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So reading the Amiga thread go me thinking.. I looked around my shop and though yeah.... We have come a long way with computers in a short time..

Well.. this is a small trip down memory lane...

WHO remembers this.. ,8,1

WHO remembers notching out the oppisite side of a 5-1/2 inch FLOPPY drive and reformatting it

WHO remembers Compuserve

WHO used NETSCAPE

WHO used Windows 3.1

WHO knows what a MFM drive is..

Here are a few pics I took at my shop today...

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Dang, you're a young pup. :)

Go back further to storing programs on cassette tapes.

Or, if you want real fun, punched cards and paper tape. Never dealt with the former (thank goodness), but I did with the latter.

-Kevin
 
I remember them all.
I remember programming on a Apple II in BASIC, the hot thing was a dual-sided 8" floppy, and VGA colour graphics were absolutely stunning!
 
Youngins!

Timex Sinclair ZX81...built from the Heathkit...as a junior high school student. Learned to program in BASIC and assembler on that thing.

FC
 
Dang, you're a young pup. :)

Go back further to storing programs on cassette tapes.

Or, if you want real fun, punched cards and paper tape. Never dealt with the former (thank goodness), but I did with the latter.

-Kevin
You're too young.

My first "PC" was a PDP-8e with 4K of core memory back in 1971! No monitors back then, simply an ARS-33 teletype terminal with a paper tape reader/writer. :)

Really didn't do much until we upped the memory to 8K of core. Used to do 1000 kinetics modeling runs each night and even figured out how program the teletype to make logarithmic data plots. :cool:

Used it daily during my last 2 years of undergraduate and 3 years of grad school. Missed it when I started my job after grad school. :sad:

Bob
 
Been there, done that.

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Entered COBOL decks on a KSR-33. "Working-Hyphen-Storage" and all that.

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Had an IMSAI computer at work that you programmed by flipping toggle switches.

Thereafter a procession of Trash 80's, Apples, Atari's with cassette, floppy, and ultimately hard drives. Yes, an Atari 800 with 256K of RAM and an external hard drive. I like to tinker and I know how to solder. Wrote software, too: BBS applications like the first online "cuss" filter, video grafitti which has come to be known as "Shout Box" on many forums, and some transfer protocols. NO MONETARY COMPENSATION! Steal from the best, right? That reminds me, I met Bill Gates, too.

BTW, Lee Felsenstein was my college roommate. Google him. He WAS monetarily compensated.
 
You're all young pups, I might need to dust off my Babbage Difference Engine...

Just kiddin, the 1st we had in the home was the Apple II+. I still remember typing "catalog" to list a directory's files.
 
So reading the Amiga thread go me thinking.. I looked around my shop and though yeah.... We have come a long way with computers in a short time..

Well.. this is a small trip down memory lane...

WHO remembers this.. ,8,1

WHO remembers notching out the oppisite side of a 5-1/2 inch FLOPPY drive and reformatting it

WHO remembers Compuserve

WHO used NETSCAPE

WHO used Windows 3.1

WHO knows what a MFM drive is..

Here are a few pics I took at my shop today...

Remember using windows comm program because the dos version did not support redail until connected.

Remember driving over an hour because someone had a 2400 baud internal modem for sale used.

Remember loading windows from 20ish floppys because they didn't want to buy a cd .

Remember my first hard card wasn't boot in orig ibm pc, had to trade up into xt clone.

Remember firstv 80mb maxtor ide drive.

Remember editing $chicago into cfg programs to try to install.

Remember when aol ran on GEM and could trade files without compuserve subscription

Remember the GIFfy girls.

Remember initializing RLL drives to cards.

Kenny
 
Windows 95.. 20 floppys..

Still have a in the box wrapped 2400 baud modem..

How about Hyper-terminal..

The thing I remember clearly is the introduction of the Dreded VOODOO 16 Meg video card.. Still got a few... Ahhh.. the good old days..
 
