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What is your opinion on this Avro Lancaster?

  • It is just a Baby Bertha with some mods, an 8 motor park flyer for the kids.

  • It just looks too funny to be a flyable model rocket.

  • Given that all motors light with no wind it just might work.

  • Flying this one is a bit too dodgy!

  • Take her out to the high power pads and press the button!

  • The Crazy Train has just left the station and Daddy is riding!!


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Thanks Redneck_Pyro! You blind me with SCIENCE! With no way to know the exact ignition and burn times of each motor it looks OK, even though one of the out board motors seems to have been a bit behind the others and pushing it over. Thankfully all that nose weight provided enough inertia to overcome any serious motor burn out sin.
 
I think you are right! Hauptmann Kitty is an ace no doubt! he actually reminds me of the cat we adopted last year....very similar markings.

Thanks again. Those are awesome photos! I bet that is just what Hauptmann Kitty saw as he brought down that Lancaster (He sees in the dark just like we see in the daylight!)
 
ya know...this quote, from the Germans in Normandy I believe, pretty much sums up the Wermacht's opinion of the Luftwaffe in one sentence....

If you see a white plane it is American. If you see a black plane it is British. If you see no plane at all, it is the Luftwaffe!
 
I was always taught that if it's weird, it's British. If it is ugly, it is French. And if it is weird and ugly, it is Russian. I am stating no opinion here, just restating what was stated to me.
 
I think you are right! Hauptmann Kitty is an ace no doubt! he actually reminds me of the cat we adopted last year....very similar markings.

Although Hauptmann Von Kitty claims an aristocratic linage, my daughters brought him home from a shelter along with three others, two being Tabbies and one black. I tell them when I see other cats that look exactly the same that the Lord must have a big press in heaven that just stamps them out one after the other, all looking them same. Just like they stamped out those Lancs, each was 55,000 rivets flying in formation.
 
I may have mis-interpreted the comments, but I was under the impression that starting in September of 1939, according to some Spitfire and Hurricane pilots, (so my information is second-hand at best) the relationship was souring in a very serious way. Of course, the British Air Command with their radar, kept sending very cheerful personal greetings each time Herr Goering's Luftwaffe came to pay a visit.
 
Now hold on there boy, and keep your wings on! (LOL) Now I always thought the DeHavilland DH-2 was a beautiful plane. You might be able to do something with that!
 
I may have mis-interpreted the comments, but I was under the impression that starting in September of 1939, according to some Spitfire and Hurricane pilots, (so my information is second-hand at best) the relationship was souring in a very serious way. Of course, the British Air Command with their radar, kept sending very cheerful personal greetings each time Herr Goering's Luftwaffe came to pay a visit.

The Germans mastered close air support, under the control of the Army ground commander who told the Luftwaffe what to do. They called it Blitzkrieg. Early on it was the Allies who had all the inter service rivalries, in fighting and non cooperation, until they had to learn the hard way and real quick what the secret to the German success was. By 1944 it was just a butt kickin' contest and Jerry was providing the butt with their command structure in tatters.
 
Now hold on there boy, and keep your wings on! (LOL) Now I always thought the DeHavilland DH-2 was a beautiful plane. You might be able to do something with that!


The DH-2 was a beautiful and functional airplane that ended the Fokker Scourge. The little beastie pictured is the very weird Blackburn Scout that could barely taxi across the field without tipping over.
 
Absolutely spectacular. hats off, mate. you are now officially a 'rocket god'!


Thanks, but I don't quite have a spot carved out on Mount Olympus or Valhalla yet. I'm just barely a Level One, a PFC, and that is only because a tough young guy was able to scale a rock canyon wall to retrieve my Level One rocket that caught an unfortunate gust of wind. Now the real Gods and Monsters are Level Three, the Sergeants (NCOs), the boys who look at their computer tracking screens after their sleek, 3FNC composite and aluminum wonder machines rip outta sight on a motor they simply refer to as three seconds of hell. They call up the government to inform them they are in space doing science, while I just point to the old 70's Estes Catalog that says the "Mighty D" is for experienced rocketeers only. They retire to the big air conditioned Winnebago for a pousse-cafe while I sit on the dusty tail gate with a Schlitz Malt Liquor hoping I remembered to bring a change of shorts.
 
