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I don't think you would see an all in, launch them all war. A few would be enough to stop whatever they were used for. I also think we are already having WW3. It's an us against them already. I think Putin is like the boy crying wolf. He has brought up his nukes enough times that nobody is listening any more. He has to know that if he uses one in Ukraine that the full weight of NATO and the rest of the world would bring the Russian Federation to an end.
 
I also think we are already having WW3. It's an us against them already. I think Putin is like the boy crying wolf. He has brought up his nukes enough times that nobody is listening any more. He has to know that if he uses one in Ukraine that the full weight of NATO and the rest of the world would bring the Russian Federation to an end.
I agree. And now there is a new twist of the noose around our necks. Russia and Estonia have expelled each others ambassadors. There is a strong possibility that Russia is preparing to attack Estonia, which is comparably defenseless. Poland may respond by attacking Kaliningrad, and how NATO might or might not react could be worrisome indeed. Theater nukes I believe are in the mix for this.
 
I agree. And now there is a new twist of the noose around our necks. Russia and Estonia have expelled each others ambassadors. There is a strong possibility that Russia is preparing to attack Estonia, which is comparably defenseless. Poland may respond by attacking Kaliningrad, and how NATO might or might not react could be worrisome indeed. Theater nukes I believe are in the mix for this.
Estonia is a NATO member. If Russia invades, they will be starting a land, air, and sea war with NATO. Please keep in mind that this war would be Russia's choice. Nobody is holding a gun to Putin's head and forcing him to invade Estonia.

Is there any intelligence indicating that there is a Russian buildup of forces on Estonia's border? If not, why do you think this diplomatic spat will lead to an invasion? Bonus question: what percentage of diplomats-expelled incidents result in shooting wars? [hint: not very many]
 
Latvia has downgraded its diplomatic relations with Russia as well, to demonstrate support for Estonia.
Russia just keeps stepping in it.
No independent nation can afford to let Russia dominate it, but that’s what Russia demands.
 
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Putin (Ares) would be eliminated by U.S. personnel (fictional enactment).
 
Latvia has downgraded its diplomatic relations with Russia as well, to demonstrate support for Estonia.
Russia just keeps stepping in it.
No independent nation can afford to let Russia dominate it, but that’s what Russia demands.

There are no winners at war, but Putin is clearly a loser.
 
I agree. And now there is a new twist of the noose around our necks. Russia and Estonia have expelled each others ambassadors. There is a strong possibility that Russia is preparing to attack Estonia, which is comparably defenseless. Poland may respond by attacking Kaliningrad, and how NATO might or might not react could be worrisome indeed. Theater nukes I believe are in the mix for this.
I think theres a huge difference between expelling ambassadors and war. Weve not seen any evidence of mobilisations, ultimatums or any of the usual diplomatic steps which lead towards war. I can’t see Putin embarking on a general war with NATO while his forces are spread so thin - it would be suicidal.
Earlier this week the BBC reported some threatened military activity in N Europe. Russia was saying that it would strengthen its forces on the Finnish border by a division if Finland joins NATO. This is probably a bluff as (a) Russia probably can’t find a spare division to move and (b) if you look at the size of the Finnish army one division would probably get swatted aside in any conflict.
i have to say that I completely disagree with the premise that this is WW3. At the moment we have a conflict restricted to the geographic area of one country. The fighting has not spread, and is unlikely to in current circumstances. It does not involve direct fighting between NATO and Russian forces. Ignoring the usual rhetoric and propaganda, it currently shows no signs of spreading or escalating into a world war.
 
I think theres a huge difference between expelling ambassadors and war. Weve not seen any evidence of mobilisations, ultimatums or any of the usual diplomatic steps which lead towards war. I can’t see Putin embarking on a general war with NATO while his forces are spread so thin - it would be suicidal.
Earlier this week the BBC reported some threatened military activity in N Europe. Russia was saying that it would strengthen its forces on the Finnish border by a division if Finland joins NATO. This is probably a bluff as (a) Russia probably can’t find a spare division to move and (b) if you look at the size of the Finnish army one division would probably get swatted aside in any conflict.
i have to say that I completely disagree with the premise that this is WW3. At the moment we have a conflict restricted to the geographic area of one country. The fighting has not spread, and is unlikely to in current circumstances. It does not involve direct fighting between NATO and Russian forces. Ignoring the usual rhetoric and propaganda, it currently shows no signs of spreading or escalating into a world war.
I'm over-the-moon delighted to receive your robust assurances and those of the BBC that there is no trouble afoot. But somebody, maybe you or the BBC, should tell the Russian ambassador to shut his trap. He has apparently declared war on NATO.

