RF Approved: Cherokee-G Limited Run Kit

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  1. Aug 11, 2019 #1

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    As a kid I remember getting my first Estes catalog and when I got to page 18, I fell in love with the Cherokee-D. A short time later, I saved up $3.95 and the local hobby shop got the kit in for me. It became my favorite flyer back then. I am happy to say, I still have that very same rocket from 1975 in my fleet today. (Though I am totally embarrassed by building skills from back then.)

    Over the years as my building skills improved, eventually getting into MPR & HPR, I built and flew many clones of that kit.

    Recently I began to wonder what if it was slightly bigger and still able to fly in the smaller fields with either single or dual deployment or now maybe even use a JLCR? Could we do a great kit for 29mm RMS? Could we make it a more durable vehicle as well with TTW aircraft birch? Could we improve on the water set decals? Can we upgrade the shock cords? Simply put, what do I want to receive in a kit designed for today?

    What about the business model? Since many companies in our hobby have gone for various reasons. Could we leverage various high quality manufacturers instead building our own manufacturing facilities to make the kits? What can we do minimize shipping cost while protecting all the parts and decals?

    Hmmm… ideas began to align…

    The Rocketry Forum mods approved of me doing a limited run of custom x2.3 upscale kit of the Cherokee-D for 29mm motors with the 1975 style polypropylene Ogive NC vs the original balsa conical NC design. This will be an exclusive run only available via Rocketry Forum.

    Introducing our Cherokee-G limited run kit.

    Kit features 3.1 inch diameter LOC Body Tubes (laser slotted), laser cut TTW aircraft baltic birch fins 0.125 (3.1mm), 29mm 4 ring Motor Mount with integrated fin locks, aluminum cnc 29mm motor retainer. The internal motor mount tube is 12 inches long for those that want to fly large 29mm reloads. All wood parts are laser cut aircraft Baltic birch.

    Kit includes birch bulkhead & hardware for traditional motor ejection single deployment or for a JLCR. PLUS all the parts to make the coupler into an electronics bay for dual deployment flights.

    Included recovery components are 4 inch x 40 inch streamer, and a 42 inch (1270mm) coated ripstop nylon main chute with spill hole. 9 in. (228.7mm) and a 12 inch (304.7mm) Hexagon Nomex blankets. 3/8 in Nylon Y harness, 3/8 in. tubular shock cords, stainless steel 6/0 swivel and 3/16 in. Quick Links (4). Kit will also include both traditional style .25 inch rod launch lugs (2) & 1010 delrin buttons (2) and screws for HPR rail

    Kit will include a full color and cut decals, printed on clear vinyl sheet for the body tube graphics, and cut vinyl for the fins. This will give us the best results in finish.

    I am building the final prototype now for additional pictures and launches.

    The rocket is designed to fly on large F to I size 29mm motors.

    This will be a full feature kit that also gives you some flexibility on the complexity you want. If you decide to go with motor ejection single deploy, you will be able to use the included E-bay parts to implement a full E-bay in the future.



    — Cherokee-G Specifications —
    Length: 55.75 inches (133.6 cm)
    Weight: 36.2 oz (1026.25 g) or dual deploy configuration is 44.3 oz (1256 g) (without electronics)
    Diameter: 3.1 Inches (79 mm)
    Fin Span: 14.37 in (364.9 mm)
    Fin Count: 3 Laser Cut Aircraft Baltic Birch TTW with fin lock into MMT

    Nose Length to Shoulder 11.5 in. (292.1mm)
    Diameter 3.0 in (76.2mm)
    Overall NC Length 15 in. (381mm)
    Shoulder Length 3.0 in. (76.2mm)
    Custom 4:1 Tangent/Slightly Secant profiled Ogive
    NC Material Heavy Duty Polypropylene blow molded

