Estes Scale Missiles & Scale Rockets

[rharshberger]

Sounds like Peter Alway needs to get busy expanding his drawings lol.

It would be really cool if Peter had a source for the Nike Zeus-A, but iirc he doesn't or didn't mention one when several of use were looking for info for scale modeling one.

 

[Micromeister]

The reason for using inspiration and not dimensions is that afaik there are no available drawings with good dimensions, same for the Nike-Zeus A, for which only two dimsension are known the booster diameter and the booster fin span.

Don't know why you say such a thing, I have all the dimesions for the Spartan Missile which I'm almost finished the Drawing for a Micro Powered 1:96.2053 Scale model .
Actually the original "Test Vehicle"- Nike-Zeus of which there were only two built, had such oversize booster fins it was butt ugly so not really a scale project most would worry with. However the Spartan Missile is a vary nice looking Rocket. It does take a little digging to find all the info but it's all there several of the Sentinel Project reviews & Project reports. a Fun Fact that should be noted; the entire Sentinel system Spartan,Sprint and Advanced Radar installation was only in full operation for one month.... We traded it away in the Salt-I Treaty.

 

[rharshberger]

Don't know why you say such a thing, I have all the dimesions for the Spartan Missile which I'm almost finished the Drawing for a Micro Powered 1:96.2053 Scale model .
Actually the original "Test Vehicle"- Nike-Zeus of which there were only two built, had such oversize booster fins it was butt ugly so not really a scale project most would worry with. However the Spartan Missile is a vary nice looking Rocket. It does take a little digging to find all the info but it's all there several of the Sentinel Project reviews & Project reports. a Fun Fact that should be noted; the entire Sentinel system Spartan,Sprint and Advanced Radar installation was only in full operation for one month.... We traded it away in the Salt-I Treaty.

Then you sir have something I have been unable to locate if you have dimensions for the Spartan. As for the Nike-Zeus A I may just do a sport scale of it someday, as someone who has a personal attachment to the legacy of the Nike System. My original recruiter was a Nike Herc missleman, my parents current home shares a property line with the Nike Missle Launch Site outside Cheney,WA, and I have helped dismantle one of the 4 Nike sites on the Hanford Nuclear Reservation (two were dismantled years ago, and the radar site is awaiting demolition. Besides if your going to build the Nike missles might as well build all 4 (Ajax, Herc, Zeus A, Zeus B).

 

[GlenP]

... I want to build every scale or semi-scale missile and rocket Estes has ever made...

Quite an undertaking, best luck to you on your quest. This got me thinking, what semi/scale rocket/missile models are in the Estes catalog right now (2015-2016)?

There is a fairly decent offering. This does not really help with your search of the back-catalog, but a useful point of reference:

Skill Level 1
2056 Patriot
2446 Mini Honest John

Skill Level 2
7000 Bull Pup 12D

Skill Level 3
1921 Mercury Redstone
3228 V2
7240 Honest John

Skill Level 4
7227 Little Joe II

Pro Series II
9704 Nike Smoke

not sure if this really fits in with the group, this is more of a fictitious rocket, but has scale-like realism, like a future Atlas or Delta with boosters, maybe a stretch
7236 SLV
Or this fictional missile
2158 AGM-57X Heatseeker

did I miss any? feel free to add a link I may have missed. (these were the ones I could find on the Estes Rockets web site at the time of this post)

Some vendors may still have in stock others that may have recently gone OOP or are no longer on the Estes Rockets web site, for example:
2037 D-Region Tomahawk

 

[rharshberger]

Quite an undertaking, best luck to you on your quest. This got me thinking, what semi/scale rocket/missile models are in the Estes catalog right now (2015-2016)?

There is a fairly decent offering. This does not really help with your search of the back-catalog, but a useful point of reference:

Skill Level 1
2056 Patriot
2446 Mini Honest John

Skill Level 2
7000 Bull Pup 12D

Skill Level 3
1921 Mercury Redstone
3228 V2
7240 Honest John

Skill Level 4
Little Joe II

Pro Series II
9704 Nike Smoke

not sure if this really fits in with the group, this is more of a fictitious rocket, but has scale-like realism, like a future Atlas or Delta with boosters, maybe a stretch
7236 SLV

did I miss any?

Pro Series Patriot and the Ps terrier sandhawk (might be a nike tomahawk) iirc.

 

[Micromeister]

Then you sir have something I have been unable to locate if you have dimensions for the Spartan. As for the Nike-Zeus A I may just do a sport scale of it someday, as someone who has a personal attachment to the legacy of the Nike System. My original recruiter was a Nike Herc missleman, my parents current home shares a property line with the Nike Missle Launch Site outside Cheney,WA, and I have helped dismantle one of the 4 Nike sites on the Hanford Nuclear Reservation (two were dismantled years ago, and the radar site is awaiting demolition. Besides if your going to build the Nike missles might as well build all 4 (Ajax, Herc, Zeus A, Zeus B).

