Toasted Deuce

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  1. Jul 13, 2003 #1

    Stymye

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    Had a great day launching rockets

    except the second launch of my Deuces Wild on B6-4's

    Both motors lit but, only one was thrusting...the deuce left the rod and banked into the ground horizontaly..the other motor was burning out of the ejection end! ..the Deuce continued to burn on the ground as the first motors ejection went off.. the tube nearly burnt in half.It is basically destroyed ..It also toasted the top flight chute and elastic cord..the kevelar anchor held

    heres a pic of the lift-off
     
  2. Jul 13, 2003 #2

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    the tube is cooked and the motor mount is damaged on the bad motor side

    will Estes replace my Deuce and top flight chute ?????

    obviously the motor was faulty and it never gave an ejection ..
    I've never seen a B motor burn that much before

    Is this blow by? this is my first estes motor cato

    heres a picture of the tube
     
  3. Jul 13, 2003 #3

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    O that sucks man...you should call estes they may replace it. Its worth a try
     
  4. Jul 13, 2003 #4

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    this pic shows the carnage better

    as you can see the damage is into the fin area and about 3/4 up the body..I will try to save the fin area somehow .but its very weak as it is right now and half of the body tube is paper thin

    the one engine tube suffered alot of heat damage also

    I wanted to run into the launch area and save it somehow
    but the LCO was already launching the next rocket
     
  5. Jul 13, 2003 #5

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    Sorry about your Deuce, Stymie. I think if it was mine, I'd let it pass gently into the night. RIP.
    The upside would be that you get to build another Deuce!
     
  6. Jul 13, 2003 #6

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    Ouch Stymye!
    Sorry to hear your Deuce is Cooked! Ho that's an awful Pun:(

    You really should send the motor casing with a letter and pic back to Estes, they are usually very good about replacing motors. they won't usually replace the model, (especially if it isn't theirs") but it couldn't hurt to try.
    This is very interesting, Jim and a bunch of us had a discussion just last thursday concerning what would happen if only one motor of a deuce's wild were to ignite. Looks like you just saved Jim a deuce distruction experiment:) Good photo's also.
    See there is a silver lining in nealy everything.
     
  7. Jul 13, 2003 #7

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    Micro

    I actually had the Deuce fly on one C6 before (one of the ignitors burned thru) and it continued to gain altitude at an angle but It remained upright ..Infact it ejected more than high enough to ensure a soft landing ..one B6 just doesn't have the thrust to sustain it tho
     
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    That is one of the most painful motor failures, a burn-through... man...

    at least with a real *cato*, it's all over in a micro-second and there may be some cracked glue joints and scortching, but is often repairable. But a burn-through just sits there and cooks... the bubbled up paint is a sight that i've seen many times and i just *cringe* at the sight... :(

    Let us know what Estes does to help.
    jim
     
  9. Jul 13, 2003 #9

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    A dead or dying rocket is a sad thing. :(

    That's what I like about low power... the investment in time and love is great, but financially it doesn't hit that hard. You'll have your next duece up and flying soon, I'm sure.
     
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    I am a little calmer now that I think about it
    It was just a little hard to watch...
    yep..It's just part of the territory in this hobby

    I'll chalk this one up to experience ...
    and this definately isn't my last Deuce

    just the first R.I.P.
     
  11. Jul 13, 2003 #11

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    I've had a few RIPs now, and I'm in the process of designing an area, in my lounge, to proudly display any wreckage I have left over after a rocket dies. I'm just as proud of my wrecked puppies, as I am of the ones currently in service.

    Re: Deuces flying on one motor. My Deuce's maiden flight, on 2*A8-3, suffered an ignitor failier, so flew on only one motor. The flight was straight and stable enough to not be a danger, just not very high (5-6m). The nosecone suffered some cosmetic damage, and a few minor dents. Hasn't stopped me having many more flights with it.

