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Hi all. I lost my QCR Never Loop 1/2a BG this weekend. I'm pretty heart broken and want to build another one.

My collection of plans include:
Copies of the QCR which I made from the parts
The Wasp from Model Rocketry Dec 1970
Olympia 67
Rocky Mountain Canary II (from pink book)
And a poorly annotated Parksley Eagle.

Any body have suggestions for me to build? I like the looks of the Parksley Eagle (nice big wings) but the boom isn't annotated so I don't know where to put the wings.

Kevin
 
The Turnup on theNAR web site is an incredible performer, especially if you make a couple of simple mods:

1) after cutting out the wings, turn them around and sand in the airfoil the other way (in other words, what the plans say is the leading edge should be made into the trailing edge.

2) move the wing backwards a half inch - it takes less weight to flight balance.

A couple other things - check with George Gassaway - his resin cast L hooks are incredible. The glider is great for 1/4A and 1/2A, but if you want to fly it with an A you might want to tissue the wings.
 
I built a Turnup a few years back and it is a very credible performer in 1/4 - 1/2A. I'm inspired to build another using Greg's mods. An A might shred it though.
 
I like the looks of the Parksley Eagle (nice big wings) but the boom isn't annotated so I don't know where to put the wings.


The wings are located at a distance equal to 1/2 the wingspan, measured from the leading edge of the stab where it meets the fuselage.

Where'd you get the plan you have? Any of the ones I can recall being published either showed the location or gave dimensions.
 
It came in a bundle of "classic plans" I got from QCR. It has some questionable numbers on it, for example, the boom dimensions are given as "1/8 x 1/2 x 1/16 inch spruce" I'm thinking the boom should be about 12-13" long.

The wings are located at a distance equal to 1/2 the wingspan, measured from the leading edge of the stab where it meets the fuselage.

Where'd you get the plan you have? Any of the ones I can recall being published either showed the location or gave dimensions.
 
I think I'll build a Turnip. Since I'm at it, I might as well build two!

I built a Turnup a few years back and it is a very credible performer in 1/4 - 1/2A. I'm inspired to build another using Greg's mods. An A might shred it though.
 
I built a Turnup a few years back and it is a very credible performer in 1/4 - 1/2A. I'm inspired to build another using Greg's mods. An A might shred it though.

Use heavy balsa and tissue the wings - she'll stand up to the launch OK. If in doubt, you could always sub spruce for the fuselage for a more solid build. And credit for the mods goes to our club's resident glider specialist, Ryan Woebkenburg. He's the one who made the suggestions after I built my first one according to the plans.

Another good flyer for 1/4A is George Gassaway's Fish n Chips glider. It is small enough that it might even work with mmx (1/8A) motors, although I have not tried that at this point. I don't know if he has the plans for that on on his website or not (he posted it to our club's private message board).
 
Turnups, I've not seen many fly worth a darn. They are too big IMHO for 1/2A power.
Another good flyer for 1/4A is George Gassaway's Fish n Chips glider. It is small enough that it might even work with mmx (1/8A) motors, although I have not tried that at this point. I don't know if he has the plans for that on on his website or not (he posted it to our club's private message board).

The Fish N' Chips does fly better than it was named (the origins go way back to an MIT design from the 70's, created IIRC by Chris Flanigan).

I have done a few sizes. The size I have flown the most is what I had named "Big" Fish N' Chips, only because it was a little bigger than the MIT original. Have used that for 1/2A and A B/G many times thru the years. Here is the plan as a 2-page PDF.

https://homepage.mac.com/georgegassaway/GRP/AOL/GCGassaway/contest/fish_n_chips.pdf

I will also attach a GIF version in 2 pages.