Yes I share your passion for the Nike based Rockets and Missiles. My Family (Father, Mother, Grand-Mother, Great Aunt and myself as an intern) worked at NRL (Naval Research Lab) in DC. Dad was very involved in the Vangard Project. We had steely eyed missile men over at the house constantly. I was hooked on space from an early age. Later found out my Father-in-Law was a Nike-Ajax & Nike Hercules Missle man with the DC National Guard in the 70-90's. Some very KEWL supe-8 desert Nike-Herc Launch films. I Have flying models of most of the Nike based sounding rocket varients as well as a PMC Nike-Herc. As mentioned I'm working on Micro-Maxx powered versions of the Nike-Ajax, Hercules, Spartan and Sprint. Hope to have most of these drawings and prototype models ready for flight tests some time this year.

 

[5x7]

From www.semroc.com The Classics link:

It is kits up to1995. Good Luck!

515 0657 Bomarc (parachute) Estes Industries 1978 1980 Scale Parachute
303 0705 X-15 Estes Industries Lerry Renger 1973 1974 Scale
263 0715 X-15 Starter Set Estes Industries Lerry Renger 1977 1984 Scale Parachute
409 0805 TK-5 Mini-Bomarc Estes Industries 1972 1982 Scale Parachute
273 0862 A.S.P. Estes Industries 1981 1984 Scale Parachute
370 0874 Mini-Scale Combo Pak Estes Industries 1986 1989 Scale Tumble
277 0892 Little Joe II Estes Industries 1991 1992 Scale Parachute
360 0896 Mini-Patriot Estes Industries 1992 1996 Scale Streamer
309 1104 KL-4 Honest John Estes Industries 1972 1973 Scale
527 1217 K-17 Aerobee 300 Estes Industries 1965 1978 Scale Parachute
845 1221 K-21 Gemini Titan Estes Industries 1965 1973 Scale Parachute
31 1222 K-22 V-2 Estes Industries 1965 1977 Scale Parachute
638 1226 K-26 Arcas Estes Industries 1966 1977 Scale Parachute
567 1227 K-27 Honest John Estes Industries 1966 1979 Scale Parachute
623 1228 K-28 Thor Agena-B Estes Industries 1966 1972 Scale Parachute
0 1229 K-29 Saturn 1B Estes Industries Gene Street 1967 1977 Scale Parachute
0 1230 K-30 Little Joe II Estes Industries Bill See 1968 1972 Scale Parachute
585 1236 K-36 Saturn V Estes Industries Bill See 1969 1985 Scale Parachute
505 1239 K-39 Semi-Scale Saturn V Estes Industries Bill Simon 1969 1979 Scale Parachute
775 1241 K-41 Mercury Redstone Estes Industries Gene Street 1969 1981 Scale Parachute
481 1267 K-67 Maxi V-2 Estes Industries Wayne Kellner 1974 1981 Scale Parachute
673 1268 K-68 Maxi Pershing-1A Estes Industries Ed Brown 1974 1983 Scale Parachute
277 1269 K-69 Maxi Honest John Estes Industries Ed Brown 1993 1993 Scale Parachute
324 1269 K-69 Maxi Honest John Estes Industries Ed Brown 1975 1983 Scale Parachute
586 1279 K-79 Nike-Ajax Estes Industries Wayne Kellner 1976 1981 Scale Parachute
366 1284 Space Shuttle Estes Industries Wayne Kellner 1976 1998 Scale Parachute
450 1287 LTV Scout Estes Industries Mike Dorffler 1977 1982 Scale Parachute
384 1293 Black Brant III Estes Industries Mike Dorffler 1978 1982 Scale Parachute
349 1336 Boeing ALCM Estes Industries 1980 1985 Scale Parachute
287 1337 Space Shuttle Orbiter Estes Industries Keith Niskern;Bruce Paton 1980 1981 Scale Glide/Parachute
361 1340 SS-1C Scud-B Estes Industries Keith Niskern;Bruce Paton 1980 1981 Scale Parachute
409 1360 Tartar Estes Industries 1981 1982 Scale Parachute
559 1380 Phoenix Estes Industries 1982 1998 Scale Parachute
394 1385 Space Shuttle Columbia Estes Industries 1982 1989 Scale Parachute
300 1389 Sandpiper Estes Industries 1983 1984 Scale Parachute
429 1916 MX Missile Estes Industries 1984 1985 Scale Parachute
311 1918 Titan II Estes Industries 1984 1986 Scale Parachute
500 1921 Mercury Redstone Estes Industries 1984 1990 Scale Parachute
279 1926 V-2 Estes Industries 1984 1987 Scale Parachute
330 1940 Marte Mk 2 Estes Industries 1985 1986 Scale Parachute
371 1942 SR-71 Blackbird Estes Industries 1985 1995 Scale Parachute
306 1944 D-Region Tomahawk Estes Industries 1985 1986 Scale Parachute
372 1957 Nike Apache Estes Industries 1986 1989 Scale Parachute
340 1958 Black Brant II Estes Industries 1986 1998 Scale Parachute
303 1972 Bullpup 12D Estes Industries 1986 1995 Scale Parachute
360 1976 Jupiter-C Estes Industries 1987 1989 Scale Parachute
390 1978 Gemini Titan Estes Industries 1987 1988 Scale Parachute
251 2001 Saturn V Estes Industries Keith Niskern 1988 1994 Scale Parachute
284 2007 Iris Estes Industries 1989 1993 Scale Parachute
416 2019 Titan IIIE Estes Industries 1989 1993 Scale Parachute
315 2048 Saturn 1B Estes Industries 1991 1993 Scale Parachute
274 2056 Patriot Estes Industries 1991 1993 Scale Parachute
472 2066 Patriot Estes Industries 1992 1995 Scale Parachute
362 2083 Terrier/Sandhawk Estes Industries Michael Poss & Tim Van Milligan 1993 1996 Scale Parachute
367 2085 Jayhawk Estes Industries 1993 1996 Scale Parachute
516 2111 Mercury Atlas Estes Industries 1995 1998 Scale Parachute