    Motor Size: 29mm (Optional 38mm MMT & Centering Rings can be also included for $10 additional)
    Recovery System: 40in. / 1016 mm nylon streamer and 42 in. / 1067 mm coated ripstop nylon main chute with spill hole with 9/0 Swivel (swivel rated for 900 lbs/ 408.2 kg)
    15 ft. x .375 in. ( 4572mm x 9.52mm) Nylon Webbing Shock Cords with sewn loop ends (Qty 2 cords)
    3 ft x .375 in. (914 mm x 9.52mm) Y Harness - Nylon Webbing with sewn loop ends
    .1875 in. (4.76mm) Quick Links (Qty 4) rated for 600 lbs./ 272.1 kg
    Launch Lugs: .25 inch / 6.35 mm rod and 1010 delrin buttons for HPR RAIL
    Includes 3 in. (75mm) Electronics Bay for Dual Deploy, or can be used single motor deploy
    High quality color printed and cut vinyl decals
    1 x 6 in hexagon nomex blanket for Drogue Streamer
    2 x 9 in. (228.7 mm) hexagon Nomex blanket for Main Chute
    CNC machined and anodized aluminum 29mm motor retainer

    PLEASE READ:
    This kit does not include electronic, wiring, glues, paint, deployment blast cups or rocket motors.

    Our pricing is $159 USD for USA addresses and $219 USD for rest of the world (ROW) addresses.

    Optional 38mm MMT & Centering Rings is +$10 regardless of location.

    Price includes USPS Priority shipping to your PayPal shipping address.

    We save about $96.00 per kit vs piecing out the kit individually.

    This run will be limited to a total of 30 kits.

    If you are interested in this run, and want to get your name on the run list to reserve a spot, post a message in this thread and pm me your email address, your PayPal address, and please make sure your PayPall address is correct.

    If you want more than one kit, your RF handle name will be on the list more than once.

    Once we reach 20 commitments, I will place the orders with the various respective manufacturers. Then we’ll notify everyone that the run is a go and will send a PayPal invoice to those builders on this list. Status will be changed to reflect invoiced. Payment will be expected within 7 days once the invoice is sent. Once PP amount is received, status will reflect Paid and a date. We’ll log our progress with images, and status of orders here in this thread.


    The goal is to have all the kits shipped by 15th September, assuming we receive enough interest in the run.

    — FAQ —
    Q1: When will the Cherokee-G Kit ship?
    A1: The sooner we hit 20 commitments, we’ll do the final order. We expect kits to ship by September 15th 2019.

    Q2: Can we do this kit in fiberglass?
    A2: This is our first custom run. Maybe on a future kit run model we can do fiberglass, assuming this business model works for those manufacturers as well.

    Q3: When or what is the next kit run going to be?
    A3: We’ve got some ideas in the pipe, but we want to get this run done first and prove the business model.

    Q4: Can we have the plans or RockSim files to do our own kit bash?
    A4: Absolutely! We are going to release the final RockSim files as soon as we begin shipping the kits. It will be posted in the following post, along with the instruction "recommendations" with photos, 38mm fin TTW cutting template.

    Q5: Can we change this to be a 38mm MMT?
    A5: Dave & Chuck convinced me. Instruction PDF will now include a template to cut the fin TTW tab for a 38mm MMT. For $10 additional, we'll include a 38mm MMT and 38mm centering rings. You will still get the 29mm hardware and parts as well.

    Q6: Why do a custom kit run, just make your own one-off upscale?
    A6: Its purely a labor of love of both the original #1247 kit and rocketry community. It also allows me to explore a new business model cost effectively. Plus everyone saves about $96.00 USD

    Q7: I don’t need the electronics bay, can I delete that and save money?
    A7: Sorry, we can not, the key is to do quantity pricing.

    Q8: Can we order 2 or more kits?
    A8: Yes, we'll place your name on the list for the number of kits you would like reserved. However we'll only send you a single PayPal invoice for the number of kits you committed for.

    Q9: Can you ship to a USA shipping aggregator to save on shipping?
    A9: Yes, as long as that aggregator address is your PayPal shipping address at the time of invoicing.

    Q10:How does this compare to the original sized Cherokee-D?
    A10: About like this:

    Q11: What if we don't get 20 builders wanting the Cherokee-G kit?
    A11: No one will be invoiced unless we do... but we did get to 20, so the invoices have been sent.
     