Punch cards had an amazingly long life... I've read about their use in the 60's, doing Apollo lunar trajectories on hundreds/thousands of punch cards and all that... but when I was still row-crop farming cotton, we (USDA cotton grading service) still used punch cards up into the early/mid 90's... When you picked a trailer of cotton (it's all pressed into "modules" now like a giant loaf of bread about 8 feet wide at the base, 6 feet wide on top, and about 25-30 feet long, with about 8-10, maybe up to 12 bales of seed cotton (about 1500 lbs each, of which about 900 pounds is seed, 500 pounds is lint, and 100 pounds is leaf debris "trash"). The cotton went to the gin, and they ginned it and pressed it into bales, and pulled samples from the edge of the bales... an "official" USDA warehouse card was then attached to the bale, with a tear-off tag at the bottom that the sample was rolled around, which was then sent to the USDA grading lab at college station, where they employed a bunch of A&M know-nothings cheap to run samples through the automated grading machines... (and yeah I've seen grades come back that sucked when I KNEW it was good cotton-- college idiots probably had the machine out of whack or mismatched the samples and bale numbers in the data entry or whatever...) USDA then issued an "official" grade card (punch card) for that bale... white card with green writing on it, dot-matrix printed grades in boxes across the top so that you could read it, and punch-card across the rest of the thing for the buyer's computer to read when you sold it. This card then went back to the gin, who had various ways of getting them back to you-- usually either 'pigeonholing' it in a specific "box" for each farmer, a file cabinet, or the secretary rubber banding them together into bundles to give to you... The cotton bale would have, in the meantime, gone on to the gov't approved warehouse in Galveston (Moody Compress) where it is "officially" weighed (the gin had weighed it and used that figure to calculate ginning charges and the seed credit (they pay you for the cotton seed, which used to cover ginning charges, sometimes even get a seed check at the end of the year, but that was a LONG time ago... ginning charges went up within a few years from breakeven to pretty substantial charges over a few years time, even with the seed credit gnawing the bill down... I'd hate to think what ginning charges are NOW! at today's energy prices... the whole gin here in town is powered by 400 volt three phase motors...) Anyway, the warehouse would issue the "official weight ticket" warehouse card, and once you had those and the class card from USDA, then you'd match them up and take them to the buyer (when you were ready to sell.) They'd manually enter the weights into the computer and stick the class cards into the punch card reader, and the computer would combine the two... then thanks to the internet, they'd look at the NY Mercantile cotton exchange prices at that moment, subtract their percentage, calculate the grading deductions (from off-color, high or low micronaire (coarse or fine fiber), short staple length, grass, bark, or other trash, etc...) and then make you an offer... You could call around and get current prices, but the buyers didn't want to honor their 'bid' if it was more than a half-day old... depending on what the futures market was doing (usually going down, so they want to buy it cheaper).

In the early 90's, the warehouses FINALLY started issuing electronic warehouse receipts (EWR's) for cotton on floppys... it was "encrypted" so farmers couldn't hack it (like hardly any of 'em could anyway) in a way that the buyers would accept as a universal standard... BUT USDA continued to issue punch cards for the grading class cards for another 4-5 years... the buyers were getting PO'd about it, because computers were REALLY evolving quickly in the early 90's and new systems, both hardware and software, were coming out constantly, and it was hard to integrate card readers into the works... very few of the buyer's systems supported the card readers and the hardware itself was expensive and difficult to get, is what some buyers told me... FINALLY USDA switched over to an encrypted disk as well after a few years... So for a couple years you had to tote around two floppies with all your warehouse and class data on it to sell your crop... then finally right about the time I quit row cropping and went to strictly cattle (early 2000's) they simply uploaded it all to the gin's computer and they'd burn you a floppy to run to the buyer when you were ready to sell...

It's all a mess... I remember back when the cotton samples torn off the bales were actually individually wrapped in a brown-paper sleeve about 4 inches in diameter and about a foot long, with cotton sticking out both ends... the "tear off" bit of the official bale tag was stapled to the sleeve... you'd go into the gin office, and the secretary would hand you a big stack of these things, tied together with twine... and a stack of warehouse receipts... heck back in those days, you'd step into the back office of the gin office and there was usually a buyer there, who'd pull the cotton out of the sample sleeve, unroll it, count the "pepper trash" leaf debris in it, look for stray stalk bark, pull some of the fibers out and measure them against a card to determine the staple length, and then make you an offer on the spot... no checking with any stock market crap... You either took the offer, in which case he'd add up the bale weights on the warehouse receipts and multiply by the cents per pound offer and write you a check on the spot, or you begged off and took your samples and warehouse receipts on down the road to another buyer in town or the next town if you thought you were being "lowballed"...

