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Gary Byrum

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There's generally 2 types of build threads here. 1; the kind that are "build and post" as you go. 2; A build thread that was constructed from the start to finish, then posted. It's not hard to tell the difference. Usually the "build and post" threads can tend to take a lot of time. The ones that are constructed before posting have a little more instant gratification. What's your choice?
 
I try to make mine "build and post". I like for people to weigh in on techniques so I can change them if I use them later in the build.

Alex
 
When I get to the point of doing my first major build, I will probably do a "build and post," as I will need all the help and advice I will be able to get.
 
Both of you have good points. I on the other hand, know what I need to do or I wouldn't be doing a build thread at all.
 
I like to build and post ,but to tell the truth ,it can be a PITA and cause for a lot of down time ,probably why I only post my scratch builds.

Right now I`m almost finished a PML AMRAAM 4 kit and midway through a Madcow 4" FG BlackBrant II and starting a PML 4" Pterotachtyl kit and just finished a Madcow 2.6" FG Nike Smoke.

Those you won`t see builds of.


Cheers

Paul t
 
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It's not gonna be your average run of the mill builds either.
Well, I would expect not.
Build threads...anything over 6 months is getting old.
You get into a 8-12 month build thread...Im ready to pull the trigger......
 
I do a bit of both. I accumulate enough images to start a build thread, post it and then build and post.
 
I'll do either one. I don't post every build, but I do document and photograph each one. If someone's interested I go back and post the build.
 
Like most others so far, I voted for post as you go. However, I don't look at it as an either-or... for me it's more of a spectrum/continuum. I tend to post in chunks rather than step-by-step, because the effort of transferring photos, shrinking them for web use (FastStone photo resizer rules!), and writing things up is substantial. Also, the mood I'm in and environment around me matters. There are blocks of time I'd rather be building. There are blocks of time I'd rather be documenting, perhaps while keeping an eye on the kids or whatever.

So, I've done both styles, but gravitate toward a "punctuated build as you go" style.
 
Whether I'm posting it, or I'm reading it, I think I prefer the pre-constructed build threads.

Although the "post as you go" threads sometime provide some interesting new build information, IMHO too often they spend a lot of time on steps that are of little interest to me as a reader. For example, if I were posting a build of an original design, as a reader, would you really care how I decided what my fin shape would be? I tend to think that if you were actually interested in building my design, you would only be interested in the final fin pattern, right?

The only reason I would do a post as you go thread would be if I were the very first person to build a brand new kit, because I know that people would really like to see how the new kit goes together. But the chances of me being the first, are pretty slim.

Therefore, any thread I would post would almost certainly be an original design. Since with an original design I may be deciding things as I go along, I would rather not waste people's time with false starts and mistakes. So if I take all the pics as I build and only post the ones that are pertinent to the final product. And in addition, if I am really going outside the box with my design, I want to make sure it is a reliable flyer before I commit to an online audience.
 
Whether I'm posting it, or I'm reading it, I think I prefer the pre-constructed build threads.

For example, if I were posting a build of an original design, as a reader, would you really care how I decided what my fin shape would be?

Up to your old tricks again, eh?

Your suggesting you don't care, yet here you are commenting on the subject matter after you've read the posts.

Don't like the style? Then don't read the thread.
 
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Well, I like build threads in any case.

Having done a couple, I understand it is at times a distraction/diversion to document every step with pics as you go along -- sometimes you get more involved with actually building the rocket than doing the documentation.
 
It's all good, I'm just happy there are folks who enjoy sharing their builds with us lazy slobs. Like LW Bercini, I don't necessarily need to know all of the minutia of what goes into the decision making processes but I understand that what may seem trivial to me might be an interesting point to others.

Thanks to all of you who share your builds, whether they be a one page 3fnc kit build or a complicated scratch build that goes on and on.
 
I guess it depends on the subject for me. While I PREFER the pre-constructed build threads, if you have a complex, original and complicated build, I view it like a good TV series where I am excited to see the next post with pictures. Hornet Driver, Sodmeister, JAL with his lander and others have the ability to pull off these types of builds. Scigs30 and Jeffyjeep are great craftsman and simply document their build threads, but they are GREAT proven builders and it is a pleasure to see their work, even if it takes a couple of months. Like Scotty Dog and LW Bercini have said, the 6+ month long, off topic, post count seeking build threads on say a 2 X upscale Estes skill level 1 kit usually do nothing for me at all. Most of us here do not need TOO much detail on how to build an engine mount. They are especially irritating if I was particularly interested in the topic and then just see pictures reposted and goofy off topic pictures used to reply to comments. I hate seeing something like "3 X Estes Scrambler Cluster Build"!!! Then you click on it and its a rough rocsim file, then a month or two later it is just adjusting the rocsim file, discussing materials and talking about how it should be built. I'm not saying that they don't have a place here, but I am just answering the original question asking what I like in a build thread.
 
I enjoy any build thread. That said I tend to post "build as you go" since most of my stuff is some level of scratch build or modified kit build and it gives time for others to comment about or correct things I try. Group input can be a good thing. Also I tend to change things mid stream sometimes--you know---this did'nt work--I'll try this instead. Build as you go just lends itself better for my purposes.--H
 
I like all build threads, whether pre-baked, incremental, even incomplete. Doing a complete treatment of a complex model is a PITA (voice of experience) so I appreciate any and all efforts. I've learned a huge amount about techniques over the couple of years I've been on this board...+1 to anybody who contributes.
 