The one Greg mentioned was sized for 1/4A power. Our team used it to win 1/4A B/G at NARAM last year. I will attach a one page plan for it, as a GIF, and the PDF version link is here:

https://homepage.mac.com/georgegassaway/GRP/CONTEST/Plans-C/BG/Quarter_A_BG.pdf

Back to 1/2A and A, I sometimes used light 3/32" balsa for the wing for 1/2A, and light 1/8" balsa for A power. Because the wing might shred on A power if it is 3/32".

My best performer has been one that I made around 10 years ago for NARAM. For the wings, I used meat tray foam (about 1/8" thick or a bit more), with Japanese Tissue vac-bagged onto the foam to make the foam stiffer. Low viscosity laminating epoxy was squeegeed onto the tissue and then squeegeed off, leaving the tissue "damp" with epoxy, minimizing weight. Then the tissue was laid in place on both sides of the wings and the wings were put into a vacuum bag and the pump turned on. The vacuum process sucked the peel-away plastic into the tissue to press them into the foam to make them bond, it is not practical to use epoxy to bond the tissue to the foam any other way (it would add too much weight to try to use epoxy in the same way a person would use clear dope to apply tissue on a balsa wing). The pump was left on left for the epoxy to cure fully overnight. The result was a set of light wings and stiff wings with a very smooth surface. Even though I built it for 1/2A, those wings were strong enough for A power. It has placed in several NARAMs holding 1/2A and A power, and won A B/G in 2004. Attached are pics of the wings in the vac bag and the completed glider. I do not mention this expecting people to go as far as vacuum bagging wings, but that's what I've done and that sure solved the 3/32" for 1/2A and 1/8" for A problem.

- George Gassaway

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Turnups, I've not seen many fly worth a darn. They are too big IMHO for 1/2A power....

- George Gassaway

Well I'm sure my definition of "credible performance" is little lower than yours. :eek: I've never won a contest with it but it did place in some local DARS section events. And I have a soft spot for those retro elliptical shapes. Incredibly generous of you to share your designs and building techniques. The Fish-N-Chips is definitely going in my future build file.
 
George;

Are you still selling the resin cast glider hooks. I haven't had a chance to use them yet, but I bought a few off Chad and they really look nice. Thought you might put a picture of them up here if anyone else is interested in them.
 
George;

Are you still selling the resin cast glider hooks. I haven't had a chance to use them yet, but I bought a few off Chad and they really look nice. Thought you might put a picture of them up here if anyone else is interested in them.

Yes, still selling the cast glider "L" Hooks. Here are some pics, and a link for more info and how to order. I plan to make another public push to sell them in a few weeks, wanted to get some other stuff out of the way first (going to auction some things and need to get the web pages ready for info on them).

More info and how to order:
https://homepage.mac.com/georgegassaway/GRC/Glider/GliderHooks.htm


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George,

Many thanks for sharing all your experience, plans and articles. I really appreciate it.

I started cutting parts for 2 Big Fish & Chips last night. Now I have to consider waiting for some L-hooks to make it all perfect.

Kevin
 
Here is the Big Fish-n-Chips I ended up with. I had first cut the spar from hard balsa, but during glide testing, it nosed in an snapped it. Since this is for fun (and not competition) I cut a new spar from basswood. I deviated quite a bit more for the instructions by cutting out the bottom bit of spar nose then laminating with ply. This leaves a little pocket which holds clay nicely.

The glider also sports George's nifty resin double hooks. Those are slick!

I refitted my old flannigan style pop pod with the mating piece.

BTW - the spar is much wider than specified in the plans. I had a 3/16" strip in my scrap box and decided to use it.

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If you want to maximize boost and glide, you might consider using carbon fiber tubing for the boom. As a bonus, it doesn't warp like wood. I use basswood when I want to be able to warp it to shape--such as leading edges.
 
Zack,

I just picked up some carbon fiber tubes. I'll use it on the next one.

Kevin

If you want to maximize boost and glide, you might consider using carbon fiber tubing for the boom. As a bonus, it doesn't warp like wood. I use basswood when I want to be able to warp it to shape--such as leading edges.
 
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