The more technology we get, the worse things get, IMHO... Heck in the old days, with "hand run" samples you carried directly to the buyer, with the warehouse receipts for "official weights", you could LITERALLY get a check within ten minutes of walking into the gin office... usually just an overnight or day or two wait for the warehouse receipts to come back... you could put the check in the bank before you left town to go back to the field... Then when the stupid computers came into play, and USDA stuck their noses into the grading process (so they could screw you on micronaire, "mike" as it's called, which is a measure of the fineness or coarseness of the cotton fibers... a specific size sample of fibers is rolled up and stuck into the machine, which then presses it between two plates, with a small orifice in the plate, which then shoots a specific air charge at a specific pressure through the sample, and measures how much air goes through, either as backpressure or flow rate or something... the coarser the fibers, the more air gets through... they dock you HEAVY for high and low mike... in the old days, the buyers had no way to check for mike other than just the 'feel" of the cotton and didn't worry about it... but "modern" spinning machines (air spinners) are more sensitive to high or low mike cotton and can't spin it as well as the older machines, so they dock you if the mike is too high or too low... in fact if the mike is REALLY high sometimes it's a battle finding anybody to even buy the crop!) With computers, not only did the buyers screw you worse because of the grade cards, but when DTN came about and every dealer had instant access to the NY Merc trading floor current prices, they REALLY screwed you over... I remember when DTN first came in at the gins where you could actually see it... handiest thing on it was live weather radar, so you could see the bad thunderstorms barrelling down on you that would ruin your picking for the day in an hour or two... well, I guess the live quotes from the selling floor let you know what the price was and what it was trending, and figuring the basis let you "get your own quote" more or less and decide if you even wanted to bother calling the buyer or going to see him... Thing is, when computers came into the picture, the days of selling your cotton in the gin office was GONE... now you waited, not overnight or a day or two for warehouse tickets, but 3-4 days, sometimes up to a week... whenever the warehouse people got around to doing the data entry and sending the paper tickets, and later the data packets, out to the gins... USDA class cards invariably took between 5-7 days at the earliest, sometimes 10-14 days... before you could sell the cotton. When it all went to internet transfer to the gin, it sped up SLIGHTLY, but then you were trading mailing time for a pack of cards from the USDA classing lab to the gin for whenever the beleagered gin secretary could actually compile all the data for the individual farmers and burn you a floppy... so it was about a wash...

So much for technology making things easier...

Later! OL JR :)
 
Dang, you're a young pup. :)

Go back further to storing programs on cassette tapes

-Kevin

That, of course, was ....,1,1

Did punch cards in college writing little programs in FORTRAN. But at home is all started with LOAD "NAME",1,1....


To get back to the OP:

Was on Compuserve from my Amiga. I was even able to pick up work email via a terminal program from the Ami for a time - back when work email was on an IBM mainframe.

Did use Netscape (at work) as well.....now run Firefox there and either it or Safari (depending on platform) at home.

Didn't have Windoze in the house until Win95 - stuck with the Amiga (and the C-64s, later running GEOS) until then. I had a Mac SE at work (system 6) during Boeing's Win 3.1 period - thank goodness!
 
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My memories...

8 inch floppies, 10 inch reels (don't forget the write ring), 50 MB 14" fixed disk drive the size of a washing machine powered by 208v.
When the office got the first PC to do some accounting, it was an XT with dual 5 inch floppies, no Hard Drive, and cost nearly $10,000.
(I thought it was nothing more than an underpowered toy compared to my monster number crunching, power sucking HP3000)

Cr@p..... now I suddenly feel real old.... old_man_SMILEY.gif
 
Ah yes, the good old days. :D

I remember punch cards and teletypes from when I was studying at university. In particular, I remember when one winter a particularly hard freeze caused a pipe in the ceiling to burst. I was first in that day, saw a couple of broken ceiling tiles and some more bulging suspiciously right above some of the teletypes, so I moved the terminals out of the way. The printer in the next room was lucky, one tile had burst next to but not directly above it. The printouts which some people had failed to collect were not so lucky, they were next to the printer. We also had some really modern technology in the form of VDU's. :lol:

The first computer I owned was the Sinclair ZX-81, built from a kit. I've probably still got it somewhere. It loaded files from tape cassette. So, originally, did the BBC Micro which I got later. For best results you used a cheap simple cassette player rather than a fancy hi-fi set with filters that got in the way of unpleasant sounds such as data. The BBC Micro had the useful feature that it loaded files in blocks, so if one block failed you knew fairly soon and just had to rewind to replay that block - much nicer than playing through the whole file and then finding that it hadn't loaded correctly!

I do remember cutting a notch in the side of a floppy disk to use the other side, though the disk drive which later went onto the BBC Micro was high tech, it was double-sided. The first place where I worked had a Cromemco machine which used 8" floppies. The second place I worked used to have a Vax (can't remember now exactly which type) with a tape drive, though I was not the one responsible for backups at that time so I never got to play with it.

