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#### hutch

##### Well-Known Member
I still wish we could line up national sponsorship for a TARC team in Canada. I'd be happy to help local high school kids compete, but as it stands, we can't do anything without national sponsorship.

#### dr wogz

##### Fly caster
From what I hear there are 7 or 8 teams, UVIC, UBC and UofC are the only ones I know planning on heading there, I imagine the rest may be from central Canada. Sorry not much more details.
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David, did any results or anything ever get posted?

I ask, because we all had a say in this thread,and there was a statement that they were launching at Cold lake in August. Yet the original 'launch Canada' website is still the same old-same old..

(If something did happen, maybe the site needs to be updated. Keeping things secret doesn't help build or grow something!!)

#### High Desert Rocketry

##### Well-Known Member
Several university teams from Canada compete at IREC here in the US each year.
Introducing Friends of Amateur Rocketry's 'DPF'
Dollar Per Foot rocket challenge

Just for clarification.
This is not a 'competition' like IREC or BASE 11; it is a team challenge for universities to design, build, and launch successful liquid rocket projects. When they have finished their project, they come to FAR and launch when ready. If they meet the challenge requirements and reach say 23,000' they get $23,000. If they only reach 4,000' they get$4,000. No trophy, no first place, nothing like that. So they are rewarded for what they design for and accomplish. If one team shows up say this month and another next month or next March that is fine. We do require a two week notice:
https://friendsofamateurrocketry.org/launch-request/

#### Crayok

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Canada is also larger than the US,
The land mass of the US and Canada is roughly the same, the Mercator projection system for flat maps makes one think Canada is bigger (and Russia...) But your point without the landmass reference is still very valid we don't have very much population, probably why we have to be very good at what we do...

David

#### timbucktoo

##### Well-Known Member
Staff member
TRF Supporter
Global Mod
I have heard very little about this projects. And I cannot evaluate the potential properly. I need to study it in more detail. It looks like this program already works well in the USA. Possibly it can be introduced in other countries as well. So it is time to get more information about it. If you have resources to start with, please share with me.
Have you looked at the #1 post?

#### dr wogz

##### Fly caster
Wemmtosa,

When you read thru this, it looks like a contest for university & college student to "apply their knowledge". The US have a few 'contests' like this for their schools & institutions (they are open to international teams, with Canada usually fielding a few)

But as you read thru it, you will also see that there is little in the way of information or even an update over the past two years. So, it is being thought of a a farce, a failed attempt, and a wasted opportunity by people who had grand ideas but little in the way of ensuring success. That's what we are sad & mad about. Post #76 seems to summarize our opinions..

Look at the population & land mass of Canada, and compare it to other countries: Canada is HUGE, but only has about 36 million people, So, distances between us is large. The intended launch area was also far from any large city; far enough away to make travel difficult and expensive for any 'college student'.. (Look up "Cold Lake Alberta".. It is a days drive from the closest city, assuming you can get to that city!)

The main cities where student teams would have the tech & know-how to compete are mostly on the east side of the country (Montreal & Toronto) as well as Vancouver on the west coast. Calgary maybe, and Edmonton would be a bit of a stretch for fielding such a team (closest city to the intended launch area) So, any team is easily looking at $500CAD plane tickets, plus all the other expenses to travel to the competition. That expense is better paid to travel to the US to fly in their competitions & stay in a populated US city.. And, most of Canada is below 0°C for most of the year!! Brrrrrr!!! Any European country has a smaller (much smaller!!) land mass with about the same (or larger) population. So the chances are better for the competition being a success, with teams coming from other EU countries, and their costs being minimal.. #### dr wogz ##### Fly caster it seems we may have been a bit premature.. This just came across my FB feed.. (But then again, it looks like they only started posting to FB in march..) I guess updating a website is soo 2016! #### Dipstick ##### Well-Known Member TRF Supporter Yes, I am curious about their flight plans...I signed up for email updates but haven't received anything. #### High Desert Rocketry ##### Well-Known Member It has been awhile but some people determined to get things done have succeeded. Please lend your support to this as volunteers are needed. I've been doing so with teams and events in the USA for years. http://www.launchcanada.org/ Incidently, Europe just finished their first continent wide event. https://euroc.pt/ and South America is now doing their second year of LASC http://lasc.space/ Last edited: #### High Desert Rocketry ##### Well-Known Member Wemmtosa, When you read thru this, it looks like a contest for university & college student to "apply their knowledge". The US have a few 'contests' like this for their schools & institutions (they are open to international teams, with Canada usually fielding a few) But as you read thru it, you will also see that there is little in the way of information or even an update over the past two years. So, it is being thought of a a farce, a failed attempt, and a wasted opportunity by people who had grand ideas but little in the way of ensuring success. That's what we are sad & mad about. Post #76 seems to summarize our opinions.. Look at the population & land mass of Canada, and compare it to other countries: Canada is HUGE, but only has about 36 million people, So, distances between us is large. The intended launch area was also far from any large city; far enough away to make travel difficult and expensive for any 'college student'.. (Look up "Cold Lake Alberta".. It is a days drive from the closest city, assuming you can get to that city!) The main cities where student teams would have the tech & know-how to compete are mostly on the east side of the country (Montreal & Toronto) as well as Vancouver on the west coast. Calgary maybe, and Edmonton would be a bit of a stretch for fielding such a team (closest city to the intended launch area) So, any team is easily looking at$500CAD plane tickets, plus all the other expenses to travel to the competition. That expense is better paid to travel to the US to fly in their competitions & stay in a populated US city..
We have a small test/launch facility ( www.friendsofamateurrocketry.org) in the Mojave Desert of California and yet we have student teams drive from the east coast (including from Canada) with their rockets to test and or launch at FAR, many miles from any populated city. I've mentored student teams for the NASA competition 2,000 miles away in Alabama that have driven there and we do a competition at the FAR site with teams that have driven from Florida and flown from Hawaii. Given the opportunity, students will find a way to get things done and Canadian students are no different.