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  2. Aug 11, 2019 #2

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    — Run Participant List : Last Updated on 21-Aug-2019 —

    Rocketry Forum Handle, Date, Location, Status
    1. NabooEngineer, 11-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved - Received
    2. FattBank64, 12-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved + 38mm Additions (+$10) - Shipped
    3. Scott Hala, 12-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved + 38mm Additions (+$10) - Delivered!
    4. cwbullet, 12-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved +38mm Additions (+10) - Shipped
    5. seth_cooper, 12-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved+38mm Additions (+10) - Shipped
    6. dander, 12-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved + 38mm Additions (+$10) - Shipped
    7. Lawndart, 12-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved - Shipped
    8. Bmonagle, 12-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved + 38mm Additions (+$10) - Delivered!
    9. dinoburb, 12-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved + 38mm Additions (+$10) - Shipped
    10. AstroChuck, 12-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved - Shipped
    11. AstroChuck, 12-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved - Shipped
    12. ChicagoDave, 13-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved + 38mm Additions (+$10) - Delivered!
    13. Lynn McCall, 14-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved - Delivered!
    14. OZRoc, 14-Aug-2019, ROW, Reserved + 38mm Additions (+$10) - Delivered!
    15. mrtriton, 15-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved + 38mm Additions (+10) - Delivered!
    16. kai, 15-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved, Shipped
    17. mjhall, 15-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved -Shipped
    18. grog, 15-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved - Delivered!
    19. 8thPaladin, 15-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved + 38mm Additions (+$10) - Shipped
    20. ghostfather, 16-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved + 38mm additions (+$10) - Shipped
    21. Buckaroo, 16-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved - Delivered!
    22. Initiator001, 16-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved + 38mm additions (+$10) - Delivered!
    23. AstroChuck, 17-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved + 38mm additions (+$10) - Shipped
    24. nellie61, 17-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved - Shipped
    25. DK Bills, 17-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved + 38mm additions (+$10) - Delivered!
    26. lawndartman, 18-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved - Shipped
    27. DeltaVee, 22-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved + 38mm additions (+10) - Shipped
    28. B_RadB, 21-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved + 38mm additions (+$10) - Delivered!
    29. David J, 29-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved - Delivered!
    30. Space Ranger, 21-Aug-2019, USA, Reserved + 38mm additions (+10) - Delivered!

    — Waitlist —
    … just in case someone drops out of the run, you can reserve a place in line, no guarantee that you will get one, but at least we can see what the interest is for a future runs. Once all kits are paid for, no more waitlist.

    - Cancelled Reservations -
    EvryThngIsAOk, 20-Aug-2019 - Reservation 27 & PP Invoice Cancelled 31-Aug-2019
    base890, 21-Aug-2019, USA, Reservation 29 & PP Invoice Cancelled 31-Aug-2019

    PayPal Invoices were sent on 16-Aug-2019.
    Parts, boxes and packing supplies have been ordered.

    - Update 20-Aug-2019 -
    Shipping Boxes & packing supplies have been delivered.
    Received notification that parts have been shipped.

    - Update 22-Aug-2019 -
    First large shipment of parts arrived... see last post for pics... Kit'ing has begun

    - Update 26-Aug-2019 -
    Upgraded swivels to #9, to solve a slight fitment with upgraded Quick Links, swivels shipped today.
    Received notification decals are shipping today.

    - Update 27-Aug-2019 -
    There was an issue with the Hexagon Blankets, so now everyone will get a 6" and 2 x 9"
    Tracking the last two parts shipments now.

    - Update 28-Aug-2019 -
    Decals & Cut Vinyl arrived and look great.
    Upgraded Swivels & additional Hexagon blankets arrived.
    Assembly Recommendations Release 1.0.pdf uploaded to share. See below. Laser printing begins.
    Missing a single 38mm MMT, however that will arrive after LDRS.

    - Update 30-Aug-2019 -
    22 Kits shipped out today. See PayPal for USPS Priority Tracking Number.