From https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...-a-real-war-with-the-west-over-ukraine-lavrov

Russia’s top diplomat on Monday said the invasion of Ukraine no longer represents a hybrid conflict but rather a “real” war between Russia and the West – a troubling escalation in rhetoric that aligns with growing concerns that Moscow is preparing to lash out at new NATO support for Kyiv.

“When we talk about what is happening in Ukraine, we are talking about the fact that this is no longer a hybrid war but a real one, which the West has been preparing for a long time against Russia,” Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said during a visit to South Africa, historically an ally of the Soviet Union and a contemporary Russian economic partner.

The combative assertion serves as the latest escalation in Russia’s public statements about its war in Ukraine – and the consequences for its recent string of embarrassing battlefield failures and blunders. A top Putin ally said two weeks ago that Russia had extended its war in Ukraine to NATO as well, not just forces loyal to the government in Kyiv.


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In my own extremely humble opinion, Russia has 100% ruled out all possibility to a negotiated end to this "hybrid" (proxy) war, and intend to end the war militarily on its own terms. "Good luck with that", as Jordan Peterson might say. At some point, they will involve Belarus, Poland, Estonia, Finland, etc. in the conflagration. As Russia is now firmly allied with China as well as doing profitable business with India, money is of little concern to them, as the sanctions have obviously failed in their intent. Sanctions having failed, NATO is now left with the responsibility to rescue its project/client from failure and right the situation. Failure on the battlefield cannot be tolerated. But again, IMHO, NATO is not currently well led, organized or funded, let alone alone of a common mind about what to do. It has internal stresses, at the very least. When the fun goes out of the fun and games, do we reach for the reset button? And do we now ignore the role of China in all this? Should the US cease preparations to confront China over Taiwan, and instead devote our lives, fortunes and honor to war in Eastern Europe?
 
I'm over-the-moon delighted to receive your robust assurances and those of the BBC that there is no trouble afoot. But somebody, maybe you or the BBC, should tell the Russian ambassador to shut his trap. He has apparently declared war on NATO.

From https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...-a-real-war-with-the-west-over-ukraine-lavrov




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In my own extremely humble opinion, Russia has 100% ruled out all possibility to a negotiated end to this "hybrid" (proxy) war, and intend to end the war militarily on its own terms. "Good luck with that", as Jordan Peterson might say. At some point, they will involve Belarus, Poland, Estonia, Finland, etc. in the conflagration. As Russia is now firmly allied with China as well as doing profitable business with India, money is of little concern to them, as the sanctions have obviously failed in their intent. Sanctions having failed, NATO is now left with the responsibility to rescue its project/client from failure and right the situation. Failure on the battlefield cannot be tolerated. But again, IMHO, NATO is not currently well led, organized or funded, let alone alone of a common mind about what to do. It has internal stresses, at the very least. When the fun goes out of the fun and games, do we reach for the reset button? And do we now ignore the role of China in all this? Should the US cease preparations to confront China over Taiwan, and instead devote our lives, fortunes and honor to war in Eastern Europe?
In order:
No
No
Definitely not.
 
I'm over-the-moon delighted to receive your robust assurances and those of the BBC that there is no trouble afoot. But somebody, maybe you or the BBC, should tell the Russian ambassador to shut his trap. He has apparently declared war on NATO.

