What kits should Estes bring back?

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  1. Sep 28, 2018 #61

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    Here's the problem... All of the film versions of Estes' camera rockets used in house engineering and manufacture (save for the lenses, and the motor (and switch) for the Cineroc (those were sourced externally, but easily available)). The digital cameras (the AstroVision and Oracle rockets) used 3rd party camera systems that weren't so easily available, nor produced by Estes. I don't think that they sold particularly well, and due to the difficulties in updating the software, Estes dropped them. Now, with keychain cameras as readily available as they are, Estes would have to buy an awful lot of them and mark the cost up to make it profitable. However, under the previous leadership of Estes, this was too much for them to bear. Will we see a 3rd digital camera from Estes someday? I'd like to think so. But I'm not going to hold my breath.
     
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    I must say it is interesting to ponder an RTF launch set bundled with a cheap but functional and modern digital camera. Would this attract curious retail buyers?

    I think, due to volume, Estes would have a harder time selling a more "serious" camera system. But aiming at beginners, who (a) wouldn't know how to do this, and (b) might not even realize it's a thing to do could work. Maybe?
     
  3. Sep 28, 2018 #63

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    And you must be the person that keeps driving prices up on me! :p
    Actually I haven't bid on a Stealth for a couple of years. I have a few sitting around. One of these days I keep saying I'll make a fiberglass mold and start making copies but it hasn't happened yet...

    Though you do mention my other favorite OOP Estes model. I love the D-Region! Modded one to fly on a 29mm motor with dual deploy. (It was tight!) Unfortunately my dual deploy turned into ballistic recovery and it nosed in to a asphalt parking-lot, bounced about 20 feet in the air and landed next to my truck. At least I didnt' have to walk far to retrieve it...
     
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    I would like every single rocket from the beginning to be available.
    Also, parts (again) like the unique nose cones.
    And I want the EAC to come back.
    A good T-Shirt with the Iron On's is dearly missed.
    Design of the month too. Nothing like having a chance to win FREE stuff!
     
  5. Sep 28, 2018 #65

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    A good looking non working replica of the Omega/Cineroc combo can be done using the Semroc Omega kit and Boyce Aerospace Cineroc nose cone. I suppose if you were slightly ambitious you could even cobble up a working mini DV camera to go in there. I have it in my build pile.
     
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    I miss the free kits that Estes used to include with orders over a certain amount. As a kid it kept me coming back for more. My friends and I would pool orders so we could save on postage and get those free kits.
     
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    Why wait? Jimmy Z's has the plans:

    http://www.spacemodeling.org/jimz/est1994.htm

    Erockets has the laser cut fins:

    http://www.erockets.biz/semroc-laser-cut-fins-ram-jet-sheet-3-32-balsa-sem-fes-1994/

    The inlet style nose cone and break midtube make this kit intriguing. I may clone this one myself.

    PS The long ogive plastic nose cone is the one found in the NC-20 assortment pack #3161.
     
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    How about that MIRV, Saturn V, or that Star Wars X-Wing Fighter? They look like fun machines.
     
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    I miss the heck out of my X-wing. I literally flew that thing to pieces, until I couldn’t put them back together any more.
     
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    I remember when this thing flew off the shelf at my LHS at the time. It was a RED HOT item.
     
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    having built the MIRV, unless they rework it, PLEASE don’t bring it back unless you put a bigger engine mount in the booster.
     
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    Is it just me, or is that a tube of caulk with fins?
     
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    MIRV: mini-powered. Multiple Independently-targetable Reentry Vehicle. Is this right? I think you guys know. You guys are all awesome.
     
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    If you have access to a 3D printer you can get the files from here: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:496576

    Probably be able to find a lot more stuff on there too.
     
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    Erockets still has about 20 Estes Mirvs on closeout, you don't have to wait for a bringback.

    Very similar to the old Seattle Rocket Works Mirv Gryphon:

    http://www.oldrocketplans.com/srw/srwMG/srwMG.htm

    Single mini engine booster, 4 (instead of the Estes 3) mini engine sustainer "mirvs".

    BTW am I the only one who remembers Merv Griffin? And what about Mike Douglas? (No, not Michael Douglas). Cheers.
     
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    I remember the Merv Griffin Show too, but not the Mike Douglas Show.
     
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    Daniel, I don't know about the mini powered part, but the MIRV part, yes, that's correct. It's about putting multiple nukes on one ICBM.

    Kururin, Merv's show was a little before my time but I also knew plenty of Merv Griffin Productions game shows. And I do remember the Mike Douglas Show, he not to be confused with Michael Douglas, as you noted, or with Mike Douglis, my childhood (and still) friend.
     
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    I even remember his sidekick, Arthur Treacher.
    But only because we had an Arthur Treacher Fish & Chips restaurant that operated here in town until 2000 or so, about 30 years after anybody remembered who Arthur Treacher was.
     
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    He created the Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy game shows. I think he composed the Jeopardy music also.
     
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    Yep, he started out as a big band singer. Became a television personality and talk show host. Made a fortune buying up SoCal real estate when it was relatively cheap, and producing a ton of game shows, most notably Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy.
     
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    I wish they would bring back the Mercury Atlas. Some rumors from NARAM that they might. The ones selling on eBay are way too expensive, and the kit is difficult to clone because of the special size tubing.
     
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    Estes needs to bring back reliable motor starters like RIGHT NOW. Then maybe some new cluster kits in 13, 18, 24 and 29mm flavors.

    Mike Douglas started as a big band singer as well. He became a big deal celebrity in Philly when his talk show was produced there in the '60s and '70s. That show had some great moments.

     
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    Next year is the 45th anniversary of the introduction of the Maxi Brute models, which started with the V-2 and the Pershing 1-A. Seems like as good a time as any to bring these kits back with upgraded motor capacities.
     
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    That would be way cool!
     
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    John Boren discussed the possibility of the Pershing returning - at the time he didn’t think it was very likely to happen. Now, with new management? Guess we’ll have to wait and see. A larger - maybe even a PSII version? - V-2 seems like a natural. With the Star Orbiter and Super Big Bertha as the only builder kits using 29mm motors a larger V-2 would be a great addition.
     
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    I totally vote for the Space Shuttle. I will not pay upwards of 160 bucks on ebay for one. It just about killed me to lay out that kind of money for my Saturn V only to find out that Estes will be coming out with them again next month. If Estes does come out with S5, I'm buying three. One to screw up. One to build a Skylab and one to keep in the box.

    Oh, and the Titan too. That's the Titan 3E.
     
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    Pershing in a Pro kit would be awesome.
     
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    Not so relevant to new releases, but I would like to see the BT80 airframe toughen up from .020 to .030 wall. Add it to the OD. The nosecones can handle it. While they do that , how about a BT80 Der Red Max with laminated balsa fins as in the Super Big Bertha. A BT 80 Monarch would be nice...with SBB fin construction.
     
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    Funny you should mention that! I built a SBB with gusseted, TTW fins made of lite ply a few months ago. Strong, lightweight and easier than laminating pieces of wood. Body tube is a BTH-80 (.041" thick). Decals from Stickershock. Flew great on its' maiden flight with a 29mm composite motor. Currently building a Der V-3 with a BTH-80 tube and TTW ply fins also. Mark at Stickershock was able to customize a vinyl decal downscale for me, since the fine lettering loses resolution below a certain tube size.
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    As for bring backs, how about the big Mercury Atlas #2111? The new LJ1 uses the same capsule, and the LJ2 uses the same body tube diameter. Maybe replace the plastic parts with 3D printed ones? Might even be cheaper than retooling the molds.
     

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