Agreed Richard, I mean there is a named launch out there already known as the “Hamster Dance”! How more politically correct and cute sounding is that? https://www.rimworld.com/hamsterdance/rules.html
Kurt
Kurt
Scottish humor requires me to say “If caber tossing was easy, the English would do it”.Hey, where are the fins!!!
Oh, it's Toss Vector Controlled.
BTW: Thank goodness that rocket motors were created otherwise this is what we would all be doing.
I want to see the name of the new NAR-TRA event. I'm sure you all will come up with something interesting. (Actually, it's a bit frightening.)
NARTRAB, pronounced "Nar trab" of course
NAR-TRA Bloodbath
(need a tongue-in-cheek smilie)
Best -- Terry
This only requires minor modifications to the safety code, in regards to launching at a target.
I have a competition proposal for NARTRAB, the NAR/TRA Death Squad. A target object (eg thin open cell foam) will be hoisted by balloon 50 feet in the air above the launch area. NAR and TRA teams will have the opportunity to attempt to hit the object. NAR teams may use any number of rockets but the motors must be D power or less. TRA teams may use only one rocket of H power or greater. The teams that does teh most damage to the target as determined by judges will be the winner.
This only requires minor modifications to the safety code, in regards to launching at a target.
Here’s what I explained to someone the other day:
I don’t know why NAR changed theirs, but we both had the same policy at one time. A few years ago the NAR changed theirs, which honestly put us in a bit of a position. It’s a topic that we discuss frequently at the board level.
Here’s my take: if a person drops his or her membership for at least a year, we know they haven’t probably flown in that time. I don’t know about you, but I lose expertise if I go too long without doing something. That was the basis for the expiration of a certification. It’s true that a person could also just continue paying membership dues and not fly and lose just as much expertise, but that’s harder to track without adding rules and formal requirements such as a flight logbook.
So, now we have this weird situation where Tripoli members can “insure” their certifications by joining the NAR for a year. Then they can drop out for some time and whenever they want to return they rejoin NAR, regain their certification level, and then rejoin Tripoli and transfer their certification. It doesn’t make sense, does it.
Honestly, I’m torn. The only people our rule affects are those who only join Tripoli, our most loyal members.
But, at the same time, all it takes to recertify is to fly rockets anyway. An L3 can just recycle their existing paperwork and reply their rocket. And flying rockets is the only reason to get certified anyway, so it’s really not a huge hardship for most people.
As a side note, right now we have stopped expiring certifications for people who drop their memberships during the next year. We did that because we anticipate that many people will be unable to afford to renew their memberships due to the shutdown we’re going through.
By the way, here’s the definition of fascism:
Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.
Thanks, that helps me understand your objections. Although Tripoli has more specific rules regarding who is authorized to certify users, that certainly doesn’t resemble fascism. Posting the definition of fascism wasn’t an attempt to shame you but rather to show that it simply doesn’t apply. Given the evil and overarching nature of fascism, it’s inflammatory to call an organization fascist just because you disagree with a rule. It might work to attract attention, but it doesn’t help the conversation along.Oh I do not care in the least about expiring certs. I think it is a little silly (you ever forget how to ride a bike while still young enough to physically operate it?) but heck if it ever happens to me it will be a fun excuse to go fly some smaller stuff again. No, the problem we have had is with the exclusivity of those who can sign certifications. how do you deal with prefects that have no TAP? how do you cert (even L1) at a private launch site? I guess you cant. so after years of trying we all joined NAR instead and direct our students to do the same. whatever.
I realize you post the definition of fascism to make me reconsider my language or shame my opinion, but re-reading it while visualizing more than a few faces in the hobby fits a little too close for comfort.
How do you deal with prefects that have no TAP? how do you cert (even L1) at a private launch site? I guess you cant. so after years of trying we all joined NAR instead and direct our students to do the same. whatever.
I realize you post the definition of fascism to make me reconsider my language or shame my opinion, but re-reading it while visualizing more than a few faces in the hobby fits a little too close for comfort.
Simple . . . Either you travel, the TAP travels, or you don't certify, duh !
Yesterday I viewed your 50 latest posts, and of those, it appeared that not more than 10 were on rocketry per se. The rest--80% of the posts---were BCM. I learned to be pretty tolerant after 12 years on the BoD, but your latest name-calling remarks are, in my opinion, completely unjustified.Once a Fascist, always a Fascist !