From https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...-a-real-war-with-the-west-over-ukraine-lavrov
That statement is functionally identical to statements made by Russians for the entirety of the conflict (if not before). At no point along the way has this escalated to a wider war. The obvious conclusion is that Russia is beating its chest with no intention (or and likely no ability) to follow through. At first, the chest-beating had some effect on Western governments. As time went on, it's clear that it's a boy crying wolf.
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In my own extremely humble opinion, Russia has 100% ruled out all possibility to a negotiated end to this "hybrid" (proxy) war, and intend to end the war militarily on its own terms. "Good luck with that", as Jordan Peterson might say.
Absolutely, good luck with ending the war militarily on their terms. They can't even advance faster than a few meters a day on average in one sector of the front.
At some point, they will involve Belarus, Poland, Estonia, Finland, etc. in the conflagration.
Evidence? Sure, they've tried to involve Belarus in invading Ukraine, but Belarus seems to regularly come close and then back off. If they haven't done it yet, why do you think that will change?
As Russia is now firmly allied with China as well as doing profitable business with India, money is of little concern to them, as the sanctions have obviously failed in their intent.
Correction: China and India are profiting greatly from the increased trade with Russia. Russia is selling them oil at rock-bottom prices, at or near the cost of production. Russia isn't profiting greatly from that situation. "We're losing money on every barrel, but we'll make it up on volume!"
Sanctions having failed, NATO is now left with the responsibility to rescue its project/client from failure and right the situation.
Sanctions were never presented (by governments) as a means to completely end the war, certainly not in the course of 10 months. So I'm not sure why you think that they've failed. Also, I do think that it's important to save NATO's important projects from Russian aggression: rule of law, respect for human rights, and respect for (small d) democratic processes.
Failure on the battlefield cannot be tolerated. But again, IMHO, NATO is not currently well led, organized or funded, let alone alone of a common mind about what to do.
I am shocked, shocked that an organization made up of 20-some countries has differences of opinion about how to proceed! Why there is gambling going on in this casino! What evidence do you have that NATO is not well led, organized, or funded? Or is it just that the military minds at NATO are not dictating terms to the civilian governments? I see that as a feature, not a bug.
It has internal stresses, at the very least. When the fun goes out of the fun and games, do we reach for the reset button? And do we now ignore the role of China in all this? Should the US cease preparations to confront China over Taiwan, and instead devote our lives, fortunes and honor to war in Eastern Europe?
Answered by Steve above.
 
Whatever you may think of my humble observations, what do you make of the top scientists and security experts who moved the "Doomsday Clock" to the closest it's ever been to the hour of our doom? Is this real, or is it just a random narrative that we can ignore, and shouldn't discuss with our friends, family or representatives in government? If it is real, then to ignore it constitutes denial, cognitive dissonance. To hide or suppress this sort of discussion seems like fear.

https://news.yahoo.com/doomsday-clock-moves-closest-ever-154817908.htmlTop scientists and security experts moved the "Doomsday Clock" forward on Tuesday to just 90 seconds to midnight -– signaling an increased risk to humanity's survival from the nuclear shadow over the Ukraine conflict and the growing climate crisis.

The new timing of the clock set by the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists is closer to midnight than ever before.

The hands of the clock, which the Bulletin describes as a "metaphor for how close humanity is to self-annihilation," had been at 100 seconds to midnight since January 2020 -- the closest to midnight it had been in its history.

A decision to reset the hands of the symbolic timepiece is taken each year by the Bulletin's science and security board and its board of sponsors, which includes 10 Nobel laureates.


In a statement, the Bulletin said it was advancing the hands of the clock by 10 seconds this year "due largely but not exclusively to Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the increased risk of nuclear escalation."

"Russia's thinly veiled threats to use nuclear weapons remind the world that escalation of the conflict -- by accident, intention, or miscalculation -- is a terrible risk," it said. "The possibility that the conflict could spin out of anyone's control remains high."
 
Whatever you may think of my humble observations, what do you make of the top scientists and security experts who moved the "Doomsday Clock" to the closest it's ever been to the hour of our doom? Is this real, or is it just a random narrative that we can ignore, and shouldn't discuss with our friends, family or representatives in government? If it is real, then to ignore it constitutes denial, cognitive dissonance. To hide or suppress this sort of discussion seems like fear.

https://news.yahoo.com/doomsday-clock-moves-closest-ever-154817908.htmlTop scientists and security experts moved the "Doomsday Clock" forward on Tuesday to just 90 seconds to midnight -– signaling an increased risk to humanity's survival from the nuclear shadow over the Ukraine conflict and the growing climate crisis.

The new timing of the clock set by the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists is closer to midnight than ever before.

The hands of the clock, which the Bulletin describes as a "metaphor for how close humanity is to self-annihilation," had been at 100 seconds to midnight since January 2020 -- the closest to midnight it had been in its history.

A decision to reset the hands of the symbolic timepiece is taken each year by the Bulletin's science and security board and its board of sponsors, which includes 10 Nobel laureates.


In a statement, the Bulletin said it was advancing the hands of the clock by 10 seconds this year "due largely but not exclusively to Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the increased risk of nuclear escalation."

