Dude Perfect + HPR

I believe they were using Jolly Logic's in every flight. Or whatever they used in the first video. We just threw in Missile Works RRC2 for simplicity for deployment on motors without motor eject.

And if it helps with promotional, I'll be more than happy to introduce either organization's board members to the group. They approached us about trying to broaden the hobby. So... that invite is wide open!

LOC said:

Our hope was to expose the hobby to a broader, younger audience. The perfect stage? No... An effective stage? I'd say so. It's up to us and our organizations to help educate and teach the next generation from day one!!! We made sure everyone was at a safe distance for the motors flown, safety wall included. And they didn't know what motors we were putting in them either, hence the competition (from their perspective). We worked with the producers to do what we could within the safety code and hoped they had a good time shooting it.
As for catching them, it's clear they weren't even close.

The no chute was not staged. It was a clustered flight and outboards failed to light. They were in charge of the motor ejection. And believe it or not, 7.5" cardboard can fall from 1,000 feet with no chute or damage even. And still handle back to back M flights. But some have forgot. Or, never learned the ways of old!

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I thought I saw more than one motor. Bummer only one lit. I thought this was a pretty cool video. Looked to me like it was done safely, except for trying to catch the rockets on the way down. But yeah, not even close. The video showed the fun of flying rockets. Which is at least half the fun of this hobby. They didn't get all technical and boring with the packing of chutes, loading motors, and doing all the time-suck activities. Just good ole flying.

cerving said:

I knew the cato couldn't be real because it was a genuine explosion... AP motors don't do that, they just spit out fire like a road flare, assuming they even keep burning. The no-chute launch had to have been staged too... no damage to a cardboard/wood rocket after falling from over 1000'? Cmon... they must have had a second rocket that they laid down in its place for the pictures.

It would be nice if this fluff piece generated some HPR interest, but I can just see somebody who watches this coming out to a real launch and being disappointed because we actually have rules and procedures. The most competent new HPR flyers that I have seen are the kids that came out of TARC and get their NAR Jr L1's. They have experience with launch procedures, knowledge of rocketry and flight dynamics, and most importantly have a personal interest beyond "Oh, that looks cool!".

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You haven't see an I59 (I think it was) go critical. The first launch I attended showed me the first CATO I witnessed. The thing went off like a bomb. Rocket was utterly destroyed and we picked up pieces for several minutes. I have a video somewhere.

I enjoyed the video. I have never heard of these guys before...I don't spend the day watching youtube videos. It was entertaining which qas the point. Good job LOC. Did you guys buy the motors for them? I saw a blue and a red for sure. Very nice. Very nice rockets as well. Again, good job LOC.

DavidMcCann said:

Why is it every time we get Rockets on TV, it’s with idiots doing idiot stuff?

Exposure is great, but *sigh*.

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Probably because no-one would watch a video of a bunch of old farts arguing whether or not epoxying the ejection charge in an Estes motor is a proper "modification"...

These kids are having fun. It's contagious.
TRF adults argue about minutia, and freak about about insurance implications of walking too fast near a launch pad.

One of the two behavior patterns attracts others to join into the hobby... you are welcome to guess which one!


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LOC said:

I believe they were using Jolly Logic's in every flight. Or whatever they used in the first video. We just threw in Missile Works RRC2 for simplicity for deployment on motors without motor eject.

And if it helps with promotional, I'll be more than happy to introduce either organization's board members to the group. They approached us about trying to broaden the hobby. So... that invite is wide open!

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Thanks for your work! I thought the video was fun and done well.

Nytrunner said:

I honestly can't tell if you're trying to joke/sarcast at us, or you watched an entirely different video

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Ooops. Wrong video. I just googled it and it found their original one - which is way more tame. The concern here is legit... I’ll just show myself out now....

afadeev said:

Probably because no-one would watch a video of a bunch of old farts arguing whether or not epoxying the ejection charge in an Estes motor is a proper "modification"...

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This was good, well played. Clearly we need to find several someones who are much more attractive to conduct that particular argument when we make the dramatization.

Heck I just want to know the names of the kits/who made them (looks like LOC maybe?) The first one is easy enough but I liked the 2nd and 5th one as well.

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Heck I just want to know the names of the kits/who made them (looks like LOC maybe?) The first one is easy enough but I liked the 2nd and 5th one as well.

