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Had no clue what to do there (still don't) .
begs the question, on a true permanently spacebound aircraft (never lands on a surface nor enters atmosphere) is there any need for ANYTHING written on the outside at all? Exception might be markers for maintenance or ID for hatches and ports. But why logos or other stuff?

Recognition? Strongly suspect that “friend or foe” determinations in a space faring civilization would be made far beyond visual range, fairly safe to assume that by the time you’d get close enough for visual determination you’d be blaster dust if the ship was of unfriendly persuasion.

Ships that flew in groups MIGHT have ID numbers on them, but again I’d suspect that guidance and navigation flying, particularly at interplanetary (or greater) speeds would be under electromagnetic control.

I’ve always thought the Space 1999 Eagle was conceptually advanced, it had no aerodynamic surfaces and little if any decorative stuff.

Edit: on review, the nose shape is somewhat aerodynamic, a Bus or Dump Truck shaped forward end would be more utilitarian.


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begs the question, on a true permanently spacebound aircraft (never lands on a surface nor enters atmosphere) is there any need for ANYTHING written on the outside at all? Exception might be markers for maintenance or ID for hatches and ports. But why logos or other stuff?
Pride. Tradition.

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I’ve always thought the Space 1999 Eagle was conceptually advanced, it had no aerodynamic surfaces and little if any decorative stuff.
Edit: on review, the nose shape is somewhat aerodynamic, a Bus or Dump Truck shaped forward end would be more utilitarian.
The Space 1999 'Eagle' was a brilliant deep-space design (one of the reasons it endures to this day), being essentially a ladder frame which you can bolt anything. Completely modular and very utilitarian. The nose section looks like it could be an emergency re-entry shape. I mean, if I were flying an Eagle in LEO, and suffered a catastrophic failure, seems pretty straightforward to hit the "eject" button, have the nose section pop off, and using some roll control jets, set myself up for a descent into the closest convenient gravity well.

The only "decorative" Eagles were the "emergency/rescue" passenger modules which were painted with Red Stripes -- but those were the center modules only.
 
begs the question, on a true permanently spacebound aircraft (never lands on a surface nor enters atmosphere) is there any need for ANYTHING written on the outside at all? Exception might be markers for maintenance or ID for hatches and ports. But why logos or other stuff?
Interestingly, in Star Wars the rebel ships are all kinds of decorated, while the imperial ships are completely devoid of decoration. There may be an exception but I can't think of any. The Millenium Falcon, belonging to neither category, has just a few small bits of color but that's it.
 
. The nose section looks like it could be an emergency re-entry shape. I mean, if I were flying an Eagle in LEO, and suffered a catastrophic failure, seems pretty straightforward to hit the "eject" button, have the nose section pop off, and using some roll control jets, set myself up for a descent into the closest convenient gravity well.

Initially I would buy that, but on consideration, to my knowledge all re-entry vehicles (in current use) come in tail end (or bottom side, I think the Shuttle predominantly “pancaked”) first. I remember the most recent successful Mars landing with Perseverance and Ingenuity had a heat shield and came in tail first.

OTOH, Hollywood makes movies and we make Sport Rockets in a more “Fantasy-Style.” The Eagle and Stanley Kubrick’s Discovery One (with David Bowman and Hal 9000 [including the most haunting rendition of “Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer, do…” ever recorded) were quite utilitarian but they did look good. They did lack the swash buckling flair of the X-Wing and the Colonial Viper.

So realistic may be a bit “boring” to the general public.

Regarding alien spacecraft, I found the Formics from the Ender’s Game series to have an interesting and in some ways very plausible completely alien communication method. They communicated “mind to mind”, and they had no written, spoken, or otherwise visible or audible language. Their ships not only had no writing, their controls had no labelling.

If aliens DID have a visualizable communication method, it may not be right to left, left to right, top to bottom, or even linear at all. It is also possible even IF visual it may not be in our preferred light spectrum.

