# Tripoli and NAR Launch Site

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#### cwbullet

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Has either organization thought about pooling donations to buy a launch site? It cost could be huge, but the dividend would massive.

#### prfesser

It would be great for TRANAR to own a field like the Kloudbusters... I'd be concerned with the FAA deciding in the future, for one reason or another, that a waiver would no longer be granted for that area.

#### FredA

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Please no - would benefit very few members - remember this is a world-wide organization.

#### cwbullet

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Good points. It would be nice to have a national site for a national launch that is in the center of the country.

There is a site on the East Coast that I have looked at that would be idea. It is at an under used airfield but I suspect that would be a no go.

#### rfjustin

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It was just an idea. I was bored at work. Forget I even asked it.
No good deed eh?

#### cwbullet

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Thanks. Since the post, I got a couple of belittling PMs. It really got under my skin. I know it is a pipe dream but so was going to the moon.

I was not pointing to Kansas. Their field is awesome (based on reports). I plan to attend someday.

If we could find a farm or landowner, I think it would be a worthwhile endeavor. The traveling roadshow is nice, but having a field with a semipermanent site with a waiver that respectable would be value-added.

If not buy, rent for a week for 99 years. Heck, maybe it could be funded with a GoFundMe. Advertise the heck out of it. Get one of our more photogenic members to go on Fox, CNN, and MSNBC. Maybe a landowner will step forward and let us rent it.

#### prfesser

Thanks. Since the post, I got a couple of belittling PMs. It really got under my skin. I know it is a pipe dream but so was going to the moon.
Chuck, I'm sorry for the bad manners of others. And occasionally of me...but the time on the BoD taught me to be nice (well, most of the time).

If not buy, rent for a week for 99 years. Heck, maybe it could be funded with a GoFundMe. Advertise the heck out of it. Get one of our more photogenic members to go on Fox, CNN, and MSNBC. Maybe a landowner will step forward and let us rent it.
Now that's a good idea. If a group can get a bundle from GoFundMe, to develop a device that is clearly impossible, maybe TRANAR can get money for something worthwhile. I only wish these donations-groups were around when we were dealing with the lawsuit...

Best-- Terry

#### Steve Shannon

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Chuck,
The foundation of Tripoli was laid on ideas that others thought were completely wrong and would spell the end of model rocketry as they knew it. If we cannot explore ideas then we will never know where progress might take us.

#### Bat-mite

##### Rocketeer in MD
Get one of our more photogenic members to go on Fox, CNN, and MSNBC.
I could be the face of the movement, but ... hmm, I might be too good-looking. Got to keep it real.

#### cwbullet

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Chuck,
The foundation of Tripoli was laid on ideas that others thought were completely wrong and would spell the end of model rocketry as they knew it. If we cannot explore ideas then we will never know where progress might take us.
Good points. We have to think differently sometimes.

I could be the face of the movement, but ... hmm, I might be too good-looking. Got to keep it real.
I would do the same, but I am sure we have better candidates. Crazy Jim?

#### DavidMcCann

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Is it a good idea? probably not.

Would it be sweet to have a massive space with really really really cool permanent launch fixtures? Hell yes.

A mecca of rocketry would be badass. But I think a private owner would be more likely than a club or organization getting land.

#### cwbullet

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Is it a good idea? probably not.

Would it be sweet to have a massive space with really really really cool permanent launch fixtures? Hell yes.

A mecca of rocketry would be badass. But I think a private owner would be more likely than a club or organization getting land.
Probably true, but a man without a dream is one sad man.

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#### DavidMcCann

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Probably true, but a man without a dream is one sad man.
My dream is a launch facility sized for I motors, 2-3 permanent pads , a camera array to record launches all setup in a permanent launch structure, with a tracking station, and a truck setup for tracking as well.

No setup. no teardown. Just go and launch. Oh and a flush crapper.