 

[rharshberger]

From www.semroc.com The Classics link:

Good Luck!

515 0657 Bomarc (parachute) Estes Industries 1978 1980 Scale Parachute
303 0705 X-15 Estes Industries Lerry Renger 1973 1974 Scale
263 0715 X-15 Starter Set Estes Industries Lerry Renger 1977 1984 Scale Parachute
409 0805 TK-5 Mini-Bomarc Estes Industries 1972 1982 Scale Parachute
273 0862 A.S.P. Estes Industries 1981 1984 Scale Parachute
370 0874 Mini-Scale Combo Pak Estes Industries 1986 1989 Scale Tumble
277 0892 Little Joe II Estes Industries 1991 1992 Scale Parachute
360 0896 Mini-Patriot Estes Industries 1992 1996 Scale Streamer
309 1104 KL-4 Honest John Estes Industries 1972 1973 Scale
527 1217 K-17 Aerobee 300 Estes Industries 1965 1978 Scale Parachute
845 1221 K-21 Gemini Titan Estes Industries 1965 1973 Scale Parachute
31 1222 K-22 V-2 Estes Industries 1965 1977 Scale Parachute
638 1226 K-26 Arcas Estes Industries 1966 1977 Scale Parachute
567 1227 K-27 Honest John Estes Industries 1966 1979 Scale Parachute
623 1228 K-28 Thor Agena-B Estes Industries 1966 1972 Scale Parachute
0 1229 K-29 Saturn 1B Estes Industries Gene Street 1967 1977 Scale Parachute
0 1230 K-30 Little Joe II Estes Industries Bill See 1968 1972 Scale Parachute
585 1236 K-36 Saturn V Estes Industries Bill See 1969 1985 Scale Parachute
505 1239 K-39 Semi-Scale Saturn V Estes Industries Bill Simon 1969 1979 Scale Parachute
775 1241 K-41 Mercury Redstone Estes Industries Gene Street 1969 1981 Scale Parachute
481 1267 K-67 Maxi V-2 Estes Industries Wayne Kellner 1974 1981 Scale Parachute
673 1268 K-68 Maxi Pershing-1A Estes Industries Ed Brown 1974 1983 Scale Parachute
277 1269 K-69 Maxi Honest John Estes Industries Ed Brown 1993 1993 Scale Parachute
324 1269 K-69 Maxi Honest John Estes Industries Ed Brown 1975 1983 Scale Parachute
586 1279 K-79 Nike-Ajax Estes Industries Wayne Kellner 1976 1981 Scale Parachute
366 1284 Space Shuttle Estes Industries Wayne Kellner 1976 1998 Scale Parachute
450 1287 LTV Scout Estes Industries Mike Dorffler 1977 1982 Scale Parachute
384 1293 Black Brant III Estes Industries Mike Dorffler 1978 1982 Scale Parachute
349 1336 Boeing ALCM Estes Industries 1980 1985 Scale Parachute
287 1337 Space Shuttle Orbiter Estes Industries Keith Niskern;Bruce Paton 1980 1981 Scale Glide/Parachute
361 1340 SS-1C Scud-B Estes Industries Keith Niskern;Bruce Paton 1980 1981 Scale Parachute
409 1360 Tartar Estes Industries 1981 1982 Scale Parachute
559 1380 Phoenix Estes Industries 1982 1998 Scale Parachute
394 1385 Space Shuttle Columbia Estes Industries 1982 1989 Scale Parachute
300 1389 Sandpiper Estes Industries 1983 1984 Scale Parachute
429 1916 MX Missile Estes Industries 1984 1985 Scale Parachute
311 1918 Titan II Estes Industries 1984 1986 Scale Parachute
500 1921 Mercury Redstone Estes Industries 1984 1990 Scale Parachute
279 1926 V-2 Estes Industries 1984 1987 Scale Parachute
330 1940 Marte Mk 2 Estes Industries 1985 1986 Scale Parachute
371 1942 SR-71 Blackbird Estes Industries 1985 1995 Scale Parachute
306 1944 D-Region Tomahawk Estes Industries 1985 1986 Scale Parachute
372 1957 Nike Apache Estes Industries 1986 1989 Scale Parachute
340 1958 Black Brant II Estes Industries 1986 1998 Scale Parachute
303 1972 Bullpup 12D Estes Industries 1986 1995 Scale Parachute
360 1976 Jupiter-C Estes Industries 1987 1989 Scale Parachute
390 1978 Gemini Titan Estes Industries 1987 1988 Scale Parachute
251 2001 Saturn V Estes Industries Keith Niskern 1988 1994 Scale Parachute
284 2007 Iris Estes Industries 1989 1993 Scale Parachute
416 2019 Titan IIIE Estes Industries 1989 1993 Scale Parachute
315 2048 Saturn 1B Estes Industries 1991 1993 Scale Parachute
274 2056 Patriot Estes Industries 1991 1993 Scale Parachute
472 2066 Patriot Estes Industries 1992 1995 Scale Parachute
362 2083 Terrier/Sandhawk Estes Industries Michael Poss & Tim Van Milligan 1993 1996 Scale Parachute
367 2085 Jayhawk Estes Industries 1993 1996 Scale Parachute
516 2111 Mercury Atlas Estes Industries 1995 1998 Scale Parachute