#### High Desert Rocketry

##### Well-Known Member
I'm not saying that this is the case here, but I have known individuals who were very good at getting grants, sponsorship, money for things that they really had no ability to pull off.

One example is when I was working in marine education with Bamfield Marine Sciences. We also worked closely with the education folks at DFO and Vancouver aquarium. Then this "organization" popped up, purporting to be the "Most important marine education institute in Canada". They were applying for grants and sponsorship... and getting money. They had a spiffy looking professional webpage. They did a good job applying for grants with lots of fancy language and HUGE promises.

And they accomplished... nothing. In one case, a \$25,000 grant ended up with the end product as a single page on their website that was copied from the Vancouver Aquarium site. Nobody could find out who was actually behind it. I suspected one or two people was all. I also suspected that the majority of grant moneys went to "salaries".

Just because one project 'failed' doesn't mean all projects will. I've VOLUNTEERED to mentor scores of student teams and at rocketry events for no pay and often not even expenses. While I can't say no one ever gets paid, the people I work with are volunteers like me.

From the FAQs menu tab on the website:

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#### dr wogz

##### Fly caster
hey H-D-R,

A few of us have signed up to volunteer.. But nada, zip, ziltch, no replies.. Nothing from them. You'd figure, a group that's is looking for volunteers would at least acknowledge the receipt of the e-mails! And maybe reach out to see the qualification of the individual. (I'm in Montreal, and it seems Montreal / Quebec has 5 teams going 5 Teams!! I can at least help translate for the French speaking teams!)

Their site has been stagnate for the better part of 2 years. Then, all of a sudden, on a FB group, they post what I posted (and you), and have seem to be active on FB since March. But again, nothing to anyone who'se signed up..

Rocketry in Canada is fraction of what it is in the US, and possibly in the EU.. and you'd think "experience" would be a benefit, since there are so few of us, with even L1 certs.. let alone certified to fly an L ..

And Dipstick is a CAR executive (our equivalent to NAR/TRA) so you'd figure he at least would be 'in the know'..

Sorry for sounding bitter, but we've reached out, they can at least say "thank you for reaching out"..

#### Dipstick

##### Well-Known Member
TRF Supporter
hey H-D-R,

A few of us have signed up to volunteer.. But nada, zip, ziltch, no replies.. Nothing from them. You'd figure, a group that's is looking for volunteers would at least acknowledge the receipt of the e-mails! And maybe reach out to see the qualification of the individual. (I'm in Montreal, and it seems Montreal / Quebec has 5 teams going 5 Teams!! I can at least help translate for the French speaking teams!)

Their site has been stagnate for the better part of 2 years. Then, all of a sudden, on a FB group, they post what I posted (and you), and have seem to be active on FB since March. But again, nothing to anyone who'se signed up..

Rocketry in Canada is fraction of what it is in the US, and possibly in the EU.. and you'd think "experience" would be a benefit, since there are so few of us, with even L1 certs.. let alone certified to fly an L ..

And Dipstick is a CAR executive (our equivalent to NAR/TRA) so you'd figure he at least would be 'in the know'..

Sorry for sounding bitter, but we've reached out, they can at least say "thank you for reaching out"..
I'm not on the CAR/ACF executive, but I would echo the sentiment of no responses ever, no indication of where they will fly, and no idea how to provide help as a mentor under the Launch Canada organization. I do wish we could line up the event with CAR/ACF somehow, even as a support only, to capitalize on Canadians building and flying rockets...

#### dr wogz

##### Fly caster
Sorry Bruce! I get you & David mixed up!

But you are both CAR, and both in Alberta (If I recall) and that's apparently where they will be holding said launch. (Cold Lake AFB if I also recall)

It also begs to ask if Launch Canada is aware of CAR or NAR or TRA.. or even 'model rocketry' as a hobby..