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i feel silly asking this but have you more scientific guys
heard anything about the radiation getting in our milk?
it seems i heard that there were increased radiation levels
lately but thought i would ask you more scientific guys
what yall have been hearing ?
 
Start here:

Nuclear Energy Institute

Has several links to current news, plus explanations on radiation levels, what they mean, etc. Basically, a good page to cut through the doomsday news reporting and figure what's really going on and how it affects you.

FC
 
Of particular interest concerning milk. https://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpre...8aca5fe3d1d30ebc852578630074eaff!OpenDocument

The sample in question measured 0.8 pCi/L of iodine-131 which is about 2 disintergrations or counts per minute per liter. I'm really surprised that level is above the threshold of detection without concentration, and in any case is 5,000x less than the Derived Intervention limit. Iodine-131 levels 100x to 1,000x greater still would not require intervention.

The situation deserves monitoring, but it certainly is unlikely to produce health concerns in the US. In the late 60's throughout the 70's when I was at Boston College, the nuclear chem group conducted 24/7 air monitoring, and could identify all atomspheric nuclear tests, identify the bomb type and yield from the extremely low levels of radioactive isotopes in the air from detonation a half a world away. We could even detect the asbestos mining activities in Canada and estimate how many tons per day were being mined from levels of asbestos that were undetectable by conventional means.

Bob
 
I remember being told that the dorms we lived in at college would not be certified as nuclear reactors as the radiation levels of some of the materials used to make the cement was too high. :eek:

In high school a good friend of mine brought in an orange ceramic plate at the request of our chemistry teacher. She told us that certain clays, especialy the ones used to make certain orange plates, were mildly radioactive. She put a Geiger Counter near the plate and it started clicking immediately. The teacher suggested that the plates only be used occasionally!

Listen to the experts on this. Right now the radiation from the Japanese reactor is not a significant risk to people in the U.S. Hopefully that does not change.
 
This video-lecture was given shortly after the earthquake so parts of it are somewhat dated, but there is a lot of good background information on radiation and associated risks:

https://online.kitp.ucsb.edu/plecture/bmonreal11/

The KITP also has a lot of other good lectures worth watching as well:

https://online.kitp.ucsb.edu/plecture/schedule.html

Their video streaming often sucks, so if you are having problems viewing the full-motion flash version, just view the source and download the FLV file.
 
unless there is a full and catostrophic meltdown, which from what i've heard is damn near impossible now that they've been able to get water back on the fissile materials, there won't be any risk. and hey, when we were fighting the commies back in the 50s, did anyone complain about the nukes being detonated on the ground, in the ocean, and in the air...before castle bravo hit a japanese fishing vessel and brought nuclear radiation into the public eye?

food for thought :D
 
In high school a good friend of mine brought in an orange ceramic plate at the request of our chemistry teacher. She told us that certain clays, especialy the ones used to make certain orange plates, were mildly radioactive. She put a Geiger Counter near the plate and it started clicking immediately. The teacher suggested that the plates only be used occasionally!

Probably not the clay. orange pigments used in glazes on pottery and in some coloured glass were made from uranium oxides upto the 1940s.
 
i feel silly asking this but have you more scientific guys
heard anything about the radiation getting in our milk?
it seems i heard that there were increased radiation levels
lately but thought i would ask you more scientific guys
what yall have been hearing ?

Actually, it much worse than you could imagine, every one will die a painful death.:y:
Best to get rid of your rocketry stuff now.
send them to me.:wink:
 
when we were fighting the commies back in the 50s, did anyone complain about the nukes being detonated on the ground, in the ocean, and in the air...
food for thought :D
Well, maybe not, but maybe it's a bit like God.
Radiation works whether you believe it or not.
 
OK - Bob pretty much hit it on the nail. The FDA is monitoring the situation, but some milk samples along the west coast are showing very minimal levels of radioactive iodine. As Bob said, the levels are so close to background that they are difficult to detect. As the QA manager for a small Midwest dairy, I can assure you there is absolutely no risk even if you are on the west coast.

In regards to the plates, you are talking to the vintage orange Fiestaware pottery. The glaze that gave it that deep rich orange color used uranium oxide as a pigment, and yes, it was radioactive. Anything that was coated with that glaze is radioactive (Btw, the glowing hands on a 50s vintage watch is also radioactive - that glowing paint is radium). However, that glaze has not been used on Fiestaware since the 50s or early 60s (I don't remember exacty when the line was closed down, but that is the approximate time). Currently produced Fiestaware is fine and is not remotely radioactive. Indeed, it was ONLY the vintage orange that was radioactive - all other colors were fine.

Also, ther is a big difference between exposure to low levels of radioactivity from your environment (such as holding a Fiestaware vintage orange plate or even a dental X-Ray) and ingesting radioactive materials (either eating or breathing them). in the latter case, the radioactive material can be absorbed by your cells and can do damage over time. This is the problem with radioactive iodine - it can be taken up by the thyroid gland and can cause thyroid cancer. BUT, the levels have to be a LOT higher than they are now to cause problems.
 