War is hell. Here is the carnage from NSL. The Lancaster Mark Two had a great take off and flight, went into the wind after the power leveled off. The wind was a bit high but still OK I thought when she launched, this is the NSL by golly! One of the out board motors lit a bit late and professional take off photos are coming that will show that. All eight did light and she instantly straightened up just after leaving the rail and flew up like a rocket should. She then went a bit airplane on me, just can't figure out why a rocket like this should want to fly like an airplane in the wind. . . maybe I need to actually read up on some good rocket science in a book rather than just looking at the pictures.

Everything seemed OK until the ejection charges started to go off. Bang, one chute rips off, BANG-BANG chutes number two and three rip off, BANG, chute number four deploys and holds on. OMG! One chute is not enough for this weighty bird. She went well over the flight line but I knew she came in hard, at least no one was hurt or any property damaged. The chutes ripping off looked a bit like flak bursts in flight. When I walked up to the crash site I was actually quite pleased with the results. The thin walled tube had broken cleanly in front of the wing and one rudder had popped off. Walking back in a straight line there were three nose cones and chutes lined up. Did my high end Estes plastic chutes fail? No. Had my cheap Hobby Lobby elastic shock cords failed? No. Just a long piece of Kevlar all frayed at the end were it had attached under the nose cone. The heat from the Might D ejection charges had done them in on the fast deploying speed of the second flight. My faith in bullet proof Kevlar was shattered. Time to wipe off all the soot and repair, thinking of a new, more durable recovery system. Some epoxy and Popsicle sticks will strengthen up the nose reattachment. The burn on the tail and rear cockpit has been solved with the MK II's flight, and it still looked good!

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The Lanc and DO 217 are repairable. However, the AR 234 ist Kaput. The higher winds of NSL did in these finicky war birds on deployment, but did I learn anything on those subsequent launches? Heck no. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

I saw some awesome in flight photos people took, maybe they will post. The rocket smoke trails look just like con trails in flight and the photos have an almost eerie realness to them.
 
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That is too bad on the Arado. I use steel cable a lot for shock cords, with Kevlar attached to that. Plastic fuel line tubing over the Kevlar and secured where the Kevlar and end of tube intersect.

As for terror, I am presuming my L-3 bird will go through that on Sunday at NCR. 12.3 seconds of high frequency oscillations within the hybrid motor case. When it successfully flies, I will not be a NCO or anything else, but lucky and blessed. You are close enough, come see it. I am going to fly on Saturday with at least a "J". When that is successful we may try a hybrid "K", or a CTI "L". The people I need for observation will be there on Sunday, that will be the "M". I am not trying to build myself up with these comments. You know we have talked before, I think we have kindred spirits, so I thought you would want to know. BEAR
 
That is too bad on the Arado. I use steel cable a lot for shock cords, with Kevlar attached to that. Plastic fuel line tubing over the Kevlar and secured where the Kevlar and end of tube intersect.

As for terror, I am presuming my L-3 bird will go through that on Sunday at NCR. 12.3 seconds of high frequency oscillations within the hybrid motor case. When it successfully flies, I will not be a NCO or anything else, but lucky and blessed. You are close enough, come see it. I am going to fly on Saturday with at least a "J". When that is successful we may try a hybrid "K", or a CTI "L". The people I need for observation will be there on Sunday, that will be the "M". I am not trying to build myself up with these comments. You know we have talked before, I think we have kindred spirits, so I thought you would want to know. BEAR

I will really try be there as I think another buddy will also be going for his Level 3. Nothing like the sound of a big hybrid, should be awesome. Don't be too Surprised, Surprised, Surprised if I go a bit Gomer Pyle at the sights and sounds of the big motors going off and call you guys Sergeants.
 
Daddy...that is just a shame...these are such impressive builds..all of them...just works of art....and a LOT of thought, planning and craftsmanship too. your picture resembles the carnage left over after one of the Schweinfurt raids....shame about the AR234 though...that was a sweet rocket.

