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Star Wars - Rise of Skywalker
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What we learned from Episode 9 is that the story of Star Wars was not about the Skywalkers, but was about the Palpatines.
What's been bothering me lately is the liberal use of bacta tanks. Qui Gonn stabbed on the stomach, gone. Darth Mal cut on half, bacta tank. Fennec shot in the stomach, cyborg. Sabine stabbed in the stomach, don't bother just take the band aid off and forget about eating cheese.
What's been bothering me lately is the liberal use of bacta tanks. Qui Gonn stabbed on the stomach, gone. Darth Mal cut on half, bacta tank. Fennec shot in the stomach, cyborg. Sabine stabbed in the stomach, don't bother just take the band aid off and forget about eating cheese.
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New, modern, hip, Disney Star Wars is written for a new, modern, hipster audience. Not old, obsolete, patriarchal dudes hung up on George Lucas's OT and Prequel cannon. Dave Filoni is "sticking it" too the old story line in lock step with his boss Kathy and her story group. The force is female, Geode Rocks and I LIKE DINOSAURS!
The Expanded Universe was sunset under Legends, allowing Disney to pick and choose for it's new IP. The old established cannon is not that important and will not stand in the way of new, creative and excellent content. No mention of midichlorians allowed!
Like the great Rose Tico said about trashing the Casino and freeing the space horses "It was all woth it!" And a little kiss for Finn..."That's how we're gonna win. Not fighting what we hate. Saving what we love." The Last Jedi. Rian Johnson's writing is so on for DISNEY Star Wars. Let the profits from movies, streaming and merchandise roll in!
The Expanded Universe was sunset under Legends, allowing Disney to pick and choose for it's new IP. The old established cannon is not that important and will not stand in the way of new, creative and excellent content. No mention of midichlorians allowed!
Like the great Rose Tico said about trashing the Casino and freeing the space horses "It was all woth it!" And a little kiss for Finn..."That's how we're gonna win. Not fighting what we hate. Saving what we love." The Last Jedi. Rian Johnson's writing is so on for DISNEY Star Wars. Let the profits from movies, streaming and merchandise roll in!
Disney cancelling The Clone Wars was another one of their dumber moves.
Asajj Ventress's story is wrapped up in a novel called Dark Disciple. It's based on unmade episodes of The Clone Wars, is actually pretty good, and is one of the few Disney materials that I am keeping as I convert my collection to pre-Disney books and comics.
In terms of finances, it was really the only option. When you have a show without a clearly defined age demographic you’re going to struggle to attract advertisers in the timeslots that it’s in and the budget needs to be smaller.
George was perfectly happy to fund the show out of his own pocket, but the budget cuts required for it to turn a profit for Disney would not have done the show justice.
Recalibrating with lower-budget shows on Disney XD and planning the launch of a renewed TCW on an in-house streaming service where only viewer numbers matter and the budget could be justified was a masterful move that Darth Sidious himself would have been impressed with, strategically speaking.
I would have loved to see the full series produced but the series as-is succeeded in wrapping up the core story while setting up a successor in The Bad Batch.
Favorite screen grab from Clone Wars:
Considering how badly most of those shows have been received by longtime hardcore fans, and that the word in general is that Disney+ is having trouble retaining subscribers, I don't agree that it was a "masterful move."
The rest is the difference between Lucas and Disney. Lucas wanted to be creative and make art, and the profit was a side effect of that. Disney wants to make profits, and the art is only a means to that end.
Really? I haven’t been super involved in a while but I kinda got the opposite vibes.
That’s believable.
In fairness, thinking about it, our perceptions of that might just have to do with the circles we run with. I didn't like the sequels, I don't like most of the Disney+ shows, and tend to interact with people who feel the same. I don't actually know how many people like me there are vs. how many people there are who are more positive about the Disney era.
This is just my experience so take it with a grain of salt, the kinds of fans that seem to agree with me are around my age (mid-30's) or older, and are familiar with at least some Legends content.
I'm a child of the 90's and my introduction to Star Wars came with the special editions. My parents didn't take me to the movies but did buy me a VHS set of the original trilogy - which I still have and now know was actually the final VHS release of the theatrical version (non-special edition) of Star Wars. I've been a voracious reader all my life and started borrowing Star Wars books from the public library, so I've been into Legends from a young age, and since a year or two before the prequels came out.