The first PC I bought had MS-DOS 6.2 and Windows 3.11. I never bothered with Windows 95 or any other intermediate version until I got a newer PC with Windows XP, which brings me more or less up to date. :)

I remember PC's with 32MB storage space. I used to have a Psion Organiser (early PDA) with the same amount. Nowadays that's pitiful for just the graphics card!
 
The first computer I really got to play with was a SWTP 6800 with the extra-deluxe 8KB memory board. We built it ~1974 from a kit at the science center where I was a HS volunteer. At school we had a card-programmable Monroe calculator that more or less mechanically executed the program. Later punched a whole lotta cards in college (late 1970's) until the ADM-3A and later VT-100 terminals came along. While in college came to find out that the shared office at Iowa State I had with a bunch of other physics students was pretty much the exact spot where the Atanasoff-Berry computer was built in the 1930's; in the steam tunnels outside that room were various primitive electro-mechanical gadgets that looked like they could have been relics from that project - pretty cool. Learned assembly programming on a PDP-8 too...those things were great.
 
In addition to most everything else...

  • Shugart 8" SSSD Floppy
  • Debug> G800:5
  • ESDI drives
  • QIC-20 for backups
  • Actually squeezing environment space out of CONFIG.SYS
  • FH 5.25" ST506 as the HDD in an original Macintosh
  • My first computer was back there with Bob -> PDP 8 (We entered 35,000 lines of code on a teletype to create the punch tape to load 6502 cross compiler)
  • ARPANET anyone?
  • SDLC
  • ARCNET
  • 802.2 & Vampire taps.
  • Non Maskable Interrupt
  • IRQ and DMA settings with jumpers.
  • I still have a complete set of IBM manuals for the XT, through the AT and DOS 1.0 through 6 in the little IBM slipcases that came with the PC -> when the schematics were in the manual!
  • Hercules graphics...EGA...IBM Professional Graphics Adapter (took two slots on the bus)
  • WATBOL77
  • Punch cards to load classwork onto a IBM 360
  • Flipping the card around so the keypunch operator would know which lines of the program had changed when reading the coding sheet.

Lord the people who whine about Windows have no idea how challenging computing can be.
 
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Just mentioning cassette tapes made me shudder. Waiting forever to load a large file only to find the volume on the cheap Radio Shack cassette player was wrong was extremely frustrating. I'm holding on to my two TRS-80 Model I's. Someday they're going to be worth a fortune.

I remember punch cards from college. Many trees were sacrificed so I could learn Fortran. I also remember the noise that big hard drive made when I decided to be helpful and unjam the card reader. It seems that tossing out the crumpled cards on top of the pile confused the computer a lot.
 
So reading the Amiga thread go me thinking.. I looked around my shop and though yeah.... We have come a long way with computers in a short time..

Well.. this is a small trip down memory lane...

WHO remembers this.. ,8,1

WHO remembers notching out the oppisite side of a 5-1/2 inch FLOPPY drive and reformatting it

WHO remembers Compuserve

WHO used NETSCAPE

WHO used Windows 3.1

WHO knows what a MFM drive is..

Here are a few pics I took at my shop today...
No.
No.
No.
Yes, actually.
No.
Yay for Wikipedia! :)
 
Let's see - learned to program BASIC in college on an HP 9830 mini computer. It had a single line of LED characters to display the current line you were typing in, a thermal printer to list the whole program and a cassette tape for program and data storage. The one difference was that it could actually index the cassette and fast forward to the program you needed. I actually made my own cassette tape for my personal programs (Radio Shack Cassette Repair Kit, razor saw to cut the notch in the cassette and a but of sheet styrene to close the hole).

When I graduated from college in 78, I bought the third TRS-80 Model I Level I (4K memory, cassette tape storage) that came to our town (first two went to RS employees). I had to wait for Radio Shack to release the Level II upgrade because it wasn't out yet when I bought my machine. Lived with that one for a couple years until I could get a brand new Apple IIe. The graphics on the TRS-80 may have been primitive, but Level II was a pretty sophisticated BASIC complete with bit masking and a full Boolean algebra instruction set. Learned some tricks with Boolean that amazed my peers.
 
Actually squeezing environment space out of CONFIG.SYS

Man, back in DOS gaming days, messing with CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT was critical to get every last KB to run some of those programs out there without having to shut down other stuff. Sometimes it was almost a black art...

