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Wernher von Everall

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Does anyone know whether 1.5mm carbon fibre sheet is thick enough for fins to survive big I/ low J motors? I really would like to avoid flutter and my rocket subsequently breaking into pieces!

Some details of rocket + launch:
- 2.6" airframe.
- Through the wall fins.
- Aiming for speeds of around Mach 1 - 1.2.
- Root cord 10cm, tip chord ~ 6cm and height around 8cm so not of particularly large surface area.

I am very new to working with this material so any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
Does anyone know whether 1.5mm carbon fibre sheet is thick enough for fins to survive big I/ low J motors? I really would like to avoid flutter and my rocket subsequently breaking into pieces!

Some details of rocket + launch:
- 2.6" airframe.
- Through the wall fins.
- Aiming for speeds of around Mach 1 - 1.2.
- Root cord 10cm, tip chord ~ 6cm and height around 8cm so not of particularly large surface area.

I am very new to working with this material so any help would be greatly appreciated!
are you making up the carbon fiber sheet or buying it as carbon fiber plate?
and your attaching them very straight..is important..
why not go a tad thicker?

Tony
 
are you making up the carbon fiber sheet or buying it as carbon fiber plate?
and your attaching them very straight..is important..
why not go a tad thicker?

Tony
Hi Tony,
I had previously bought some carbon fibre sheet of this thickness intended for a smaller rocket but never used it...
They are being attached straight.
Thanks for you help!
Everall
 
Hi Tony,
I had previously bought some carbon fibre sheet of this thickness intended for a smaller rocket but never used it...
They are being attached straight.
Thanks for you help!
Everall
It will probably be fine.
The flight won't do "it' in..more likely landing weird or being dropped or the cat/dog got to it.
If you were buying new...I'd get a tad thicker.

Tony
 
Using carbon fiber as a core is an abuse of the material. Not that it would break, but it's much heavier than what you need. If you insist on using carbon fiber, then two perpendicular layers of the thinnest pre-cured carbon uni on each side of a light weight core such as foam or balsa, of greater thickness, would be MUCH stiffer and probably lighter too. Of course, in this case, such construction would be overkill. It's pretty easy to sand a foil shape into balsa or foam. If your rocket is going trans or supersonic, my guess is you still need to keep the fins thin. maybe 5 mm at the root, and thinner at the tip. 5 pecent thick foil sections? Maybe something that looks like a symmetrical foil from the NACA 65 series. Someone who is more knowledgeable about compressible flow could chime in here. For a subsonic rocket, you could probably make the root section as much as 10 percent thick without much of a penalty. Making the fins 3 times thicker at the root is going to do wonders for their stiffness, and make them considerably stronger, too. If you are concerned about local dings, you could slot the leading and trailing edges and inlay a strip of your carbon. Or thin plywood. The trailing edges can end cut off square, and if you make them less than knife sharp, that will only hurt a little.

If it was me, I might just sand some airfoil shaped fins up out of balsa, and apply two layers of light glass, one with the weave at 0/90 and the other at +/- 45 degrees. If I could figure out a reliable way to glue it down, maybe use the metal from an aluminum can, which is close to equally stiff in all directions. If you want to get fancy, you can use the following technique, though the airfoil shown is obviously inappropriate:
https://charlesriverrc.org/articles...ithout-templates/markdrela_airfoilshaping.pdf
Professor Drela is kind of a genius. On the other hand, you can get fine results by eyeballing it, casting straight edge shadows on the surface, or drawing straight lines. Even a quick hack job will be better than thin, rectangular cross-section fins. I'll attach a picture of the NACA 65-006. Keep in mind that you can make the trailiing edge a little thicker without a severe drag penalty.
65-006 picture.jpg
 
P.S. If your model ever comes down on power lines, fiberglass, balsa etc. will be MUCH LESS entertaining for spectators than carbon and aluminum. I remember this miniature mushroom cloud....l
 
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