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demarcao

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Anyone notice that Shrox has removed the rocket links from his website?

There was talk a while back of him teaming with a vendor to produce all his kits,, Did I miss something?

- Alex
 

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Shrox did team up with Estes on his designs. Unfortunately, Estes won't be releasing the kits. I believe the quote from Estes is that that they were too unstable.
 

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Shrox did team up with Estes on his designs. Unfortunately, Estes won't be releasing the kits. I believe the quote from Estes is that that they were too unstable.
They are not unstable. Estes just didn't want to carry though with it. I think the LexxJet is proof my designs are stable when built properly.
 

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They are not unstable. Estes just didn't want to carry though with it. I think the LexxJet is proof my designs are stable when built properly.
Oh, I'm in full agreement with you concerning stability. Notice I stated that "the quote from Estes . . ." ;)

I have my own personal ideas of why they weren't released. In my business we do it all the time . . .
 

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Oh, I'm in full agreement with you concerning stability. Notice I stated that "the quote from Estes . . ." ;)

I have my own personal ideas of why they weren't released. In my business we do it all the time . . .

As we learned in our "BQMS" training, never try to retype something and call it a quote since it can easily mutate if one or more words is altered.

Simply point to the original source and avoid any possibility of changing the meaning.

http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/showpost.php?p=68830&postcount=14

Plus, when you make a copy of something - even if it is accurate at the time - when the original is updated your copy will live on in the older now-incorrect version.

That is why I try to provide links to people to answer questions instead of simply retyping the information. I have no desire to take credit for the massive amount of info already out on the web and would rather send folks to the soource of the info. other examples would be things like the NAR Model Rocket Safety Code or motor test data. The link to those will live on and when you click over there you will get the latest version. If you copy/save it you will have a possibly outdated version and you amy not even be aware of that.

At work, the prime example of this would be engineering drawings. We use the online database to view the latest released version. If we print a copy, it is immediately uncontrolled and could become outdated at any second.
 

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As we learned in our "BQMS" training, never try to retype something and call it a quote since it can easily mutate if one or more words is altered.

Simply point to the original source and avoid any possibility of changing the meaning.

http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/showpost.php?p=68830&postcount=14

Plus, when you make a copy of something - even if it is accurate at the time - when the original is updated your copy will live on in the older now-incorrect version.

That is why I try to provide links to people to answer questions instead of simply retyping the information. I have no desire to take credit for the massive amount of info already out on the web and would rather send folks to the soource of the info. other examples would be things like the NAR Model Rocket Safety Code or motor test data. The link to those will live on and when you click over there you will get the latest version. If you copy/save it you will have a possibly outdated version and you amy not even be aware of that.

At work, the prime example of this would be engineering drawings. We use the online database to view the latest released version. If we print a copy, it is immediately uncontrolled and could become outdated at any second.
Regardless, my designs are not unstable if built properly, mainly by following the instructions and using the provided materials. Of course, there are rare instances where something may have been omitted or lost, but that happens even on cars.
 

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I personally found it interesting that Estes stated they didn't want people to have to add nose weight, when up until recently that's how they got many of their designs to fly themselves.

I guess after the SS1, they gave up eh?
 

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I personally found it interesting that Estes stated they didn't want people to have to add nose weight, when up until recently that's how they got many of their designs to fly themselves.

I guess after the SS1, they gave up eh?

Bullpup

Navy/Stingray

Army/Banshee

SS1

etc.
 

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Hiflyer
Super Neon
Renegade 2-stage.....

We could go on all day!

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Hiflyer
Super Neon
Renegade 2-stage.....

We could go on all day!

:(
I know I've seen the HiFlyer unstable without clay, but have they started including clay in the kit?

I'm unfamiliar with the same issue with the Super Neon.

The 2-stage Renegade is not unstable, but it is underpowered in boost and the booster stage recover is semi-stable (a spiral dive with the pointy nose cones embedding themselves in whatever happens to be at the landing point).
 

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Super Neon comes with clay, 4 pats IIRC. I do not know if they've started including clay with the HiFlyer.
 

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Super Neon comes with clay, 4 pats IIRC. I do not know if they've started including clay with the HiFlyer.
OK. My list was of models introduced with no clay or way too little clay that they then had to add or increase the clay on once the reports of regular and properly constructed production models flying unstable started to filter back to Penrose.

Is it correct that the Super Neon had the clay all along and never exhibited stability problems?
 

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Ooooo... now that I don't know. :( It's possible that it always had clay. But that would still be an unstable design augmented with ballast. Not that there's anything particularly wrong with that... People fly ballasted rockets all the time.

There was a discussion last year before the database crash where folks were reporting buying Super Neons with too little clay (only 2 pats).
 

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So when did Estes get away from poopy-clay then? Timing with the Shrox kits is interesting . . .
 

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I dunno... is that a color reference or a consistency reference? Looks pretty poopy.

Oh, I get it. You're talking nozzle clay in the RMR thread.
 
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Something just might be brewing...like a Phoenix rises from the ashes. But you didn't hear that from me...Oh, I guess you did.
 

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My super neon (2008 version) didn't have clay and it flies fine on a C6. The fins on the tube fins would increase the stability margin anyway (compared to a plain old tube fin rocket).
 

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Regardless, my designs are not unstable if built properly, mainly by following the instructions and using the provided materials.

I have many Shrockets - none have ever been unstable
I do hope some day, some way, more Shrockets become available - I love them!

TRF 005.jpg


TRF.jpg


SPACE DAY 023.jpg


Rockets April 2005 005.jpg
 

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Super Neon comes with clay, 4 pats IIRC. I do not know if they've started including clay with the HiFlyer.
What the heck do they need with clay on a tube fin design for? Sounds really dumb. Must have gotten lazy there.
 

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Tease...

:pop:
Cheap marketing...

Just to clarify, I don't know who, what or how, but I do intend to get some designs out of the dark somehow.

Shrox
 
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I have many Shrockets - none have ever been unstable
I do hope some day, some way, more Shrockets become available - I love them!
Hey, cool! That's the first built Hyperion (other than mine) that I've ever seen!

-Kevin
 

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Just to clarify, I don't know who, what or how, but I do intend to get some designs out of the dark somehow.
I sure hope so! You've got some very creative designs!

-Kevin
 

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