FC
 
TRS 80 (Trash 80?!)
CP/M runnig Wordstar, and 8" floppies
DOS (Pick a version) I liked that you could send a directory listing to a printer. Something that's missing in all the windows machines I've worked on!
text based games
300 baud modems, the ones with that held the phone's handset
Rotary dial phones for that matter!
And yes, the ZX-81 / Timex Sinclair 1000 and the tape back-up..
 
So reading the Amiga thread go me thinking.. I looked around my shop and though yeah.... We have come a long way with computers in a short time..

Well.. this is a small trip down memory lane...

WHO remembers this.. ,8,1

Not sure about this one

WHO remembers notching out the oppisite side of a 5-1/2 inch FLOPPY drive and reformatting it

Yes, and had the special hole punch to do it with.

WHO remembers Compuserve

Yep

WHO used NETSCAPE

I'll take Netscape, over Exploder any day.

WHO used Windows 3.1

Missed out on this cause I was programming Apple Basic on an Apple II-c. Best door stop I've ever owned.

WHO knows what a MFM drive is..

No...

Here are a few pics I took at my shop today...


There was a punch card machine in the Science building at WKU but my time was spent learning COBOL on work stations.
Wish I had kept some of those 8" disks that were laying around then.
How about the TI-99?
Used the T.V. as a monitor and I couldn't afford a tape drive. Best boat anchor I ever owned...
I used to sell Tandy computers back in the 80's. Remember thinking that $4000 for a box and CPU without video card or much pretty much everything else, was a bit steep.
Woo remembers monochrome monitors!?
You had all the choices in the world, green or amber. I always liked amber.
Radio Shack's first self-contained laptop weighed about as much as a full size spare tire and had a blue monochrome LCD screen.
And then there was that fateful day we received our first internal hard drives, a whole 1 meg of storage! At the time we couldn't imagine anybody needing any more that that.
And finally, I still have the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy game on 5 1/4" floppy, but nowhere to play it.
 
Got an Apple IIc when I was a kid. Got lots of books and learned some BASIC. In 2000 I build a computer with parts purchased online and thought I was pretty hot stuff. Now I don't know anything about computers...
 
This is where I started. Still have it in the attic.

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I always wished I'd gotten one of the first generation iMacs. In Tangerine.

I've never worked with a Windows PC.
 
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WHO remembers this.. ,8,1
No

WHO remembers notching out the oppisite side of a 5-1/2 inch FLOPPY drive and reformatting it
Yes

WHO remembers Compuserve
Yes - my first dive into the BBS world!

WHO used NETSCAPE
Hated it! :)

WHO used Windows 3.1
Hated it! :)

WHO knows what a MFM drive is..
These were the magnetic drive packs right?

I have a Commodore CBM (working) with the 32k upgrade board and the dual 5.25 floppy drives (working until about 3 months ago - smoked).

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My first computer was a single-board "Super Elf II" which I assembled from a kit. It had a whopping 256 bytes of memory. (Note, that's "256 bytes," not "256 KB" or "256 MB!") It had a hex keypad and display. It also hooked up to a TV to display something like 64 x 32 pixel graphics (the entire memory was mapped to the screen, so you saw the program and it's data as random-looking blocks on the top of the display).

Along the way I had several TRS-80s, including one of the early hand-assembled-in-Texas, Model Is, and wrote several articles for 80 Micro, Hot Coco, and other computer magazines.

My first PC had 64K of memory and two floppy drives. I later spent $1200 to add a 20M hard drive to it.

My current desktop computer has 16GB of RAM (about 64 million times my first computer's memory) and 1TB of hard drive space.

Many years ago I saw a 1 terabyte (TB) memory storage system. It consisted of an array of thousands of magnetic cartridges which were selected one-at-a-time and used like records in a big jukebox. The system literally filled a warehouse.

I still have a TRS-80 Model III, a Model 4P, and a Color Computer ... somewhere.

-- Roger
 
Windows 95.. 20 floppys..

Still have a in the box wrapped 2400 baud modem..

How about Hyper-terminal..

The thing I remember clearly is the introduction of the Dreded VOODOO 16 Meg video card.. Still got a few... Ahhh.. the good old days..

Copy con to make autoexec.bat to free up more ram to run Windows 95 install with CD, as CD driver loading dropped it below threshold.

First windows accelerators and Monster 3d cards ! Castle Wolfenstein

ARCnet is dated - but still use SneakerNet !

ComputorEdge & having to check long distance before dialing modem for bbs

SuperSocket 7 & the 3COM 3C905b-TX - personal faves.

:point:
Kenny
 
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