Saturn 1B kits that don't break the bank

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  1. Aug 25, 2018 #1

    byoungblood

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    I just finished my Estes 2157 Saturn V, and am now looking to move to the 1B. Outside of paying the vultures on eBay a stupid amount of money for an OOP kit, what are my options? I can't seem to find anything but the Apogee kit currently available, but I'd like to stay with something that can be launched on 24mm motors if I can.
     
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    eRockets have the instructions for $1.99.
    I'm sure most of the parts are available from them.
    If you Email Randy he might put a kit together for you.
    Upgrade parts are also available from various suppliers.
     
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    What is your budget? For about $100 you can clone the 1/70 Semroc Saturn 1-B (less small parts like screw eyes, launch lugs, etc.). Download the instruction/parts list from the old Semroc website here:

    http://www.semroc.com/Documents/pdf/Saturn 1B.pdf

    You can also clone the 1/70 Estes Saturn 1-B which uses mostly the same parts as the Semroc kit, plans are here:

    http://www.spacemodeling.org/jimz/estes/k-29.pdf

    I checked erockets, they have most of the parts but some are down to 2 or 3 in stock. No one I know of has the BT-63 tube, but I read somewhere that a paper towel tube is the exact same diameter. It worked on my clone. For a 24mm mount just sub a 50-101 CR instead of the 4x18mm motors.

    If you want to save a few bucks you can use generic corrugated wraps from Apogee and home print your own decals from the Estes plans. If I'm not mistaken erockets was selling the Semroc kit for around $100 before it went OOP, then it went on clearance for around $90+.

    Jerry Irvine bought a bunch of kits from erockets and is selling them for $130 over on YORF, if you're so inclined. He says he has about a year's supply.

    Here's a picture of my clone. Base coated, need to paint the black and finish the decals. Will be ready by next year's anniversary celebration.
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    If your looking for a Saturn 1b at the same scale as the Saturn V, Boyce Aerospace has a very detailed 3D printed 1b in either 1/125th or 1/100th scale. http://boyceaerospacehobbies.com/?page_id=262

    I am amazed at how detailed the 1/100th version is, and the assembly will be way easier than Estes Saturn V!
     
  6. Aug 28, 2018 #6

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    Yeah, I'd like to keep it under $100. Someone in my local club suggested the Boyce Aerospace one, but I'd like to see a finished product before laying down the money on an all 3D printed model .
     
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    Hang tight and see what Estes does over the next few months. Some of the folks who participated in the NARAM tours there heard reports of an imminent Saturn 1B re-release, probably of the 1/100 scale kit.

    EDIT: found this comment on Chris Michielssen's excellent blog site recapping the Estes tour: "John Boren has a BIG office with many models and some prototypes in development. Mr. Boren said to peek in the door to see what's coming from Estes. I did see a Mercury Atlas, the 1/100th scale Saturn 1B and an upscale Goblin, like the Mega Red Max. Ellis Langford did say the Saturn 1B is being developed for a re-release."

    Direct link: https://modelrocketbuilding.blogspot.com/2018/08/naram-60-monday-august-6-estes-tour-and.html

    James
     
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    May just hold off for that then. I've got a lot in my build pile right now so it isn't a rush. Thanks for posting that.
     
  9. Aug 29, 2018 #9

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    I always liked the Zooch 1b....but I am not sure if you can find any of them. Perhaps erockets will put that Zooch kit back into production. It stands about 17.5" tall and with a little patience you can make a pretty nice 1b. Certainly not the same size as the Estes or Semroc kits.
     
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    Although I do have a Semroc 1B and a Sheri's Hot Rockets 1B in my build pile, I do second the Dr Zooch 1B for a quick build. Definitely requires building skills, very fun, and preps you for the other kits.
     
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    This got me excited, I emailed Estes to ask and they said only the Saturn v for 2019?
     
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    I have an unopen sealed in the box Dr. Zooch Saturn 1B Skylab for $40.00 plus $8.00 shipping. You can pay me through PayPal. If interested PM me. 46831087_2868817633144417_329327908889821184_n.jpg 46742230_2868817806477733_6185073164771393536_o.jpg
     
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    I'm working on three Saturn 1Bs: a 1:282 Fliskits mini engine powered, a Dr. Zooch ant scale, and a 1:100 Estes Saturn 1B clone. Thread is here:
    http://www.forums.rocketshoppe.com/showthread.php?t=17579
    Doing tower work on the smallest one, and the going is slow. And tedious. But learning a lot of new techniques.
     
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    This Item Has SOLD.
     
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    Something a little different: http://papermodelingman.com
    http://papermodelingman.com/tonsaturn1b/

    Ton Noteboom's Saturn 1B is 1/96 scale. Paper models are a lot more work than most kit models we're used to. And to make it flyable would require internal reinforcement: rings, struts, additional thicknesses of cardstock, etc. But the download is free, and the cost is mostly 60 lb cardstock.

    Or get some 11x17 cardstock (if your printer will handle it), scale up the .PDFs, and make a 1/48 scale model...