"Russia's thinly veiled threats to use nuclear weapons remind the world that escalation of the conflict -- by accident, intention, or miscalculation -- is a terrible risk," it said. "The possibility that the conflict could spin out of anyone's control remains high."
Yup, they moved it closer to midnight and in doing so they clearly blamed it on Russia. I just wonder why you don’t clearly blame Russia. You seem to think the rest of the world should acquiesce to Russia’s demands for more “Lebensraum.”
If the world doesn’t stand up to the bully, they encourage bullying.
 
To clarify my comment about this all ready WWIII. Some 30 countries, IFIRC, are helping Ukraine. That looks to me as it's us against them. The free world against Russia. China has been saying for years they will take back Taiwan, militarily if necessary. And we are building up our forces in the area. North Korea has nuclear weapons. Who knows what that loon will do. I agree that the west would prevail in a conflict. But it's still most of the world against a few. The allies against the axis of evil.. So, my own opinion.
 
Sanctions having failed,
Sanctions failed? The most significant sanctions only went into effect in the past few weeks.

Edit: One of the most damaging sanctions, the European ban on refined petroleum imports, doesn't start until Feb 5. This ban was delayed by the expected winter demand, which was much milder than expected. In anticipation, Europe bought as much as they could to build their stocks, increasing the price and temporarily benefiting Russia. The rug gets pulled out on Feb 5, with winter almost over, European stocks full, and the ban largely closing the Russian market. Europe will then have the rest of the year to find sources other than Russia.

The other recent sanction was the sea oil transport ban, which went into effect on Dec 5. This didn't have an immediate effect because a lot of oil was in the (weeks-long) sea shipping pipeline, and again buyers were stocking up at bargain prices. But now, this too will be putting a crimp in Russia's pocketbook.

Russia can send oil to China from Siberian fields via pipeline, but that's with pipelines installed by western companies that have pulled out. It's questionable how long they can run without western maintenance. (Maybe China can fix, dunno.)

Then there's their domestic aviation, which is running on the planes they stole. As they break down, I guess they can take the train across seven time zones. No one in the world is ever going to lease an aircraft to a Russian airline again.

Roscosmos might as well turn out the lights. Their engine export business is gone, as well as the French Guiana launch site. No one is ever going to contract launch services from them again, especially after the OneWeb deal and when they can get on SpaceX far cheaper. They'll be lucky if they can find the money to put up their own military satellites.

All of this is duplicated over dozens of other industries. Russia is running on empty. The crash is gonna be hard.
 
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That statement is functionally identical to statements made by Russians for the entirety of the conflict (if not before). At no point along the way has this escalated to a wider war. The obvious conclusion is that Russia is beating its chest with no intention (or and likely no ability) to follow through. At first, the chest-beating had some effect on Western governments. As time went on, it's clear that it's a boy crying wolf.

Absolutely, good luck with ending the war militarily on their terms. They can't even advance faster than a few meters a day on average in one sector of the front.

Evidence? Sure, they've tried to involve Belarus in invading Ukraine, but Belarus seems to regularly come close and then back off. If they haven't done it yet, why do you think that will change?

Correction: China and India are profiting greatly from the increased trade with Russia. Russia is selling them oil at rock-bottom prices, at or near the cost of production. Russia isn't profiting greatly from that situation. "We're losing money on every barrel, but we'll make it up on volume!"

Sanctions were never presented (by governments) as a means to completely end the war, certainly not in the course of 10 months. So I'm not sure why you think that they've failed. Also, I do think that it's important to save NATO's important projects from Russian aggression: rule of law, respect for human rights, and respect for (small d) democratic processes.

I am shocked, shocked that an organization made up of 20-some countries has differences of opinion about how to proceed! Why there is gambling going on in this casino! What evidence do you have that NATO is not well led, organized, or funded? Or is it just that the military minds at NATO are not dictating terms to the civilian governments? I see that as a feature, not a bug.

Answered by Steve above.

Well reasoned and stated. Russia will not negotiate other than to buy time. Russia must be disassembled in detail. Her nukes must be secured, removed, and destroyed. Oligarchs must be stripped of their ill-gotten wealth. Russia must never again be allowed to threaten its neighbors, the world, or the species ever again.

