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  1. Feb 11, 2019 at 6:04 PM #31

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    It's not just law suits, it's the unintended consequence of the insurance industry. Follow:
    • If you cause me material harm, through action or negligent inaction, I can expect you to "make me whole" and use the courts to enforce that expectation. Reasonable.
    • You would be wise to carry liability insurance so that such a situation does not ruin you financially.
    • Since you might be unable to make me whole without said insurance, in some situations (such as while driving a car or operating many sorts of businesses) you are required to carry liability insurance in order to assure my ability to recover reasonable and legitimate damages. Seems reasonable, but...
    • The insurance company now has you over a barrel. They sell a product that you are required to buy, no matter how costly or how many stupid behaviors they impose on you in order to reduce potential payouts.
    I was in a hotel swimming pool once - many years ago - and we were all required to get out when there was any detectable thunder. The thing is, it was an indoor pool, under a heavy steel framed glass dome. We were in a Faraday cage, and quite safe. And it was not the hotel that was afraid of being sued, it was the hotel's insurance company that imposed this stupidity. The hotel would be willing to take the less-than-one-in-a-million risk in order to avoid annoying their customers. But the hotel's guests are not the insurance company's customers so inconveniencing us wasn't their problem; they required the hotel to impose this stupidity or face having their coverage dropped or premium outrageously increased.

    So, part of it is that, now and then, a court awards someone damages for what was really the fault of their own idiocy. And sometimes the win is only partial because the harm was only partially the idiot's own fault*. (We hear about those; the thousands more that don't win money don't get on the news.) But then the insurance companies come in and require the businesses to cover their products with warnings not to be this kind of idiot or that kind of idiot or any other kind of idiot that ever won any money.

    * The famous McDonald's hot coffee suit, for example, was only partly a matter of the customer's stupidity. It was also that case that the coffee was excessively hot and McDonald's had been warned repeatedly by customers that the coffee was burning them, though usually in more reasonable places like lips and tongues. So when their continued failure to fix the situation contributed (along with her own stupid actions) to a customer's serious burns they were found partially liable for the damage. (The famous $2M award was reduced on appeal because McDonald's's liability was only partial.)

    OK, all that said, McDonald's responded by backing off the dangerously high temperature of their coffee. But I will bet you dollars to doughnuts that it was the insurance company that required McDonald's to write "Caution: Hot" on a cup of hot coffee.
     
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  2. Feb 11, 2019 at 6:09 PM #32

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    I've never understood the logic behind selling coffee that needs to sit and cool for 20 minutes before you can even sip it.
     
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    Me neither! Kopi Luwak is coffee made from coffee that is predigested by monkeys and retrieved after it passed through the GI tract. Does anybody wonder what the first person thought when the brewed and drank the first cup? I don't get it. I have never thought it was a good idea to dig around in a pile of poo and eat partially digested items.
     
  4. Feb 11, 2019 at 6:39 PM #34

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    A guy here in the office was telling me about that recently. I get that it's probably good (I'm not a coffee drinker but people eat really weird stuff all the time), but apart from wondering what the first person thought when he discovered it, I also wonder how he decided to tell someone else about it.

    "Dude, this coffee is the BEST!! But before you drink any there's a story I have to tell you..."
     
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  5. Feb 11, 2019 at 6:56 PM #35

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    Technically the asian palm civet is a civet not a monkey, and I think they're closer related to cats.

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    Of course you can. At least once.
     
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  8. Feb 11, 2019 at 10:30 PM #38

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    Kopi Luwak coffee is very expensive, so to keep it as fresh as possible, it’s sold in a sealed, airtight container with an oxygen absorber packet. So what kind of world is it where the oxygen absorber packet has a warning not to eat it, but a package of weasel turds just says “Enjoy!”
     
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    there are some who used to stop for a hot beverage to fill their vacuum flasks, one drawback of the stainless flasks is that one either needs to prewarm them or start with very hot liquid. now a days travelers are pretty much out of luck. not to mention that it is harder to brew a hot cuppa tea with lukewarm water.
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  10. Feb 12, 2019 at 1:07 AM #40

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    Oh, well done sir, bringing it back around like that. But it is not weasel turds. It's not really cat turds either, but they are somewhat closer to cats, as they come from the feliform branch or the carnivora, whereas weasels are from the caniform branch. (Thank you, Wikipedia.)
     