#### 75Grandville

The thread got me thinking. Browsing the online classifieds, it's possible to buy a square mile (640 acres) in northwestern Utah for $99,000. [Full disclosure - I can't remember the website, and you all know that on occasion things posted on the internet are not what they seem.] As the basis for a permanent launch location, it seems like a fairly reasonable price. I have no idea what's there at present - I am assuming high desert (sagebrush, cheatgrass, rattlesnakes, small cacti, and dirt). The downside, of course, is that it's in the middle of nowhere! I think there is a ghost town nearby, but civilization is at least 60-90 miles away, and the closest major airport is about 2.5 hours away. We could, however, build permanent launch structures. UROC, the local club, leases a square mile of land from the BLM for probably less than the annual taxes on that inexpensive square mile I mentioned above. For a local club, at least, I don't think that purchasing the land would be a good investment. For a national organization, I don't know. I like the concept, but I can't see that it's easily implemented. Proximity to services would increase the price. Also, I like the rotating structure that they have for NARAM and LDRS. I have traveled cross country to attend a national event once, but most of the time only attend things that are within an 8 hour drive. If the site picked was on the east coast, or even the midwest, I don't know that I would be able to make it. At least this way I can get to one every few years. Heck, LDRS is coming to ME next summer! (Be sure to put your TRF handle on your badge.) Chuck, thanks for bringing the idea up. It's an interesting exercise, and maybe someone more clever (or richer) than I can figure out a way to make it work. Ya can't say "the sky is blue" on the interwebs without the trolls doing their thing... #### RocketRev ##### Lifetime Supporter TRF Lifetime Supporter One thing that has been said over and over in this thread that is not correct is all the statements about having to pay Property Taxes. If the organization that owns the property is a 501-3(c) then there would be no taxes on the property that the "tax-exempt" organization owns and uses for its tax exempt purposes. I just thought that I ought to put that into the mix as some folks think that having to pay property taxes in perpetuity would be a severe hindrance on the organization. It wouldn't, so that objection isn't really an objection at all. I sincerely love the idea of actually owning a square mile of property for flying rockets. But as has already been mentioned: where? The kicker will always be where the land is to be located. Here in the mid-west, a square mile of the least productive empty farm land is going to sell for upwards of$2 million dollars, and I do mean upwards. That would be just $3125 an acre. Frankly that's way out of reach for the foreseeable future for either or both of the national organizations. And the land, like was mentioned that you could purchase for$99K for a square mile, is located so far from what we would call the standard amenities, that nobody is going to want to buy it. To say nothing of the changeable nature of government and who knows what they might do to us and a standing FA waiver......

On the other hand, the old real-estate adage comes to mind: "Its all about location, location, location." Wherever you buy land, there will be those who say its too far away from them. Kansas is great, but who needs to drive to Kansas to fly model rockets? But high power is really no different. Kloudbusters have put on more LDRS's than any other group, but they don't do it ever year. And for as long as they've been doing huge launches at that location, even in this thread there are those who've said they've never been to that launch site. The local guys would burn out in short order. Where would a national organization buy? East coast? West Coast? North? South? Central? Central to whom? Central by population? By current membership? Potential membership? How about by standard weather patterns? There are so many variables, that in my estimation we'd never agree to one spot on the map. And as somebody said, Tripoli (at least) is an international organization. Could we expect our oversees members to support a permanent flying field here in the USA? That would work fine for the wealthy, but that's not all of us. Yes, yes, I know I'm one of those multi-million dollar salaried clergy like the guys on TV...... oh wait, that's a different dream (or did I mean to say "nightmare?").

I've often wondered about somebody approaching the Gates Foundation or who knows who else, about donating suitable land for a launch site for educational purposes. We'd gladly name the field after them in perpetuity. But again, that's way above my pay-grade. If God drops the winning \$100 million dollar lottery ticket into my lap, I'll buy a site here in the mid-west for us and forever rename all my parachutes "Jesus Saves." And while I actually believe that Jesus does save (is actually the only Savior available) with all my heart, I'm not expecting that lottery ticket to show up any time soon. That's not usually how the Lord works things. Not usually, but hey, we can dream......