Best way to accomplish this task is to keep full sanctions on her and her allies. When the people get cold and hungry enough, and enough of their sons and daughters come home in pieces in bags, they will revolt... hopefully, they will "French Revolution" the ENTIRE Russian shadow aristocracy (politicians, intel establishment, oligarchs, criminal organizations.)

We should ban immigration of ANY Russian or Russian ally for 50 years. Let them fix their own dumpster fire.
In fact, we should deport as many Russians, et al. as possible.

China is watching.

North Korea is watching.

Iran is watching.

If we falter in this mission even a little bit, the CCP, that fat crazy bastard in NK, and the "wannabe world enders" in that Islamic dumpster fire will NEVER believe another thing we say or do.
 
Well reasoned and stated. Russia will not negotiate other than to buy time. Russia must be disassembled in detail. Her nukes must be secured, removed, and destroyed. Oligarchs must be stripped of their ill-gotten wealth. Russia must never again be allowed to threaten its neighbors, the world, or the species ever again.

Best way to accomplish this task is to keep full sanctions on her and her allies. When the people get cold and hungry enough, and enough of their sons and daughters come home in pieces in bags, they will revolt... hopefully, they will "French Revolution" the ENTIRE Russian shadow aristocracy (politicians, intel establishment, oligarchs, criminal organizations.)

We should ban immigration of ANY Russian or Russian ally for 50 years. Let them fix their own dumpster fire.
In fact, we should deport as many Russians, et al. as possible.

China is watching.

North Korea is watching.

Iran is watching.

If we falter in this mission even a little bit, the CCP, that fat crazy bastard in NK, and the "wannabe world enders" in that Islamic dumpster fire will NEVER believe another thing we say or do.

Oh joy of joys, the female German foreign minister announces Germany is at war with Russia. Is this exactly what is needed?
https://www.newsweek.com/germany-says-quiet-part-out-loud-about-ukraine-war-1776593
If this forum so fervently desires World War 3 with Russia, then we are definitely on the high road. Congratulations, I guess we deserve it.

From antiwar.com:
Baerbock’s remarks align with Russia’s view that it is not just fighting Ukrainian forces in the conflict but also the US and NATO. Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov made similar comments recently, saying that Ukraine is “shedding blood” for a “NATO mission.”

The idea that NATO is directly involved in the war signals Russia has the pretext to launch an attack on a NATO country in retaliation if they choose to take that step. There’s no sign that Russia is plotting to do so, but the Western powers continue to risk dangerous escalations as they continue to ramp up military support for Ukraine and as the US is discussing helping Ukraine attack Crimea.

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Above is the view from my fishing cabin on Hood Canal. In the distance is The Brothers, a mountain I climbed in my youth back in the 70's. At left center is the northernmost pier of Sub Base Kitsap, where the greatest concentration of nuclear weapons in North America is said to be stored. Shortly I will be leaving all this behind to spend time in purgatory while my soul is judged.
 
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Oh joy of joys, the female German foreign minister announces Germany is at war with Russia. Is this exactly what is needed?
https://www.newsweek.com/germany-says-quiet-part-out-loud-about-ukraine-war-1776593
If this forum so fervently desires World War 3 with Russia, then we are definitely on the high road. Congratulations, I guess we deserve it.

From antiwar.com:


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Above is the view from my fishing cabin on Hood Canal. In the distance is The Brothers, a mountain I climbed in my youth back in the 70's. At left center is the northernmost pier of Sub Base Kitsap, where the greatest concentration of nuclear weapons in North America is said to be stored. Shortly I will be leaving all this behind to spend time in purgatory while my soul is judged.
Beautiful view.
Don’t worry, nothing we say here is going to be the straw that breaks Putin’s back.

I am curious what you think we should do? Just tell Putin to take Ukraine, but please don’t use nukes on the rest of the world?
Life’s too short to live in abject fear.
 
Beautiful view.
Don’t worry, nothing we say here is going to be the straw that breaks Putin’s back.

I am curious what you think we should do? Just tell Putin to take Ukraine, but please don’t use nukes on the rest of the world?
Life’s too short to live in abject fear.
Glad you like the view. You should visit me at my fishing cabin. Maybe we have more in common than we thought?

I don't worry about WW3, or really about anything. I'm wealthy, but getting very old and weak. So I know and accept what comes. But it annoys me that there is a bandwagon/stampede to war at this time as there has been at points in the past. I blame the neocons, the corporatists, globalists and the woke, sycophantic media for fanning the flames. Only ~3% of the population (realists and libertarians) is left over to protest.