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So the 7.5" Phoenix and V2 are easy. The one that blew had a Top Gun top, and the Top Gun got the top from the one that blew. Basically a 7.5" Mystic Buzz (Athena) that will be coming out. The other was a shortened version of the old 3" cyclotron. Which We have a 4" in the works and possibly a 7.5" as well.

I didn't know the cyclotron was so big! That's great

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I didn't know the cyclotron was so big! That's great

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well, a 7.5" version of it... lol

The first rocket...LOC 7.6" Phoenix...any idea what rocket engine was used??? I love the low and slow take-off. This is the type of rocketry I would like to aspire to fly. (fingers crossed)

Geoff

Trying to stay positive. It is entertaining.

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The first rocket...LOC 7.6" Phoenix...any idea what rocket engine was used??? I love the low and slow take-off. This is the type of rocketry I would like to aspire to fly. (fingers crossed)

Geoff

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Be aware, slow takeoff can lead to weather cocking and more pronounced gravity turns. Notice how it tilted quickly after it left the rail

Waaaaaay late to this conversation, but I discovered the DP videos through YouTube's "recommended" videos recently. More than inspiring new rocketeers, I wonder how many folks they may encourage to become BAR's?

I was already a BAR when I saw this (which explains why it showed up as a recommended video), but if I wasn't and I saw this, it may inspire me to dust off the old models in the attic.

Thanks for reminding me! I responded to a few seemingly legitimate question comments on the youtube page. Maybe they'll be interested, maybe not. Who knows?

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The first rocket...LOC 7.6" Phoenix...any idea what rocket engine was used??? I love the low and slow take-off. This is the type of rocketry I would like to aspire to fly. (fingers crossed)

Geoff

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I'm just curious of an educated guess of the rocket engine size. Just for future reference...do you think it was a level 2 size engine??

I run into Dude & his posse at the Maverick Cafe, intersection of Interstate 20 & Texas Hwy 281 in Strawn Texas, they bought a large ranch down the road a bit to do alot of filming at. Kids flock to them and they always stop & take pics with them.

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I'm just curious of an educated guess of the rocket engine size. Just for future reference...do you think it was a level 2 size engine??

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Oop, missed this part.

I'd say they were punchy I's or J's

Punchy I’s or J’s??? Is that a manufacturer?? Sorry I’m just getting into the hobby of HPR.

Geoff

"Punchy" meaning high-thrust, short burn. (then there was the phoenix which burned longer with lower thrust letting it lean over a bit)

The rockets LOC made for DP were large diameter (draggy) cardboard airframes. I'd guess they were around 15-20 lbs, and a high thrust I or midsize J (maybe even a K) would be reasonable for those altitudes

Yes, it was the Phoenix rocket lunch/flight that impressed me.

54mm J and K motors. They were the AMW/Pro-X loads (CTI loads for AMW snap ring hardware). I believe the motor in the Phoenix was the J1720 Scalded Tiger.

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Yes, it was the Phoenix rocket lunch/flight that impressed me.

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Thanks. That was one of my motors. It was a 76mm baby L, using my Wayside White propellant. Long burn, low thrust. They wanted the first one slow so they could get used to filming.

The episode was filmed at my ranch btw.

Pat G

Thanks for the insight!

Guess it goes to show my weight/impulse estimations are a bit off

Pat Gordzelik said:

Thanks. That was one of my motors. It was a 76mm baby L, using my Wayside White propellant. Long burn, low thrust. They wanted the first one slow so they could get used to filming.

The episode was filmed at my ranch btw.

Pat G

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...so you built this rocket motor yourself??? (very impressive). If you would compare your rocket motor to a commercially available motor, which would it be. I would love to use "Open Rocket" and find out the calculations of that rocket flight, such as rail launch speed, apogee...ect .

Geoff

It would be real close to an AT 75mm K560. Like I said, it was a baby L, just barely over a K. Sixteen inches of propellant. It was a last minute deal, so I figured the KN, selected the nozzle, cut the grains (4 of,them 4" long) and away we went. I can't tell you how many motors I have built and flown, but it's well over a 1000.

Here is a full P I built and static fired.


I also built the motors for all the Aurora flights, including the flight for The Discovery Channel.


And just for grins, I was the motor specialist for flying a Mini Cooper...


I'm the guy in the white hat.
Pat G

...whoa, I want to retire to your part of the neighbor. AMAZING!!! Where does one start to building there own motor casings??

Geoff