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  11. Feb 12, 2019 at 1:33 AM #41

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    Thanks for looking that up. I feel strongly that when you are picking your coffee beans out of turds, it's really important to understand what kind of turd it is!
     
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    Truer words were never spoken.
     
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    Don't worry, I'm sure all of the turd is washed away before it's packaged, sold or ground
     
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    Oh man, I'm so glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read this or it might have ended up across the room! Bahahahahaha!
     
  15. Feb 12, 2019 at 3:42 AM #45

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    Some people will sell anything to make a buck...
     
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    Make a buck, make some doe, whatever. Maybe we should stop fawning over civet turd coffee.
     
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    I imagine the quality of the Luwak coffee depends a lot on what else you are feeding the cat. If you are feeding it chocolate and hazelnuts along with the coffee beans, it probably tastes better than if you are feeding it a can of Mariners Catch.
     
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    I *think* that the logic is that a lot of people buy coffee on the way to work but won't get to drink it until after they get there. By making it too hot to drink, it's (just like goldilock's bears) "just right" when you sit down at your desk at work.

    That said, why is it that everyone's coffee is too hot but half the time I can't get tea water hot enough to brew anything from the teabag?
     
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    Ya gotta holla at Murphy bout dat.
     
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    Oh, deer.:rolleyes:
     
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    McDonslds serves their coffee boiling hot to sterilize the Luwak poop residue.
     
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    I don't often drink coffee, but when I do I prefer it merely "warm-kind of hot" versus "surface of the sun hot." I don't want to wait two hours for it to cool enough to take a sip. Sometimes I'll drop ice in it so I can manage to consume it.

    I suspect that modern advances in mug insulation will make "nuclear-hot" coffee a thing of the past. A Yeti can keep merely "modestly hot" coffee palatable all day long.
     
  23. Feb 13, 2019 at 5:30 AM #53

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    Back when I was in my early 20's I use to work at this pool room / arcade. One of the items people use to buy were jerky strips. The people that gave me a hard time and who were real a$$ holes got "Jerky Treats" yes the same ones you would feed your dog. They didn't seem to mind.
     
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    There are a lot of people who like a whole lot of milk in their coffee. Like, when they say "half-and-half" they're talking about the coffee to milk ratio. If the coffee starts out at 200° then the resulting drink is still warm. At least, that's what I've understood the reason to be; I could easily be wrong.
     
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    As a kid, my brother and I would love to drink half-and-half-and-half on Saturday mornings while watching cartoons. We had tall glass tumblers and we had to start with the cold milk to keep the glass from cracking. But it was half milk, half coffee, and half sugar. Lots of sugar. It was delicious and the only way I could drink coffee.

    I'm 50 years old now and never learned to enjoy drinking regular coffee but I tried that mess a few years ago and it was gross too.

    But I'm sure it's still better than monkey poop coffee.
     
  26. Feb 13, 2019 at 2:44 PM #56

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    I drink Death Wish coffee black. I do not like a single additive. I prefer it from French Press, but usually have it from a Keurig.

    STARBUCKS is horrid.
     
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    I agree starbucks coffee is burnt and taste like junk. Anyway about the temperature of cofeee its hot because the optimal brewing temperature is somewhere around 193 degrees F. Most people can drink coffee at a teperature of 120-130 degrees F. I had this discussio. With other in my business law class. I have tested my coffee with a tracebale thermometer multiple times over that discussion week and fround 130-120 the sweet spot for me. I like hot coffee and dispise and ditest cold coffee. Also most coffee drinkers I have met,know, or interacted with all add something to their coffee which lowers the temperature. This comes from knowledge working at a coffee shop for about 2ish years as well.

    Black unadualtered coffee is the best coffee.
    Also try true kona coffee if you get a chance. Most stuff that says kona is not and might only have a single kona bean in it just to say thats what it is.

    Live and let fly.
     
  28. Feb 13, 2019 at 3:58 PM #58

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    I addressed the coffee temp problem years ago...
    In my office this morning... :)
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    I’m not a coffee drinker, but I’m liking the Sig box.
     
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