War is hell. Here is the carnage from NSL. The Lancaster Mark Two had a great take off and flight, went into the wind after the power leveled off. The wind was a bit high but still OK I thought when she launched, this is the NSL by golly! One of the out board motors lit a bit late and professional take off photos are coming that will show that. All eight did light and she instantly straightened up just after leaving the rail and flew up like a rocket should. She then went a bit airplane on me, just can't figure out why a rocket like this should want to fly like an airplane in the wind. . . maybe I need to actually read up on some good rocket science in a book rather than just looking at the pictures.

Everything seemed OK until the ejection charges started to go off. Bang, one chute rips off, BANG-BANG chutes number two and three rip off, BANG, chute number four deploys and holds on. OMG! One chute is not enough for this weighty bird. She went well over the flight line but I knew she came in hard, at least no one was hurt or any property damaged. The chutes ripping off looked a bit like flak bursts in flight. When I walked up to the crash site I was actually quite pleased with the results. The thin walled tube had broken cleanly in front of the wing and one rudder had popped off. Walking back in a straight line there were three nose cones and chutes lined up. Did my high end Estes plastic chutes fail? No. Had my cheap Hobby Lobby elastic shock cords failed? No. Just a long piece of Kevlar all frayed at the end were it had attached under the nose cone. The heat from the Might D ejection charges had done them in on the fast deploying speed of the second flight. My faith in bullet proof Kevlar was shattered. Time to wipe off all the soot and repair, thinking of a new, more durable recovery system. Some epoxy and Popsicle sticks will strengthen up the nose reattachment. The burn on the tail and rear cockpit has been solved with the MK II's flight, and it still looked good!

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The Lanc and DO 217 are repairable. However, the AR 234 ist Kaput. The higher winds of NSL did in these finicky war birds in on deployment, but did I learn anything on those subsequent launches? Heck no. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

I saw some awesome in flight photos people took, maybe they will post. The rocket smoke trails look just like con trails in flight and the photos have an almost eerie realness to them.
 
you are in full mode of having a perfect swing into the air ... absolutely an effective airplane model is a sheer want .. but i think you have got one... for sure...
 
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you are in full mode of having a perfect swing into the air ... absolutely an effective airplane model is a sheer want .. but i think you have got one... for sure...

Thanks. The going up part has been good, the coming down part has not always been so good. What goes well on the first flight might not go so well on the second. Lots of problems and challenges to over come. A reliable recovery system is the next step, along with bullet proofing the weak parts of the tube if an impact with terra firma is a bit speedy. Time for high strength steel in these low powered model rockets. I thought rocket science was wearing a seersucker white shirt with pocket protection and thin black tie, always getting it right in the high tech world of NASA. What is has turned out to be is a lot of trial and error, trudging through the dusty fields to pick up, repair and modify busted rockets. At any time I expect the Rocket Commissar to drive up in the Black ZiL and give me a one way ticket to a lovely resort in the Gulag Archipelago.
 
Hey Jeff here is one where I am smiling :smile: Well I guess you have to go to COSROC's website for a higher resolution version to actually see the smile but it does exist.

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They usually go RSO; :facepalm: ,flight worthiness explanation; :blush: ,pad assignment; :D ,heads up call and countdown; :y: ,launch; :jaw: ,flight and recovery; :surprised::point: ,picking up little bits that fell off; :sigh: ,post flight analysis. :bangpan:
 
Hey Jeff here is one where I am smiling :smile: Well I guess you have to go to COSROC's website for a higher resolution version to actually see the smile but it does exist.

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They usually go RSO; :facepalm: ,flight worthiness explanation; :blush: ,pad assignment; :D ,heads up call and countdown; :y: ,launch; :jaw: ,flight and recovery; :surprised::point: ,picking up little bits that fell off; :sigh: ,post flight analysis. :bangpan:



At CRASH we Love DAddy’s love enthusiasm!
 
the Lanc and Do 217 are back in action!! nice job on the repairs. The AR 234 was a good bird Daddy!

Thanks. Popsicle sticks and epoxy do wonders to reattach the front end of these rockets where added weight and strength is actually a plus. You might take some comfort in the fact that the bits of body tube salvaged from the mid-section of the AR 234 were used to repair the DO 217. Any bit of scrap is valuable to the Luftwaffe in these late stages of the war.
 

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