    Best -- Terry
     
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    I checked out your pictures...looks great so far!! Great kits! patience...and a great set of tweezers are your friend with the flis kits 1b!


     
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    Peter Alway's "Art of Scale Model Rocketry" has an excellent plan for a 1/130 Saturn I block 2 . You do have to turn your own adapter and nose cone for it. But if I can do it anyone can! Furthermore if you replace the bt60 used for the S4, with a 2.04" dia st-20, you have the s4b. Then you use paper for the LM adapter and you only need to turn your own command module. I've got one under way in fact and some day I'll finish it.
     
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    Saturn IB in 1/70, 1/72, 1/96 and 1/100 scale.
    Limited Time Offer to Forum Readers

    I just came off a project to build several 1/70 scale AS-205 Saturns for the 50th Anniversary of Apollo 7 and I am now in sort of a "recovery mode" to make back my investment of time, $$$, lost sleep, etc., in the project. I'll have to admit I am not talking budget sport scale or sort-of-scale but fairly high end accurate competition quality stuff. Depending on response, this offer may last 3 days or 3 weeks (or less...or more). So here goes!

    First off, everything I will be talking about here is available to forum readers at 60% of the list (not "sale") price I have them listed on eBay (go to eBay and search for "Accur8") and make an offer for 50% of the list price. Be sure to send a note with your offer that you read about the item on The Rocketry Forum. Or, if you want to order from me direct I will sell at 50% of the list price. Just make a list of what you want, drop me a note (at the end of this post) again noting your saw the offer on The Rocketry Forum, and I will send you a PayPal invoice for 50% of this eBay list price. Each item will be made on your order.

    I'm talking about high resolution 3D UV Laser SLA resin parts and not the low resolution thermal filament (FDM). They take a while to print and are expensive...but in the end you end up with more accurate and finer looking parts that you would spend on manually making the parts.

    I can produce all the parts in 1/70, 1/72, 1/96 and 1/100 scale. If you want other than 1/70 or 1/72 scale (the items listed on eBay) make up your shopping list for the scale you would like and I will reply with pricing.

    The 3D parts I have available now (more coming):

    True Scale fins with support/hold down-set of eight and detailed skins to cover the fins
    Aft First Stage Skirt--fits shortened BT-101 tube (for 1/70 scale) or styrene tube rolled from .02" styrene sheet (super easy and cheap). Has accurate corrugations in the proper count.
    H-1 Engine set with flame skirts around outboard engines and detailed firewall template/Skin. You can get the set with either "display" center engines (remove for flight) or with a 1" center pass-through to accommodate 24mm engine tubes.
    First Stage Thrust Structure Fairing--that "scalloped thing" around the eight propellant tanks
    Combined Interstage/S-IVB Aft Skirt--The "3D Centerpiece" with all the scale stringers (proper count), hatches, ullage rockets, APS pods, feed line fairings, umbilical panels and more printed in one piece. Fits the BT-100 tube (for 1/70) or styrene tube rolled from .02" styrene sheet (super easy and cheap).
    Combined Fore S-IVB skirt and Instrument Unit--The "topper" for the Saturn IB booster with all the antennas (SA-205/Apollo 7 specific), umbilical panels, stringers (proper count) and more. Shoulder at rear fits BT-100 (1/70 scale) or styrene tube rolled from .02 styrene. Tapered shoulder at from for tapered SLA adapter
    SLA Adapter Kit--Heavy glossy card replacement that has accurate printed surface details for the Apollo 7 mission as well as a set of the 16 more significant small fairings and covers printed in 3D located around the horizontal separation plane of the SLA
    End to End Skin Kit--contains skins for first stage thrust structure tube, eight fuel tank skins (specific to Apollo 7), S-IVB tank skin, Service Module skin in addition to the fin skins included with the 3D fins, Instrument unit skin, and H-1 firewall skin included with the H-1 engines.

    Of course these parts can be used with the Semroc or Apogee Saturns. However, it is easy to scratch build using these parts. I am developing a set of written instructions for the basic scratch building of your Saturn IB in all of the four scales listed above. The original Saturn IB project was for total scratch built 1/72 and it is quite easy to build in that scale with eight BT-50 tubes (almost exact 1/72 scale) for the eight tanks. It's also very easy to create the large tail tube and S-IVB tank tube from styrene sheet.

    The Saturn IB would be easier to scratch build in 1/96 scale than 1/100 because the eight tank tubes of the first stage are almost precisely BT-20 size. You would have to fabricate/locate slightly smaller diameter tubes for 1/100 scale. There is no need to fabricate the short thrust structure tube because in the 1/96 and 1/100 scales I have integrated the 3D tube into the Thrust Structure Fairing. Whether you opt for 1/100 or 1/96 scale you get the exact accurate detailing of the larger 1/100 and 1/96 items. You will end up with a "smaller" Saturn IB creation that rivals any similarly sized (or larger) Saturn IB model that you can buy anywhere.

    If you have any questions, comments, or...whatever, feel free to write me at johnpursley@accur8.com.
    You can also see the 1/70 and 1/70 scale items in my eBay Store.

    John Pursley
     
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