Hope you are young, that's quite the list.

 

[TopRamen]

Definitely do this one from the list:

330 1940 Marte Mk 2 Estes Industries 1985 1986 Scale Parachute

 

[5x7]

Semi scale if it floats your boat:

0 NCK-29 Apollo Capsule Estes Industries 1967 1977 Semi-Scale Parachute
410 0819 Little John Estes Industries 1973 1981 Semi-Scale Parachute
286 0889 NASA X-15 Estes Industries 1988 1989 Semi-Scale Parachute
474 1211 K-11 WAC Corporal Estes Industries 1963 1978 Semi-Scale Parachute
470 1251 K-51 Sandhawk Estes Industries Michael Poss & John Simmance 1971 1979 Semi-Scale Parachute
439 1272 K-72 Vostok Estes Industries Bill Simon 1975 1976 Semi-Scale Parachute
286 1901 Sea Dart Estes Industries 1983 1984 Semi-Scale Parachute
287 1919 Honest John Estes Industries 1983 1988 Semi-Scale Parachute
406 1925 Exocet Estes Industries 1984 1985 Semi-Scale Parachute
278 2031 Army Hawk Estes Industries 1990 1992 Semi-Scale Parachute

 

[rharshberger]

1901 SeaDart is one of the ones I would like to build, or to locate a good set of dimensioned drawings with which to do an actual scale model.

 

[5x7]

From https://www.seateddimevarieties.com/BAR/data3.htm

F-22 Air Superiority Fighter
AIM-9 Sidewinder
AIM-120 AMRAAM
SM-3 Seahawk
GBU-24 Paveway III
Python 4 ASRAAM
Saturn V - 30th Anniversary
2166 Maxi Honest John
2167 Mercury Redstone
SpaceShipOne - X Prize
Maxi SpaceShipOne
Mini Honest John
3228 V2 Semi-Scale Model
Nike Smoke - Pro Series II

and..
Current Mercury Redstone
Little Joe II

 

[adrian]

1901 SeaDart is one of the ones I would like to build, or to locate a good set of dimensioned drawings with which to do an actual scale model.

I can't help with dimensioned drawings, but here are my photos of a real one:
www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?51239-Sea-Dart-photos

This specimen shows a similar red and blue colour scheme to the Estes kit. That marks it as an inert training round, meaning if you paint your model like that, it will be accurate as long as you never put a motor in it. :lol:

 

[iqsy59]

I'm thinking they need to revive a lot of the old missile and rocket kits. The Bertha is awesome, the Saturn V is better.

50th anniversary is just around the corner! I am hopeful...

Cheers,
Michael

 

[jadebox]

This might help:

https://www.rocketreviews.com/kit-index-tags-scale.html

-- Roger