    - Update 3-Sep-2019
    4 kits shipped today. See PayPal for USPS Priority Tracking Number.
    3 kits on shipping hold until the WX passes in Florida

    - Update 5-Sep-2019 -
    2 kits shipped today. See PayPal for USPS Priority Tracking Number.
    1 kit on shipping hold at builder request

    - Update 10-Sep-2019 -
    Added Cherokee-G to thrustcurve.org database.

    - Update 13-Sep-2019 -
    Kit #1 is finished for Dual Deploy & 29mm
    Electronics PerfectFlight MAWD with 9v, switch, aluminum charge cups, terminals
    Dry Weight 1538g (3lb 6.2oz)

    >> NOTE <<
    CHEROKEE-G Files are currently located here.
    Cherokee-G RockSim9 .RKT files for 29mm & 38mm v008
    Cherokee-G 38mm Fin Trim Template v008.pdf (Print at 100%)
    Cherokee-G Assembly Recommendations Release 1.0.pdf
    Cherokee-G Rivet and Shear Pin Template Wrap v001.pdf
     
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  3. Aug 12, 2019 #3

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    Nosecone detail please. Is it a Haack series?
     
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    Interested.
     
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    I am interested.
     
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    Sorry about that, I will update specs to reflect the following:

    Actual L=11.5in x 3in (292.1mm x 76.2mm) however its tangent reflects a 12in length. So its actually a custom hand blend of a 4:1 ogive tangent with a slight secant ogive profile, originally drawn in the late 90s. The blunter tip removes 0.5 inch (12.7mm) from the design length. So it is not a LD nor a LV - HAACK series nor even a VK.

    Nose Length to shoulder 11.5 in. (292.1mm)
    Diameter 3.0 in (76.2mm)
    Overall NC Length 15 in. (381mm)
    Shoulder Length 3.0 in. (76.2mm)
    Custom 4:1 Tangent/Secant profiled Ogive.
    Material Polypropylene blow molded, heavy duty.
     
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    Add me to the list please
     
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    Reservation for one, please.
     
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    Sign me up for one
     
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    One more time
     
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    Just clarifying, do you want one or two kits? Also see PM...
     
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    Two if I may.
    Still trying to find how to access PMs
     
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    Wonderful, Gotcha down for 2 kits
     
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    Please add me to the list!! I'll figure out PM shortly and send you my info.

    ~dave~
     
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    Chuck,

    Click on the person's name ( in Blue ) above their avatar at the left. Select "Start A Conversation" . . . Presto !

    Also, take note of the "Envelope" icon at the upper right of the screen.

    Dave F.
     
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    Hi,
    I am in for one kit.
     
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    That kit "begs" for a 38mm MMT.

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    It clearly does Dave. That also makes it a HPR kit and I didn't want that for this one. Even looked at doing a a dual motor mount, that causes the price to go above the goal price point. Maybe after the next couple of kit runs, we can do something about that. ;)
     
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    Reserve one for me.
    I want to make sure I follow protocol.
     
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    I would probably upgrades the mount to a 38 when I get the rockets.
     
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    So, how much would throwing in a length of 38mm tube and a couple of centering rings add to the price?

    OR . . . Include the rings and a template to trim the fin tabs . . . People can provide their own 38mm tube, if desired !

    Dave F.
     
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    Both good ideas! A Fin trim template is done, and will be included in the instruction PDF, just now will need to add that to the instruction. Then you can cut down the TTW tab down for a 38mm MMT. If anyone wants a 38mm MMT tube and a set of 38mm centering rings o match the fin trim template, it will be a $10 additional upcharge if anyone is interested. You will still get the 29mm MMT, hardware & CR, plus the 38mm MMT & CRs. The biggest issue is not crossing a line in the shipping. So let me know in your post, and I will add that as an option above.
     
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    You're welcome, as are all of our fellow Rocketeers who will benefit from this upgrade !

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    Please upgrade my reservation to a 38mm MMT and 38mm CR.
     
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    Please uplift my reservation to 38mm MMT & 38mm CR for $10 additional.
     
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    Reserve x 1 + 38mm upgrade please (ROW)
     
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    I would like a 38mm upgrade kit also.
     
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    Interested!! With 38mm motor mount please!
     
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