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  1. Nov 7, 2019 #31

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    You can purchase BP on line no problems.
    I get my GOEX Black powder for my flintlock rifle from Powder Inc.
    I always keep about 5-10 lbs at home.
    I will need to try this hack on my igniters.
     
  2. Nov 7, 2019 #32

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    Any thoughts on using finely ground "sparkler" material, either independently or as a "supplement" to BP, Pyrodex, or Hodgdon Triple Seven / 777 ?

    Dave F.
     
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    "Since I started dipping igniters in Testors Silver paint I have not had a failure."

    Your silver pain probably contains very finely divided Aluminum powder. This is probably a good improvement over Corn Starch.

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    Dissolved Ping Pong balls are commonly believed to be Nitro Cellulose. This is not usually the case. Most Ping Pong Balls are made from celluloid plastic. If you mix in a good accelerant (say 40 to 60% KNO3) you will come up with something that behaves similar to Nitro Cellulose Lacquer. That way your pyrogen contains both a Fuel and an accelerant. Add the Hot wire from the ESTES igniter ad you have a winning combination.

    Of course there are easier options.
    Now for a short commercial break …………...
    See: www.QuickBurst.net any of the pyrogen kits will work great as an ESTES Igniter enhancement. I personally would recommend the H-3 Compound. With a bottle of that you can enhance many hundreds of ESTES igniters. Keep the sealed H-3 Compound jar in a Mason Jar to extend freshness, or add a shot of acetone monthly. If it dries out cover the H-3 with acetone and it will be useable the next day.

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    Dissolved Ping Pong balls are commonly believed to be Nitro Cellulose. This is not usually the case. Most Ping Pong Balls are made from celluloid plastic. If you mix in a good accelerant (say 40 to 60% KNO3) you will come up with something that behaves similar to Nitro Cellulose Lacquer. That way your pyrogen contains both a Fuel and an accelerant. Add the Hot wire from the ESTES igniter ad you have a winning combination.

    Of course there are easier options.
    Now for a short commercial break …………...
    See: www.QuickBurst.net any of the pyrogen kits will work great as an ESTES Igniter enhancement. I personally would recommend the H-3 Compound. With a bottle of that you can enhance many hundreds of ESTES igniters. Keep the sealed H-3 Compound jar in a Mason Jar to extend freshness, or add a shot of acetone monthly. If it dries out cover the H-3 with acetone and it will be useable the next day.

    QuickBurst
     
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    USING it should be fine, but GRINDING it would make me very, very nervous, as with almost any pyrotechnic mixture. Most such mixtures are friction sensitive to a greater or lesser degree.
     
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    Dissolved Ping Pong balls are commonly believed to be Nitro Cellulose. This is not usually the case. Most Ping Pong Balls are made from celluloid plastic. If you mix in a good accelerant (say 40 to 60% KNO3) you will come up with something that behaves similar to Nitro Cellulose Lacquer. That way your pyrogen contains both a Fuel and an accelerant. Add the Hot wire from the ESTES igniter ad you have a winning combination.

    Of course there are easier options.
    Now for a short commercial break …………...
    See: www.QuickBurst.net any of the pyrogen kits will work great as an ESTES Igniter enhancement. I personally would recommend the H-3 Compound. With a bottle of that you can enhance many hundreds of ESTES igniters. Keep the sealed H-3 Compound jar in a Mason Jar to extend freshness, or add a shot of acetone monthly. If it dries out cover the H-3 with acetone and it will be useable the next day.

    QuickBurst
     
  8. Nov 7, 2019 #38

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    I was thinking about moistening it, either with denatured alcohol, acetone, or distilled water, and then using a mortar & pestle to finely grind it, in very small quantities.
     
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    I would not attempt to grind them up. You might get an unexpected flash and that would be bad. A better option is to stop by a fireworks store and pickup a bag of the M80/M100's that have the plastic end caps. Pop the end cap off and you have enough powder from one of those things to do 50 igniters. Best part is you still have the rest of the bag of M80's to blow stuff up with :)

    https://fireworks.com/products/ground-non-aerial/firecrackers/jumbo-silver-salute-cracker-1-box
     
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    M80s are illegal in many states.
     
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    Those are the FAKE "M-80's" . . . This is a REAL M-80 :

     
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    Yes, we have that little problem here in IL. fortunately WI and IN. are a short drive.

    Knock off M80 or not, they're full of the power you need cheaply
     
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    Real M80s are illegal, period. Federal law since the 1960s, I think.

    FWIW the contents of firecrackers labeled M-90, M-1000, etc. are the same as what's in the little inch-and-a-half firecrackers...and they're still limited to 50 mg of flash powder each (though there may be other inert ingredients in there, I dunno). If an "M1000" has a louder bang than an ordinary firecracker, it's likely from stronger confinement. (Or the manufacturer may be pushing their luck by putting more flash powder in each one.)

    One could get a few grams of BP by opening up a BP motor and removing the clay nozzle and the delay charge. Wetting the chunk of BP should result in a usable paste.
     
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    I opened up a 1/2A 10 0 got the powder out of it, crushed and ground it into a powder.

    Dip the estes igniter in some Fabri-Tac then dip it in the powder. Let it dry and did a second dip.

    Flares up very nicely! Should work perfect for LP A to maybe F ?
     
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    After a little research, I found the "specs" for the flash powder charge for various devices . . . For "historical" reference.

    M80 DATA and INFO

    M-80: 5 grams
    M-160: 10 grams
    Quarter Stick: 30-35 grams
    Half Stick: 60-70 grams
    Full Stick: 120-140 grams
     
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    Chris’s Rocketry Supplies sells 4f in one pound cans. If you’re already ordering motors you may be able to pay one hazmat. That’s enough to fly a ton of flights.
     
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    Steve,

    Where is that on the website ? I just signed in and don't see any reference to BP, at all.

    Dave F.
     
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    From what I remember of the fireworks I used to buy in Tijuana as a kid, this sounds about right. The bigger ones were definitely bigger, not the same thing more tightly confined.
     
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    And IIRC, the smaller ones were smaller ....

    :p:D
     
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    No, that is also a fake M80, That is a pyro pop, REAL M80's have the fuse coming out of one end not the side. The fuze in the side weakens the casing and therefore are not as powerful.
     
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    But what about the medium sized ones???
     
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    You can't use a Mason jar, the solvent will attack the seal. (I know this from direct experience.) The best containers are 100% polyethylene. The left one I got from hobby lobby, it had a squirt top replaced lid with one from an epoxy bottle. The middle one is igniter dip in a plactic film can, does not seal that well and dries out have to keep wetting it. The pill bottle is the best, it stays sealed a long time, It is my MEK supply for cleaning paint brushes...

    BTW: Does anyone else have problems with this site bouncing all over when typing...the over abundance of ads is very annoying, causing the screen to jump to the bottom in mid sentence...


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    I yield to your expertise . . .

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    Definitely mediumer.
     
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    Norton Internet Security reports Powder, Inc. as a malicious site. I would steer clear....
     
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