portrait??
And in other news, the sky is blue, water is wet and the wind blows.
I'm getting really tired of the "It doesnt work on the edge cases so dont bother" EVs have their place. At this point in time large loads going long distances dont work real well for EVs. Get over it
Highway flat ground no wind 60mph 18Just out of curiosity, what is your truck’s “normal” gas mileage?
Agreed.This supposed damning study is nothing revelatory to anyone with a modicum of sense.
Light speed is too slow, you've got to go ludicrous speed!Range goes to zero miles if you can get the EV to the speed of light.
So, what is YOUR source of information ?Agreed.
Thinking critically is hard for way more folks than we would like to believe, many folks just want to be told what to think, and turn to clicks online to find out what they should think INSTEAD of taking responsibility for making their own decisions. So called studies like this, that are 'nothing revelatory to anyone with a modicum of sense' are simply there to provide a result to those who WILL NOT think for themselves, and want to CLICK to get their thought process without assuming any responsibility for the outcome.
Besides.....surveys and studies make money flow, and give data points.......and that all drives clicks, because people want to be TOLD what to think when they click........and clicks make the money flow!
And it's ALL about money.
ALL studies that disagree with one's "personal beliefs" are "damning studies", aren't they ?This supposed damning study is nothing revelatory to anyone with a modicum of sense.
Something, something, pot, kettle, black.ALL studies that disagree with one's "personal beliefs" are "damning studies", aren't they ?
To avoid that, one tends to read things that "tell them what they want to hear" and dismiss everything else, as "senseless".
This is not a "personal belief", it's a real-world easily-reproduceable fact: Towing a trailer increases your power consumption. Are you saying that it does NOT? If so, fine... let's see your evidence.ALL studies that disagree with one's "personal beliefs" are "damning studies", aren't they ?
To avoid that, one tends to read things that "tell them what they want to hear" and dismiss everything else, as "senseless".
Plus, the hassles of having to un-hitch your trailer, every 100 miles, or so, in order to be able to use the pull-through charging facilities.Here's a real-world test... yes, towing with an EV will kill your range. Again, nothing new here... or unexpected.
Listen closely . . . Yes, ICE vehicles lose range, when towing loads, as do EV's . . .This is not a "personal belief", it's a real-world easily-reproduceable fact: Towing a trailer increases your power consumption. Are you saying that it does NOT? If so, fine... let's see your evidence.
So you dont use an EV for cross country travel with a trailer. So what???How many people do that anyway? I did in the late 90's early 2000's and honestly a gas powered pickup wouldnt work that well either so I got a diesel powered one. Worked fine. I dont do that anymore so an EV would work for the vast majority of my travel. Get over it.Listen closely . . . Yes, ICE vehicle lose range, when towing loads, as do EV's . . .
For the sake of argument, let's says that the range of the ICE and EV are identical . . . HOWEVER, the inescapable FACT, is the added "time penalty", incured by having to fully recharge the EV, every 100 miles !
You cannot offset the "time factor".
Thank you for attempting to speak for me . . .So you dont use an EV for cross country travel with a trailer. So what???How many people do that anyway? I did in the late 90's early 2000's and honestly a gas powered pickup wouldnt work that well either so I got a diesel powered one. Worked fine. I dont do that anymore so an EV would work for the vast majority of my travel. Get over it.
Yes, it's so much simpler to just "tune out" the things you may not agree with, rather than keeping an open mind, while considering the very good possibility that you may not be omniscient.Never mind. Just easier to use the ignore button. Beginning to understand why many of you use it with wild abandon.
Wow, back at'cha...Yes, it's so much simpler to just "tune out" the things you may not agree with, rather than keeping an open mind, while considering the very good possibility that you may not be omniscient.
Yes, it's so much simpler to just "tune out" the things you may not agree with, rather than keeping an open mind, while considering the very good possibility that you may not be omniscient.
I post the "receipts" ( URL's ) for the things I say. The others cite no references to support their positions.Wow, back at'cha...
It wasn't directed at you, personally, sorry for the confusion.Moron. I'm on your side, mostly, on this particular issue in the first post.....but I guess your nature is just to urinate on everyone's head and try to convince them that it's raining.
I have never dismissed a supporter of EV's as being "senseless" . . . Rather, I have presented my position, accompanied by the information used to formulate my statements. In return, the only responses, in opposition, are dismissive or downright insulting. My response has been to challenge them to provide the data sources that they used to formulste their positions . . . The response has either been "crickets", or furthernegative comments, without any substance to back them. Cite your sources !Something, something, pot, kettle, black.
Eventually, there may not be a choice betwen ICE's and EV's . . . Granted, a "ways down the road", but still coming !So you dont use an EV for cross country travel with a trailer. So what???How many people do that anyway? I did in the late 90's early 2000's and honestly a gas powered pickup wouldnt work that well either so I got a diesel powered one. Worked fine. I dont do that anymore so an EV would work for the vast majority of my travel. Get over it.
Do you get out of the house much? Asking for a group of people with piss on their collective heads...I have never dismissed a supporter of EV's as being "senseless" . . . Rather, I have presented my position, accompanied by the information used to formulate my statements. In return, the only responses, in opposition, are dismissive or downright insulting. My response has been to challenge them to provide the data sources that they used to formulste their positions . . . The response has either been "crickets", or furthernegative comments, without any substance to back them. Cite your sources !
Eventually, there may not be a choice betwen ICE's and EV's . . . Granted, a "ways down the road", but still coming !
Data sources . . .
https://www.autonomy.com/blog/electric-vehicle-mandates-and-federal-and-state-incentives
https://www.npr.org/2023/03/30/1166921698/eu-zero-emission-cars
EXCERPT :
U.S. efforts to phase out gas-powered cars include future bans in several states
President Biden has said he supports the proliferation of electric vehicles, and in 2021 he signed an executive order setting a goal that half of all new passenger cars and light trucks sold in the U.S. in 2030 be zero-emission vehicles, including plug-in hybrids.
Several states have announced future bans on gas-powered cars, though.
California, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon and Washington have all said they would prohibit the sale of new gas-powered vehicles beginning in 2035, Money reported.
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Hi, Chuck !This is a fact whether you are driving an EV or a gas engine. Hauling a load reduces MPG or miles per charge,
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