I did ask and was told that for practice it doesn’t matter, if you cared about structure integrity then it does but any problems in the actual welding process are removed with MORE POWER to get past the rust.I have to think that a nice, neat weld would be easier to achieve if you first sanded or otherwise removed the rust and welded on shiny metal. I have to think so, but I don't really know. And if I'm right, I wouldn't know just how much easier.
Humor me and give it a try (unless someone who knows what he's talking about chimes in first).
I wouldn't be too worried unless the neutral line is connected to the earth. Usually things designed for AC allow for reversed connections for normal safe operation. We have to design our spectrometers to work with normal or reversed mains. The safety regulators can't trust electricians.Yes, mains voltage. Contacted the company yesterday and nada. I just finished a report to the CPSC. Possibly I could have hooked it up and just had the breaker blown...but no thanks. As a chem prof I know literally hundreds of ways to injure or re-kit this body; don't need another one.
Agreed. I just hate that the instructions aren't consistent. And I absolutely HATE switching the neutral line, when the hot line is the correct switch. May make no difference in the long run but still....I wouldn't be too worried unless the neutral line is connected to the earth. Usually things designed for AC allow for reversed connections for normal safe operation. We have to design our spectrometers to work with normal or reversed mains. The safety regulators can't trust electricians.
The neutral line must never be switched. It is against code here, and I would think in the US as well.Agreed. I just hate that the instructions aren't consistent. And I absolutely HATE switching the neutral line, when the hot line is the correct switch. May make no difference in the long run but still....
One every light fixture I've installed the black wire (hot) goes to the the center of the socket where the small tip of the base contacts and the white (neutral) wire goes to the base threads.Agreed. I just hate that the instructions aren't consistent. And I absolutely HATE switching the neutral line, when the hot line is the correct switch. May make no difference in the long run but still....
Clean the surfaces with an angle grinder with a 60 or 80 grit disk. Your welds will be much better.Before,View attachment 676082
After View attachment 676083
Before (rusty I know, it’s the scrap we could get)View attachment 676084
After (all mine except the long one)View attachment 676085
It can make a great deal of difference in the long run! It can kill someone down the road. Of course anyone working on wiring should make sure that relevant circuit breakers are off, but mistakes do get made. One can expect - should never assume but may expect - that the switched line is the hot line, and the unswitched line is neutral. If those are reversed, contact with the unswitched line can be fatal.Agreed. I just hate that the instructions aren't consistent. And I absolutely HATE switching the neutral line, when the hot line is the correct switch. May make no difference in the long run but still....
Indeed it is.The neutral line must never be switched. It is against code here, and I would think in the US as well.
Right. The central contact is hot and the thread is neutral so that incidental contact with the thread is not fatal. No one turns off the breaker to change the bulb in a lamp, right?One every light fixture I've installed the black wire (hot) goes to the the center of the socket where the small tip of the base contacts and the white (neutral) wire goes to the base threads.
@prfesser, on reflection, it occurs to me that perhaps you didn't mean what we thought you mean.It can make a great deal of difference in the long run! It can kill someone down the road. Of course anyone working on wiring should make sure that relevant circuit breakers are off, but mistakes do get made. One can expect - should never assume but may expect - that the switched line is the hot line, and the unswitched line is neutral. If those are reversed, contact with the unswitched line can be fatal.Agreed. I just hate that the instructions aren't consistent. And I absolutely HATE switching the neutral line, when the hot line is the correct switch. May make no difference in the long run but still....
Never Switch The Neutral!
That sounds like it's broken. Tape it to the toe next to it, Ice packs to reduce swelling. Advil or or other NSAID, not tylenol; bring inflammation down. It may be painful for a few weeks; hope not. That'll be $50. Of COURSE I'm a doctor! (okay, wrong kind, sowhut? )Yesterday I fell victim to walking in a relatively new house in the dark before caffeine. I smashed my little toe on the sofa leg to the point that it is purple, my entire foot is swollen and I'm not enjoying shoes. It was already mounted "sideways" due to previous injuries so it's not like it is structurally relavent, but dang does it hurt.
Not happy as I was supposed to run a trail race this weekend, and that is looking really unlikely now.
FWIW it's a motion-activated fixture and on-off is done internally/electronically. It should work whether I use the connections shown on the fixture markings or the instruction sheet directions. But since I'm unsure of which terminal on the fixture is switched, I'm going to wait for guidance. So far that is not forthcoming from FEIT.@prfesser, on reflection, it occurs to me that perhaps you didn't mean what we thought you mean.View attachment 676185
Did you mean "And I absolutely HATE switching the line that's labeled "neutral" on the device."? That is, switching the line that's actually hot but indicated to be neutral by the fixture? If so, then you're not so wrong. If you use the correct wire colors and use tape to relabel the fixture then it's OK, albeit undesirable.