Richard,So, on page 7 and this thread has taken several turns. Probably thread is not a good name for these. Sometimes more like the branches of a tree but linear to because the sequential nature of the forum. And, that may be the forum's greatest weakness. I'm sure there's good stuff, useful info in this thread like others I've seen, but often it's buried. I own my part in that as well. There are subjects I'm interested in that many many pages long. Have you ever tried to get caught up? It's frustrating!
Does anyone ever summarize a topic and then it's closed, or do things just go on until they die, only to be occasionally resurrected?
At what point does something become it's own thread? Like the mutual NAR-TRA event thing? If Steve had some kind of update on that, would he come back here?
I have mixed feelings about this, because in one way constantly creating new threads helps with linearizing info and would help someone coming in later, but on the other hand, it would create perhaps an unmanageable number of threads.
For Terry to ignore someone is truly significant. He’s one of the nicest guys I’ve ever met. Perhaps there ought to be an “number ignored by” threshold for each person that determines their ability to post. If more than X people ignore a person that person loses the ability to post for a month. Second offense, four months. Third offense, one year? Just a suggestion.That is true for L3, but then, I suspect that almost every L3 candidate has to travel a fair distance to get to an L3-capable field. I am lucky, I live just over an hour from a field that might be L3 capable for a low-and-slow flight. Before that field became available last year, my choices were 4 hours, 7.5 hours, or 11-12 hours.
As for the TAP traveling, most members of the TAP whom I know are perfectly willing to travel a reasonable distance to help certify an L3 candidate.
For L1 and L2 the situation is rather simpler, as Steve noted in post #192.
Yesterday I viewed your 50 latest posts, and of those, it appeared that not more than 10 were on rocketry per se. The rest--80% of the posts---were BCM. I learned to be pretty tolerant after 12 years on the BoD, but your latest name-calling remarks are, in my opinion, completely unjustified.
Congratulations on being the first person I have set to "Ignore" on TRF.
Goodbye -- TWM
BCM = b**ch, complain, moan
Yesterday I viewed your 50 latest posts, and of those, it appeared that not more than 10 were on rocketry per se. The rest--80% of the posts---were BCM. I learned to be pretty tolerant after 12 years on the BoD, but your latest name-calling remarks are, in my opinion, completely unjustified.
YepYou mean, like this?
What's the minimum safe distance for that?
Richard,
If the idea of a joint TRA-NAR event gets traction I would definitely come back here. It wouldn’t be lots of details during any discussions that would need to be held; that’s a little too much of the sausage making and directors and trustees in both sides need to be able to speak freely with concern that bits and pieces of the conversation might be reported out of context. I can tell you this: I have very tentatively asked about the idea and the responsible questions have yet to be answered:
There are a minimum of five national events between our two organizations already, as well as numerous super-regional events like Airfest that truly are attended from across North America. Is there truly interest and when would there be a place and time for yet another large launch? Winter in Arizona or Texas? The other three seasons may already have plenty of launch opportunities. Or would two existing National events be truncated and held together so as not to dilute the effect.
How would event insurance work. That cannot be simultaneously shared, so would this truly be a joint event? The best I can think of would be to interlace insurance based on days, so Day 1 might be a NAR event and Day 2 might be a Tripoli event. Repeat as necessary.
Finally (only for purposes of this post, certainly not the final question that might arise, what would the event look like? For instance, I love the presentations that accompany NARCON. Those seldom happen at Tripoli events although KLOUDBusters have arranged tours of the Cosmosphere. So maybe conjoin something like NARCON, which is typically a flightless event, with a Tripoli launch event? Or go full bore and try to combine our two annual meetings, NARAM and LDRS? If we did that 2021 would probably be the first opportunity.
I'm wondering how popular a mutual NAR-TRA event would be and what form it would take.
Interesting you mention SLI -- yes, run by NAR, but many teams fly EX motors. Does this not make it a TRA launch?
I actually know of just such an event -
Interesting you mention SLI -- yes, run by NAR, but many teams fly EX motors. Does this not make it a TRA launch?
Kevin are your boots still red with AL dirt?
Wouldn't Midwest Power qualify as a joint event since QCRC is both a NAR Section and a TRA Prefecture?
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