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Well, Disney is a publicly traded corporation (full disclosure: I am a shareholder, and if you have a 401K you probably are, too), so they have a moral obligation to maximize profits, albeit not a explicit legal one. One of the primary metrics Wall Street is using to gauge the Company's performance are their Disney+ subscriber numbers, which have fallen in recent quarters.
Star Wars content is a big, big part of their subscriber strategy, and so far it has been hit and miss. "Mandalorian" boosted subscribers in a big way, but subsequent SW offerings have not. In my not-statistically-significant opinion "Andor" is the greatest, most compelling bit of Star Wars content ever offered, and I can't wait for season 2. Just that anticipation is enough to keep me subscribed.
Has poorly received Star Wars content really caused subscriber counts to fall off? Intriguingly, no. Subscriber counts in western, high-margin countries have held up. The biggest dagger to the heart of their Disney+ subscriber numbers have been in India, of all places, where the primary subscriber retention strategy has been a deal to stream Indian Premiere League cricket matches at a very low price. When Disney let that contract lapse after several seasons the global subscriber counts fell way off, and Wall Street freaked.
Could the Star Wars content be better? Perhaps. Would it make a difference? Probably not.
James
The first two seasons of the Mandalorian were flawed, but pretty entertaining overall. The end of my interest in it came when they undid the ending of season 2 and brought Grogu back, presumably because some corporate bigwig said they had to bring him back due to his popularity and marketability.
Yes, Andor is excellent, but Disney Plus is expensive and one really good show isn't enough to make me keep it. I might temporarily resubscribe when the second season comes out, but nothing else in the pipeline interests me.
True on all counts.
I’ve also noticed that people who step away from that broad-but-intense focus and instead sample offerings that look interesting tend to have healthier, happier relations with the franchise. That’s not only me but also my compatriots in my little section of the fan community.
Media literacy helps with that too, especially understanding and accepting the tradeoffs that come with artists being granted access to big capital. I bet dissatisfied fans would be happier channeling their pent up energy into some form of genuine creativity and getting a look under the hood of the machine that way.
I get why some people would think that way, but that's not really me. When I am interested in something, I have a strong tendency to go all-in, whether it's every single expansion for a board game or every story in a particular fictional world.
Well, rather than being miserable about it, I have decided to get my hands on and read/reread all the Legends content I can. So much of what I read back in the day was borrowed from libraries that I don't actually own that much of it, and it's dawning on me lately as I research wookiepedia how much there is that I haven't even read yet, so I'm happy there's plenty of stuff to discover in Legends that will be new to me. It's going to be a fun adventure in collecting, and Legends can thereafter be "my" Star Wars. I just hope that when I reread the books that I have read decades ago, they live up to my memories of them.
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I think I must not have seen RoS yet when this thread started and didn't want any spoilers, so I’m glad it got resurrected. Did someone use the Force to bring it back? Controversial!
I enjoyed the movie well enough as a movie in its own right. But I don’t really like the way it wrapped up the trilogy and supposedly the entire Skywalker saga. The entire sequel trilogy was like that for me — decent individual movies that don’t hang together well and feel so inconsistent from one to the next. The whole is less than the sum of its parts. Not great.
Generally though, I’m a fan of anything Star Wars and am relatively easy to please. I’ve watched all the Disney shows — all episodes of each season. I really enjoyed the Mandalorian. Book of Boba Fett was disappointing, but I watched the whole thing. I liked Kenobi better than some people I know, but it definitely didn’t live up to my hopes. Andor was fantastic. I really liked it. I’m a big fan of Rogue One, so I’m glad Andor did not disappoint. I like Ahsoka a lot. I’m sure I’ll keep watching as they crank these things out.
I enjoyed the movie well enough as a movie in its own right. But I don’t really like the way it wrapped up the trilogy and supposedly the entire Skywalker saga. The entire sequel trilogy was like that for me — decent individual movies that don’t hang together well and feel so inconsistent from one to the next. The whole is less than the sum of its parts. Not great.
Generally though, I’m a fan of anything Star Wars and am relatively easy to please. I’ve watched all the Disney shows — all episodes of each season. I really enjoyed the Mandalorian. Book of Boba Fett was disappointing, but I watched the whole thing. I liked Kenobi better than some people I know, but it definitely didn’t live up to my hopes. Andor was fantastic. I really liked it. I’m a big fan of Rogue One, so I’m glad Andor did not disappoint. I like Ahsoka a lot. I’m sure I’ll keep watching as they crank these things out.
I can say that I did not dislike any of the movies. Some were "less" good, but to me, none were terrible.