But if you meant what we thought you meant, switching the line that actually the neutral from the breaker panel and not switching the one that's hot, then the admonitions above stand.
I understand why it's that way for some applications and it still feels weird. And it seems to be done in other applications where I don't understand the reason. So yea, I'm with you.
if only you did this,That sounds like it's broken. Tape it to the toe next to it, Ice packs to reduce swelling. Advil or or other NSAID, not tylenol; bring inflammation down. It may be painful for a few weeks; hope not. That'll be $50. Of COURSE I'm a doctor! (okay, wrong kind, sowhut? )
Anecdote follows, ignore as desired:
Years ago I broke a toe. Wife said "go to the doctor". "No; all he'll do is xray it, tell me it's broken, tape it to the toe next to it, and charge me $88." Taped it myself, saved $87.98. So...
Just a few weeks later, Elder Daughter broke her toe. SWMBO: "Take her to the doctor!"
He xrayed it, told us it was broken, taped it to the toe next to it. $88. An I-told-you-so moment.
if only you did this,
true, it's also expensive, power supplies aren't cheap.There is a description of how to make an xray machine in Scientific American's "The Amateur Scientist." Uses 50's technology. Please. Do. Not. And don't make the atom smasher either. Transmuting elements for fun and profit is not profitable.
The expectation of switching the hot side of AC made it hard for me to adjust to the DC practice of putting controlling relays on the ground side. After a little gesparken while changing out a valve solenoid (at the winery) and then going and looking carefully at all the newer lab plants, I had a chat with the equipment manufacturers about why they do it that way with DC.
I broke a little toe some years ago. I didn't even tape it, just ice and naproxen sodium. When I told my doctor about it the next time I saw her, a couple of months later, she said all they'd have done was tape it to the two around it. "Oh, the little toe? Yeah, they wouldn't have done anything."That sounds like it's broken. Tape it to the toe next to it, Ice packs to reduce swelling. Advil or or other NSAID, not tylenol; bring inflammation down. It may be painful for a few weeks; hope not. That'll be $50. Of COURSE I'm a doctor! (okay, wrong kind, sowhut? )
Anecdote follows, ignore as desired:
Years ago I broke a toe. Wife said "go to the doctor". "No; all he'll do is xray it, tell me it's broken, tape it to the toe next to it, and charge me $88." Taped it myself, saved $87.98. So...
Just a few weeks later, Elder Daughter broke her toe. SWMBO: "Take her to the doctor!"
He xrayed it, told us it was broken, taped it to the toe next to it. $88. An I-told-you-so moment.
the little toe is possibly the part of you, you care the least about.I broke a little toe some years ago. I didn't even tape it, just ice and naproxen sodium. When I told my doctor about it the next time I saw her, a couple of months later, she said all they'd have done was tape it to the two around it. "Oh, the little toe? Yeah, they wouldn't have done anything."
But you can just remove the heavy lead-glass front from an old CRT television of computer monitor. Give it a bright blank white screen video signal, and enjoy the rays.There is a description of how to make an xray machine in Scientific American's "The Amateur Scientist." Uses 50's technology.
And in lower power stuff, like using TTL chips to drive LEDs, the output pins are capable of sinking more current than they are of sourcing.When using transistors (BJTs, FETs,) to switch power on or off, it is practically much easier to do a low-side switch. For example a N-channel MOSFET is turned on or off by"Vgs". This means for a low-side switch (switching the ground side), the control voltage would be 0 or a small positive voltage. But for a high-side switch (switching the supply voltage), the control voltage would need to be either the supply voltage, or above the supply voltage (and the controlling logic may not "know" what the supply voltage is). There are other ways to do it with P-channel MOSFETs, but generally the control is more complex and compromised for a high-side switch, when using solid state devices.
I don't know why it would make any difference when using relays.
No, those use electron guns I believe so its elemental particles your enjoying!But you can just remove the heavy lead-glass front from an old CRT television of computer monitor. Give it a bright blank white screen video signal, and enjoy the rays.
To be fair, he had no way of knowing, and might as well have flipped a coin. (He did have justification for his guess, but it turns out to have been bogus. Not worse than no notion at all, but also not better.)Ben Franklin had it backwards. DC current runs from Ground to Positive, not Positive to Negative.
And we have been doing DC backwards since then
When the electron beam strikes the phosphor it produces x-rays as well as exciting the phosphor to glow. The phosphor is on a comparatively thin piece of glass, and there's a second, thicker piece of lead-glass that's there to physically protect the first piece and also to block the X-rays.No, those use electron guns I believe so its elemental particles your enjoying!
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