    It is probally worth sending the remains of the motor back to Estes. They might be able to find out what the cause was, and take note of it in future quality control tests. They can't correct a potential problem if they don't know it exists.
     
  12. Jul 13, 2003 #12

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    I had a few BP failures in my time. One was my Hyperstager (my own design) with a A10-0T to A3-4T. Perfect boost, but the sustainer CATO'ed on ignition. Blistered the paint above the motor tube and put a big smile on the nose cone. Estes sent me a new pack of A3-4T's, and a Nike Arrow rocket kit.

    Don't forget to fill out a MESS form.
     
  13. Jul 13, 2003 #13

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    Yes, Definately go to WWW.NAR.org and fill out a M.E.S.S. form. then copy this form and send it to Estes. I did thatwhen a CATO took out my Cruader clone.:( Estes called me a couple of weeks later and sent me a Condor kit and a pack of C6-3's. They can't replace clones or other companies kits, but they will usually make things right.:)
     
  14. Jul 14, 2003 #14

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    yep .I filled out the mess form the day of the failure

    I'll call estes Monday.and will send them the motor If they want it ..as for replacing the kit I will see what they say.mabey a substitute.If I'm nice enough
     
  15. Jul 14, 2003 #15

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    I talked to estes .they were nice about things
    I'm sending the case,and pics of the deuce
    they said they will send me a close matching kit
     
  16. Jul 14, 2003 #16

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    This should be interesting... :D
     
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    Maybe they're going to send you 2 x BT20s and a Big Bertha, then say "get on with it!" :D
     
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    Estes doesn't have anything even close to a "genooowine" FlisKits Dueces Wild!!
     
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    Oh I CANNOT wait to see this!!! Anyone guessing? Probably gonna be a BT-55 or BT-60 based kit, one that's in the range of 10-17 dollars.

    Jason
     
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    I've had a similar response from Estes in the past...

    Of course they can't match the Deuce.. but sounds like top notch customer service to me...

    Jason
     
  21. Jul 14, 2003 #21

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    oh, no question of that (juz havin' sum fun :D )

    Estes' customer service is second to none...

    ...well, **maybe** second to *one*... :D :D

    Zing!

    my bad...
     
  22. Jul 14, 2003 #22

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    Jim ,
    I'm not blowing smoke when I say
    It would be very hard to find a better quality or as fun to fly rocket kit , for the price of a Deuces Wild at $12.95+ shipping
    heck, thats a tiny bit more than their list price for an Alpha!
    and anyone familiar with Fliskits knows that your customer support is every bit as good as Estes. ..or better

    I will be happy to get a pack of engines.and whatever else they graciously toss in the package.

    Does Estes even have a cluster rocket in production?I don't recall any
     
  23. Jul 15, 2003 #23

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    not that I am aware of (clusters)

    It seems like the vast bulk of the hobby rocketry industry feels that clusters don't serve a purpose with the existance of higher power motors.

    I disagree and our customer responses say that most of *you* disagree also :)

    This is a good thing.
     
  24. Jul 15, 2003 #24

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    No! Say it ain't so! Was this at Manchester last weekend? I'm glad I wasn't there to see it...my own Deuce still hasn't flown yet. Maybe next month at NARAM...it is my birthday, after all...
     
  25. Jul 16, 2003 #25

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    Gobang .yes at Manchester

    other than the deuce misshap ..I had a great time

    try and make it out next launch if you can
     
  26. Jul 29, 2003 #26

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    .....still no reply or package from estes.....:(
     
  27. Aug 7, 2003 #27

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    update....
    Christene from estes called ME and let me pick out a rocket of my choice!!

    I didn't want to be too greedy but I asked for a Big Daddy...no problem! they are replaceing the motors that catoed AND sending a pack of D-12 to fly the Big Daddy on!

    Excellent Service!!!! Christene is too cool!!

    now I need to call jim and get annother Deuce and a couple more things ...!


    (doing the Pee Wee dance)
     

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