Bob did hit on the head. I am a physician and a graduate of the Nuclear, Biologic, and Chemical course for physicians produced by the US Army. I am not worried about the low levels of radioactive iodine in milk. I had a glass this morning.
 
I wouldn't worry it's 5,00 miles away and it didn't chernobel. We put alot more into our own air thanks to the testing above ground in the 40's and 50's in New Mexico and Nevada. How many vets are still alive when they were told to put on goggles and stand a mile to 10 miles away when they light off a bomb?
Mr. Bob
Starlight Model Rockets LLC
 
Bob,

I still see a few of those vets everyonce and a while. It is amazing we put them through it and few became ill. They did have increase cancer rates, but so many of them lived a normal life span.

These numbers are miniscule from being 10 miles fromt he blast.
 
Bob,

I still see a few of those vets everyonce and a while. It is amazing we put them through it and few became ill. They did have increase cancer rates, but so many of them lived a normal life span.

These numbers are miniscule from being 10 miles fromt he blast.

ooh that reminds me, physicists reported finding plutonium isotopes about 10 miles from the site...not significantly higher than normal levels in the northern hemisphere, but the isotopes were known to come from nuclear fission, so they were traceable back to the power plant.
 
Some coffee cups give off more radiation than what you'll get from Fukushima. During RAD safety training at a previous employer, a geiger counter was used on an older coffee cup. Similar to the prior post regarding the plate, the count was very much above background. It's evidently due to the types of clays used to make the cups.

(PG13 alert) I've heard it said that you receive more radiation from sleeping with two women than you would sleeping next to Three Mile Island. Moral of story, only sleep with one.

IMNSHO, the US population really needs some basic science education. The press should be ashamed of themselves for promoting nuclear hysteria.
 
I worked in the nuclear power industry 40 years ago. One time we toured a fuel rod assembly plant in N. Carolina. I stood about 30 feet away from the oven that was sintering the enriched uranium oxide pellets (no higher than 3 percent U-235). Radiation was not considered a problem. It is not until the fuel rod assemblies are put in the reactor and fissions occur producing radioactive isotopes like iodine, etc., that radiation becomes a concern. I remember that there was a guard at the door with a Geiger counter to make sure that no one helped themselves to some pellets and tried to walk out with them.
 
Probably not the clay. orange pigments used in glazes on pottery and in some coloured glass were made from uranium oxides upto the 1940s.

That makes sense. Ok, so I forgot ONE thing from high school 35 years ago. :D
 
people in my chem 102 class were asking the prof is they should buy potassium iodine...i really wanted to:bang:
 
I have potassium iodide tablets as part of my emergency preparedness supplies. They are quite out of date but still viable. I seriously doubt that we will ever need them but...



Always hope for the best but prepare for the worst.:wink:
 
you just gotta hope that the potassium and iodine aren't the radioactive isotopes :D
 
I have potassium iodide tablets as part of my emergency preparedness supplies. They are quite out of date but still viable. I seriously doubt that we will ever need them but...

Likewise. I got mine back in the 90's. I keep it next to my syrup of ipecac, suture needles and other emergency supplies. The only way I'd even consider taking it is if the {Chinese,Russians,Al Queda,...} nuked Sacramento or San Francisco and even then I'd think long and hard about it. It's a potassium salt so if it's kept dry, it should last indefinitely. Many people are allergic to iodine. Caveat emptor.

[Edit] - Edwin, I'll sell you a bottle for $200 now or you can wait for the hysteria to die down and buy a bottle for your first aid kit for $10 ;)
 
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FYI,

Most medical experts no longer recommend syrup of ipecac.
 
FYI,

Most medical experts no longer recommend syrup of ipecac.


Well that's interesting. I didn't know that. It looks like they are now relying on prevention, a nanny-state 800 number and forcing the manufacturers of syrup of ipecac out of business. To bad for those people 1.5 hours from the nearest medical provider.

What's next? Vitamins?
 
to clarify, Japan did raise the level to 7 which is the same level as Chernobyl.


just to really clarify: the levels are like motor letter designations. Just because you have a "G" motor, does not mean it is a full G motor - it could be just slightly more total impulse than a full F motor.

The levels go to 7 and this incident has had the total radiation released calcualted (they say they checked it twice now) and the totals put them into the level 7 (top level) category. Chernobyl released 10 times what this one did. AND it was a fire and explosion that sent the bad stuff high into the atmosphere which spread it over the entire northern hemisphere.

This event did not have that sort of core fire and explosion. They are releasing lots of radioactive water into the ocean and there has been some fallout in the local area; hence the evacuation zones and bans on seafood and crops.

READ the full info before posting panic messages. If you don't have the full info or do not understand it scientifically, then refrain from posting and spend your time LEARNING the SCIENCE behind this.

 
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