For that matter I recently saw an article on CURRENT space vehicle design that advocated doing away with transparent viewing ports. Vision is rarely needed, and closed circuit television (or equivalent) is likely cheaper and safer than port windows. It’s part of what I think would make submarine duty extremely mentally taxing— no windows (all USN subs now are nuclear, per one commander typical duration
“Knight concludes;
‘So, I would say 120 days max. Or 5 days after the coffee ran out.’”)

So even the cockpit ports are something more stylized than realistic. In fact, that’s probably going to be a potential reversal of design.

For fighter plans, the ability to see behind you for an enemy on your tail (so called, “check your six”) was big deal. It’s one of the things that made the F107 bad and F16 good
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The $400,000 F35 helmet has the swash to allow the pilot to effectively “see through” the jet in all directions, so I wonder whether future jets may reduce the canopy “Bubble” in favor of improved cockpit armor coverage and or aerodynamics.

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Anyhoo, hats off to another iconic design, Neil!
 
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FIN

I have more pictures but these are enough for now (they take some time to prepare). This build came out pretty well, and certainly required me to do some new things that I hadn't done before (always a great feature). Also feels good to get this one out of my system, given how long ago that the original version was conceived. I guess I have to think about what to build next... no clue yet.

Anyway:
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That looks great! Now that it is together, I can't imagine it with any other ball design. Did you do your usual coat of Future?
 
That looks great! Now that it is together, I can't imagine it with any other ball design.
I think the red and white one that @NTP2 made would have looked good too. I got spooked by the eye-ness of it, but it would have worked. What *did* work is that the neutral paint of the rest of the rocket definitely allows the ball to show prominently.
Did you do your usual coat of Future?
Thank you for reminding me.

I applied Future only to the black (body + nose). I left the ball and the fins alone (you can see that there is no shine off the decals on the fins). Kind of a weird mix but it worked well enough here. I can go into further detail on request.

Looks gorgeous Neil. Absolutely great lighting for those beauty shots.
Thanks, but it's because I cheated. I took the pictures and then removed the background in a photo editor, then put it on a white background with a diffuse drop-shadow. The rocket itself is as-photographed. I landed on this approach several rockets ago. Takes some extra work but IMHO worth it.

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Oh, it's very metallic. It's just a flake metallic that produce more diffuse reflections, and as far as I can tell doesn't fingerprint at all. It's a bit tricky to apply but the results are very good.
Beware-I found that un clear coated metallic took permanent fingerprints if I had sunscreen residue on my hands.
 
Beware-I found that un clear coated metallic took permanent fingerprints if I had sunscreen residue on my hands.
Noted. If I get a chance maybe I'll Future it all. The problem is those danged laser-printed decals. The black areas look splotchy until you've applied many coats. In the short term I probably just need to be careful with handling.
 
Yeah, it flew today on a D12-3, everything was nominal. Waggled just a bit at the beginning and then straightened out perfectly.

Recovered in perfect condition.

I think @les got a decent pic or two, one he sends them to me I’ll post (or he can post if he likes).
 
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I think @les got a decent pic or two, one he sends them to me I’ll post (or he can post if he likes).

I neglected to bring the cable to transfer data from my camera, so it will need to wait until I get back from LDRS
 
Zylaxus takes it place on the rocket wall:
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Frankly, I think it deserves a better spot, but for now I'm happy enough that I can get it on there at all. The vertical fin fits exactly in the gap between the two pegboards, so it's not sticking out a mile from the wall.

It is probably time for a major reorganization of the wall... packing is good but not optimal, and it's also time to demote some rockets to storage, much as I will hate to do that (and I have no idea which ones at the moment). An even better idea would be to give some of my less-cherished models away, but it really is going to be difficult to part with a scratch build.

My biggest thought, in my post-LDRS euphoria, is that most of these rockets are due to fly again; many have seen only one or two flights and they deserve more. I hope I get a chance sooner rather than later. Maybe this coming year I'll try to focus on flying moreso than building.*











*just kidding
 
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