So it's too late in the game - this dance of death - to do anything different. Russia believes they are in an existential fight to the death, and do not trust a word we say. Negotiations are 100% ruled out. It will be settled on the battlefield. In the very near term, Russia will make advances, maybe retaking the Donbass. With hundreds of thousands of fresh troops, hundreds of new main battle tanks, new billions of dollars, defeat could be staved off by Ukraine. I believe there will come a point when the US has to decide between letting Ukraine die and going full out to kill Russia. I think the decision will be made within 90 days.
 
I was surprised yesterday to hear that the U.S. and Germany finally agreed to send some main battle tanks (Abrams & Leopard 2s).

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/25/europe/german-tanks-ukraine-intl/index.html
I figured Putin would surely see it as escalation or at least severe provocation.

Personally, having fought gang members, thieves and bullies all my life (and never lost ;) ) and studied WW2 when younger, I'm glad.
 
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Is there any intelligence indicating that there is a Russian buildup of forces on Estonia's border?

Yes. There was a significant troop build-up in FEB 2022 on the Lavian and Estonian border, which has continued through today. Loss of cooperation between Russia, Finland and Estonia puts Russian access to the Gulf of Finland at risk. There is significant distrust between Russian and the Baltic states resulting from the prior invasions by the Russians and Soviets.
 
Glad you like the view. You should visit me at my fishing cabin. Maybe we have more in common than we thought?

People can always find something in common. We both like rocketry and we both want peace. We just disagree on what’s necessary.
I stayed in Olympia and ate in Hoodsport for three months while converting Cushman 1 and 2 hydroelectric plants to automation. It’s a beautiful area.
 
Yes. There was a significant troop build-up in FEB 2022 on the Lavian and Estonian border, which has continued through today. Loss of cooperation between Russia, Finland and Estonia puts Russian access to the Gulf of Finland at risk. There is significant distrust between Russian and the Baltic states resulting from the prior invasions by the Russians and Soviets.

Russia (Putin and the criminals) considers the Baltics and Finland ITS territory..... just like Ukraine and anything else it wants. I would not put it past Putin to throw a few troops at another country to try and distract from Ukraine.
But let no one be deceived.... Putin will have Ukraine or die trying. He believes it belongs to Russia and wants it as a jumping off point to re-build his imaginary empire and thence spread like a cancer to the rest of the territory and resources he covets.

Russia is in a demographic debacle.... Their population is cratering. In 10-20 years they won't have enough people to challenge Sweden.
Russian leadership knows this. This is why they are trying to reassemble the USSR territories.... They want the PEOPLE.

Easiest way to end this war? Off Putin. And make some targeted strikes on a short list of criminals/oligarchs (synonyms in Russia).

Again... we SHOULD have finished this in the early 90s.
 
Newsweek and other outlets are reporting CIA director Burns made a secret offer to Russia to end the war in Ukraine so the US could focus more on fighting China. But the offer was scuppered by both Russia and Kiev.

U.S. officials were split on how to handle the Ukraine war, which started nearly a year ago.

Burns and Biden's National Security Advisor, Jake Sullivan, "wanted to end the war quickly so they could focus on China," while Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin "didn't want to let Russia get away with destroying the rule-based peace order and called for massive military support for Ukraine."

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-vladimir-putin-ukraine-territory-end-war-nzz-report-1778526
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Obviously the US administration is becoming divided and confused about what to do, and is now virtually locked in to a program which entails the Ukrainian front line collapsing, 40,000 US troops in Poland going in to rescue the situation, and a rapid escalation to a wider war, potentially WW3.
 
So the question is why did this get leaked? Leaks are not random, they are leaked for a reason. Was it to put pressure on Ukraine? on Russia? I am not sure this leak helps Ukraine. Did the Russians leak it to a German?
 
So the question is why did this get leaked? Leaks are not random, they are leaked for a reason. Was it to put pressure on Ukraine? on Russia? I am not sure this leak helps Ukraine. Did the Russians leak it to a German?
I do not know why this was leaked. Other people's motives are notoriously difficult to nail down. The obvious is that this reveals the truth to the American people and to the world at large: Ukraine is losing the battle, neither side will negotiate, the US administration is deeply befuddled, and WW3 - or at least a regional escalation involving Polish and US ground troops - looks inevitable at this moment.
 
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