It's funny that this got posted, I was wondering the same thing while getting ready to do a build of a fictional fighter jet rocket. One of my Rockjet designs. I prefer a complete build, start to finish.
 
Whether I'm posting it, or I'm reading it, I think I prefer the pre-constructed build threads.

Although the "post as you go" threads sometime provide some interesting new build information, IMHO too often they spend a lot of time on steps that are of little interest to me as a reader. For example, if I were posting a build of an original design, as a reader, would you really care how I decided what my fin shape would be? I tend to think that if you were actually interested in building my design, you would only be interested in the final fin pattern, right?

...Snippy snippy...

Since with an original design I may be deciding things as I go along, I would rather not waste people's time with false starts and mistakes. So if I take all the pics as I build and only post the ones that are pertinent to the final product. And in addition, if I am really going outside the box with my design, I want to make sure it is a reliable flyer before I commit to an online audience.

I don't think there's a right or wrong, and I appreciate this point of view. However, let me offer a different viewpoint to some of the comments above.

I joined TRF a bit more than 3 years ago, I think, and have been voraciously reading up on all things LPR and some things MPR. Build threads were an invaluable resource early on and continue to be one of my favorite features of the forum. However, for me, a lot of the interest isn't just the "what" and the "how" but rather the "why." I greatly enjoy reading as people debate "this way or that way, because of...". And, if someone makes a mistake and posts about it, I learn HUGELY from it. So, if I make a mistake in a build, and have to correct it, I usually post what lead to the problem, the impact of the problem, and the resolution of the problem. I really like learning from other people's logic, in design and fixing problems. And there have been times when people have offered good advice when I was debating which route to take, which helped me improve the final model.

Also, I assume I'll have a readership that is a mix of newby, experienced, and expert folks. The expert folks probably skip through most of my threads because there is probably relatively little to learn. They might go straight to the final product, and offer congratulations, condolences, or sage advice, always appreciated. Others earlier on the learning curve may be interested in how I [insert trivial step here].

I don't really care how fast or slow a build goes... or whether there's some interesting commentary or science fiction along with the build. Individual character is amusing to me in these threads, and since I'm not on some schedule to "get through" a thread, I'm content to take "all at once" threads at my own pace, or patiently wait on an extended build.

This is just how I see it, though I definitely agree with the others who commented on their appreciation for all who take the trouble to post. Those efforts are a big part of the community spirit that makes TRF great.

Marc
 
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I don't think there's a right or wrong, and I appreciate this point of view. However, let me offer a different viewpoint to some of the comments above. Marc

Marc,

Once again, it appears I have gone with the less popular point of view. No matter. I have on my big boy underwear today and am fully capable of being in this position. Just remember I started my statements with: "I think I prefer..." rather than "This what people ought to do..." (In a forum like this, I think the latter phrase is seldom apropos)

As you say, there is no right or wrong, there is only preference. Your preference/viewpoint is as valid for you as my preference/viewpoint is for me. Putting a different twist on an old expression: Vive la difference!

Cheers,

Lawrence
 
And, if someone makes a mistake and posts about it, I learn HUGELY from it. So, if I make a mistake in a build, and have to correct it, I usually post what lead to the problem, the impact of the problem, and the resolution of the problem. I really like learning from other people's logic, in design and fixing problems. Marc

This part of your post is most interesting to me in this thread because even though I tend to lean more to a pre constructed thread, I usually include the errors or boo boo's I made along the way and what I did to correct them. People will still weigh in with opinions and 'better late than never' suggestions.
 
I enjoy both and will post both.

If I'm building a small/simple rocket - I'll probably end up posting everything once I'm done. If it's a larger or more complex rocket, I will post as I go.

Second to this - I will put photos into the post build but I won't publish the full-size photos to Flickr until I have finished in order to keep all the photos together.

I really like the opportunity to take away ideas from suggestions and modify my build. My current build of the upscale Patrol Cruiser Excalibur has had some build changes due to comments. And for those following - yes, I will eventually finish!!

Krusty
 
I knew there would be a reason to make this a multiple choice thread. I too have done threads that are post as you go but one area I ran into with my Madcow Cricket was weather. This delayed my thread for months. This was more about finishing and painting than a build thread. In fact it took 8 months from a finished build to flying time. I was a little concerned that the interest in the thread might wear off until I posted the flight. This started another page on the thread. The other was the up scale Gyroc which WAS a build and post as you go. The build thread I did in Chuck Haislips contest with an up scale Starship Excalibur was pre constructed because I already had the pics. So I have done both as well. I like the pre constructed build a little better in that I can edit really unnecessary overkill or too much useless info. I'll take a photo of the phase I'm in and then white about what I did. This includes mistakes made along the way. Then I type everything in WORD for each posting where I can copy and paste the text in the thread. This is comfortable to me because for the most part because I already know exactly what I'm going to do to build the rocket before hand and it provides that instant gratification I mentioned in the beginning.
 
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